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1.GB states that she didn't send "her" puppies to a pet shop.

2. It seems some are obsessed with Karen Nobody is obsessed with Karen and you. Don't give yourselves that much credit. But it seems that you and Karen are obsessed and intent on tearing this breeder down.


1. So it's okay that she sends other breeders dogs to a petstore, possible brokering?

2. It appears Karen isn't obsessed, after all she's enjoying her Thanksgiving holiday and we're the ones posting about it.

From what I understand, she does work (probably volunteer) investigating pet stores regarding them buying from puppymills. She does not research Glenda Beavers, but her name did appear and she saw another thread about her that was closed so I guess she thought she'd post what she discovered here. She also said she finds out alot by googling the breeders which is probably how she got here.

Forgive the pun, but I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not friends with either of them. Actually thought well of Glenda. If anyone really wants to prove Karen to be a liar(and I don't think she is), call the Department of Agriculture Animal Control Division in Hartford Connecticut on Monday morning. Or better yet if anyone is near, go by there. Other than that, I don't see this going anywhere.

Maybe we should include the vets that sign such certificates. Where's the ethics? Don't they do research, and want to make sure pups get a good home? The answer, likely right or wrong is they're just doing their job, and someone has to do it. Where do you draw the line? Ree - I'm not looking for you to defend your comment. I'm just making an observation that your comment brought to mind.

Inez3185
 

Everyone has a right to their own opinions. As I said, I've seen proof, too bad you choose to ignore the "truth". That's your opinion though. If you like her, go ahead and buy from her, no one is stopping you!

Here's mine, opinion that is. I did research before on GB before this thread, and my opinion has not been changed at all. I'm currently discussing the purchase of a pup with her.

All the OP's post did, as far as I'm concerned, was create disharmony in the wonderful YT community. I think she is legitimate, but I don't know what's behind her post. Is she a true YT member. I doubt it. After this thread she'll likely be done with YT. Some forums screen before potential members can join. If this was the case with YT, and the OP stated her purpose, we may never have had this controversy. Bottom line - no one is the winner.

Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics.

Let's hope I've had the final word. It's never happened, but there's always a first time :).

I do not understand why you would want this thread to be locked. :confused: I also do not think that YT should be "private" just to keep breeders, that are in the wrong, safe from the truth being told. You said, "no one is a winner"....I like to think that maybe YT (seeing that it is an open forum) has educated some potential buyers. Obviously, you are sticking to your guns and still plan to buy from her and that is completely your choice. But I bet there are plenty of people out there that have a new found perspective.

Tammy

Why are posts being deleted? 2 pages of posts are gone. never mind, I see.

They were not deleted. I split the post into 2 threads. The original thread (first 3 pages) was about "Celtic/Puppies by Marie" - which is now a separate thread.

The Glenda Beavers posts started on page 3 of the original thread - those are now Page 1 of this thread.

It's getting very repetitive. No new facts have been presented, just opinion.

"Moderator: Time to lock this thread so we can move on to productive YT topics."

I think this is a productive topic. It involves a good breeder with a good reputation involved with shipping pups (Whether hers or not) to a pet store. Shipping not once but multiple times. I think that it's educational to know your breeder both good and bad. I will agree that at this time it's really just become a debate over who is right and wrong and is becoming non-productive. I would be interested in seeing where these pups orginated from /who they originated from. Unfortunaetly the only way to actually know this is to see their AKC papers. I do not feel that Glenda should be assumed guilty but as a person in the public eye it would be advantagous for her to she came on and atleast try to clear it up. Coming on and saying "I did a favor for a friend" is not clearing it up. That friend would have had to breed multiple breeds in which she shipped for him / her multiple times (or) she's shipped for multiple breeders? I would be interested to atleast here what breeder/s she shipped for and why they did not ship their own pups?

If you read the FAQ on Puppy Love's site it states that ALL their breeders are licensed and inspected which means they are USDA Licensed as ALL persons legally have to be in order to sell to a pet store. Small time home breeders are not USDA Licensed. Large Kennels are. The reason is they sell in volume enabling to sell cheap which enables the pet store to make a profit.

FAQ on Puppy Love's site also states they come in after the age of eight weeks. Well, that's because Legally they cannot take them any earlier. This is the minimum age a pet store is allowed to sell a pup.

FAQ we generally sell between 65 - 110 puppies per month (and many more over the holidays). We price them according to cost and age of the puppy, as well as the availability of the breed.

And you really believe these dogs come from upstanding breeders?

:confused: What "new" facts do you want....more health certificates of dogs that Glenda has shipped to pet stores? I agree with you and how this thread is kind of over...it ended when Glenda, herself, admitted to shipping puppies to a pet store. :thumbdown

Tammy

Good Post Tammy.

You misunderstood, or I did not communicate properly. We're rehashing the same fact over and over. You just repeated the fact again. I/we get it.

After seeing the facts, I can say that my opinion has changed. I would never purchase from a breeder whose ethics believe it is okay to send anyones dogs to a pet store.

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Very Good Post. Thanks for making the main point very clear. Elaine

Are all pet stores that sell pups bad?

How about vets that sign certificates for shipment of pups to a pet store? Are they ethical or excused because they are just doing their job?

Putting the piceces together...

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels
I think Glenda was decived by this person Nancy Silverman - owner of two places a show kennel and a pet shop. The web site states - they (Nancy and Sean) show their dogs. By looking at the the front page they look very nice. When into the site they have more breeds than I would like - but it is not uncommon for some show people to have several breeds. This is what Glenda probably knew them as - show people with a kennel. No more, no less.
I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later (after shipping the pups) - she was very shocked and surprised. As far as she knew she was a show exhibitor with a kennel and needed pups from another breeder in her area shipped to her.

As far as transporting dogs as a favor - I have brought back a dog from my handler to its owner. I have also had a friend pick up my girl from my handler and bring her to me, since she was dropping hers off to the handler.

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner. This is just what we write. Things are happening so fast and we were normally busy - we would just write the name down. So I can see how the vet clinic would have wrote Glenda's name as the owner when she was not. The tech is always responsible for filling out the paperwork at my vets office and then the vet just signs it.

As far as the pet shop name being on the cert. - that can be whited out and changed to say the pet shops name and then rewrote - it is not hard to copy someone's signature. You make a copy of the changed document and then you have a new original with names switched.

I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived. Glenda is not one to lie - reason why - she just stated the truth and really trusted this Nancy person. A mistake was made and she got trapped into it. I am sure she has learned a very valuable lesson. There are many people out there that believe people for what they say and I am sure she believed this Nancy.
End of story.

Also - people should not get so mad at a person (breeder) when a breeder reduces their amount for a puppy. She may have had the boy awhile and needed to sell him and when a good home came calling she decided to reduce the price. This is not uncommon to happen. The boy may have been growing larger than expected, she may have had to go on a trip and needed to have all puppies find new homes, she may have been sick at the time, whatever ... and when this person called and seemed like she would have given this pup a good - Glenda decided to reduce the price. So do not get mad a Glenda for this and cause more problems - making this more than it is and jumping to conclusions. It is better to search for the whole truth.

Good Advice: One will hear a lot in the show world and you must learn to not trust all you hear and even question the other half you think may be true. There are always two sides to a story as well. If anything had been up wrong with Glenda - it would have been said years ago in the show world and there was nothing.

Reason - I came back on was that I do not like someone pulled through the mud, nailed up and crucified without knowing the full truth about them. It seems like we only have pieces and people were making assumptions - and you know what happens when someone assumes!! Sad to say but true - the Truth is less exciting!

As much as it's preached against on YorkieTalk, I think we do know that pet stores that sell pups are bad. Just to start, the first one with money gets the dog. No screening of potential homes and choosing. It's a well known fact that they get their dogs from USDA commercial, mass producing "puppy mills".


One article of many...
Pet Stores And Puppy Mills by Matthew Margolis on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

excerp: Statistics reveal that as many as 98 percent of pet-store pups come from puppy mills or "brokers" acting as middlemen. Pet stores, in turn, slap an exorbitant price tag on these dogs. After all, they're pedigreed.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I like the way you present new facts, and reason, as opposed to strong emotion, to the discussion.

I'm sorry, I don't see any facts. Opinion sure, but not facts.

I think Glenda was deceived...This is what Glenda probably knew them as... I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later..I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived...

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels ---

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner.

Take the facts for what you will, they are new information.

Sorry, Captiva Kennels is not new information. Only to those that hadn't thought to look at PuppyLoves website. As a breeder, if I were to ship a dog for someone, I'd be sure that the owner's name is used, most people would. These are important records for a breeding program. You want to keep these accurate and a copy on hand in case there is some sort of conflict about whether or not a health certificate was issued.

Sure it is. It hadn't previously been mentioned in this thread.

Please, no more comments on my comments:), I want to focus on buying a Yorkie.

Thank you for YOUR permission. Wow, don't be so catty:p

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Sorry Susan - but I was trying to look at it through what GB had to check out Nancy at first - When I do a search for Nancy Silverman and CT - (probably what Glenda did) I do not get Puppy Love at All - nothing coming up in any of the search this way. This make reason why GB did not know about it till way later.

But GB did know where she was shipping to Puppy Land and it is a puppymill which she did admit. Why if she should would never send her own dogs there because puppymills are bad then y would she send someone elses dogs there. I think she would have never did that numerous times if she was worried about her reputation because doing that makes you look bad. I have also contacted glenda about a puppy before but then bought else where instead so i have nothing against her to be writing this. Why are the only people sticking up for her people who have bought dogs from her. I mean its hard to take in it is shocking. Before today i would have contacted her again about available puppies. I love her babies and her website. I would never have thought this but she did admit she ships to puppy mills she didnt state just one time she said from time to time she does this. Its still wrong either way.

[quote=topknot;2354614]Glenda said in her post here that she is friends with PuppyLove and ships to them from time to time as a friend but doesnt ship her own dogs.

[quote=topknot;2354614]I understand what you're saying. There's always two sides to the story. I'd love to hear a thorough explanation from her. But she doesn't owe me one per se. I don't want to see a breeder bashed unjustly. However, the health certificates are written to Puppy Love. I know you mentioned the possibility of that part being forged, but then why would someone white out and write in that particular pet store? It could've been any store in America, but it just happens to be a petstore owned by people she eventually admits to dealing with.

At first - she did not know they were being shipped to Puppy Love!! She learned this later. She, as far as she knew, was shipping them to a friend that had a kennel. She did not know about Puppy Love being involved or that they would end up there at the time she shipped!!!! She admitted here that she did ship to Puppy Love, because several days ago - she knew this was the truth, but not at the time when she shipped. Do you understand what I wrote? I hope it makes sense. That took a lot of guts to be truthful to us. She could have lied or tried to cover it up.