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TLC 11-30-2008 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2355108)
This will be my last post on this thread because I really think that Glenda said it all in her own written words. However, if you really sit back, reread each and every post (with a clear mind....not defensive), you will see just how incredibly sad this is. The breeders that have stood up for Glenda and the fact that she shipped precious puppies to a pet store are yet to even seem slightly sad and/or bothered by this! :( :thumbdown You would rather defend another show breeder's reputation than take a stand for those innocent babies!! Not that it matters, but this has brought tears to my eyes and I am bothered by those of you that have justified Glenda Beaver's actions. She is the human that made the decision to scoop up all of those little babies, place them in kennels, take them to the airport and send them on their way to a PETSTORE. Those of you that have "dedicated" yourselves to this breed (like you say), how can you not even address this...how can you possibly ignore the feelings of these puppies?!

I don't get it!!

Tammy
Thank you for posting this...It too blows my mind how it is OK to ship any pup off to a Pet Store...INCREDIABLE how THIS is NOT an ISSUE :mad: What an eye opener to see REAL VALUES :thumbdown

CGP 11-30-2008 07:31 PM
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JMuedog 11-30-2008 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2355108)
This will be my last post on this thread because I really think that Glenda said it all in her own written words. However, if you really sit back, reread each and every post (with a clear mind....not defensive), you will see just how incredibly sad this is. The breeders that have stood up for Glenda and the fact that she shipped precious puppies to a pet store are yet to even seem slightly sad and/or bothered by this! :( :thumbdown You would rather defend another show breeder's reputation than take a stand for those innocent babies!! Not that it matters, but this has brought tears to my eyes and I am bothered by those of you that have justified Glenda Beaver's actions. She is the human that made the decision to scoop up all of those little babies, place them in kennels, take them to the airport and send them on their way to a PETSTORE. Those of you that have "dedicated" yourselves to this breed (like you say), how can you not even address this...how can you possibly ignore the feelings of these puppies?!

I don't get it!!

Tammy




:thumbup::thumbup::bravo:

Txgurl06 11-30-2008 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyjm (Post 2355108)
this will be my last post on this thread because i really think that glenda said it all in her own written words. However, if you really sit back, reread each and every post (with a clear mind....not defensive), you will see just how incredibly sad this is. The breeders that have stood up for glenda and the fact that she shipped precious puppies to a pet store are yet to even seem slightly sad and/or bothered by this! :( :thumbdown you would rather defend another show breeder's reputation than take a stand for those innocent babies!! Not that it matters, but this has brought tears to my eyes and i am bothered by those of you that have justified glenda beaver's actions. She is the human that made the decision to scoop up all of those little babies, place them in kennels, take them to the airport and send them on their way to a petstore. Those of you that have "dedicated" yourselves to this breed (like you say), how can you not even address this...how can you possibly ignore the feelings of these puppies?!

I don't get it!!

Tammy


well said thanks so much!

Txgurl06 11-30-2008 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2355434)
Thank you for posting this...It too blows my mind how it is OK to ship any pup off to a Pet Store...INCREDIABLE how THIS is NOT an ISSUE :mad: What an eye opener to see REAL VALUES :thumbdown
Im glad im not the only one seeing this. This should be a huge eye opener to everyone. The health certificates werent enough proof andGlenda Beavers admitting it isnt enough truth, nothing will ever make them believe this so its pointless.

jrsygal37 11-30-2008 08:51 PM
A little off topic but I googled the Silverman's and came up with "An Act Concerning Animals Bill." The Silverman's as well as their vet/s were listed as those that opposed the bill. Seemed like a good bill too (This bill is a combination of Rep. Fahrbach’s bill (HB 5010) that would ban pet shops from selling puppies less than a year old, and Reps. Fontana and Urban’s bill (HB 6413) banning the use of elephants in traveling shows and circuses. In both situations, constituents asked their legislators to propose the bills."

AN ACT CONCERNING ANIMALS.

Also I'm a little slow but from what I gather the Silverman's own Puppy Love and they also have a kennel? So are they selling their own dogs at the pet store too? I see they breed red poodles, Maltese, Yorkies and I think another breed as well.

Elaine


jencar98 12-01-2008 06:16 AM
Thank you KarenAnn for exposing Glenda for what she truly is. And, I apologize for the posts of some here that just want to "shoot the messenger". I've defended and recommended GB in the past as I had heard nothing negative about her. The documents prove what she has done and it's not a "one-time only mistake" as someone earlier suggested.

Also, thank you to the other posters (Ree, Elaine, Txgurl06, tammyjm) that have condemned GB for selling these babies to petstores, even though you've been ridiculed for your posts. There will always be some that refuse to acknowledge the truth because the truth is ugly and it hurts.

It's a crying shame that money is more important to GB than the dogs :thumbdown

bildio 12-01-2008 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2355744)
It's a crying shame that money is more important to GB than the dogs :thumbdown
It was not confirmed that GB sold the pups, only that she shipped the pups.

TammyJM 12-01-2008 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2355753)
It was not confirmed that GB sold the pups, only that she shipped the pups.
*Shaking head in disbelief* :rolleyes:

jencar98 12-01-2008 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2355753)
It was not confirmed that GB sold the pups, only that she shipped the pups.
Give me a break :rolleyes: you really are splitting hairs with that one.

What, it's okay to ship numerous young puppies off to a petstore if you don't make money off of them!?!?

And, I don't for one second believe that she didn't make money off of these shipments. I don't care how good a friend you are to me, I wouldn't ship anything (especially live animals) off that many times and do it just as a favor!

GB knows it's unethical to sell puppies to a petstore and that it would ruin her reputation in the exhibitor world if she did so and it was found out. Do you honestly think she would take that chance if it weren't for the money?!?!

bildio 12-01-2008 06:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2355764)
*Shaking head in disbelief* :rolleyes:
Why??

Someone makes a comment that is not confirmed, and you accept it?

jrsygal37 12-01-2008 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2355753)
It was not confirmed that GB sold the pups, only that she shipped the pups.
In my opinion it makes no difference. She would not sell HER OWN pups to this pet store or any pet store, yet she'd ship other pups to that same pet store. :confused: Were her pups more worthy?

She knew it was wrong and yet still had her hand in something that was less then something a reputable breeder would take part in. For as long as she has been a breeder and as reputable as the claim is then she is well aware of the Hunte Corporation, Puppy Mills and the dealings Pet Stores have with them yet still chose to take part. As I tell my two boys. Pick your friends carefully as you are judged by those you associate with.

On a closing note, I'd still be very curious to see where these pups she shipped originated from. I would imagine if she was shipping them then she had to have knowledge of where they came from and or pick them up from their original origin, which makes it all the worse. Especially knowing that two of the eight week old Yorkies she was shipping had just had surgery.

Elaine

bildio 12-01-2008 06:42 AM
Yes, puppy mills are very bad, etc., but making such a statement, that is not confirmed, is wrong too.

jrsygal37 12-01-2008 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2355781)
Making such a statement, that is not confirmed, is still wrong too.
It was confirmed that SHE shipped the pups. It was confirmed by Glenda herself right here on YT. And, the health report confirmed that two were eight weeks old with recent hernia operations. Karen gave everyone the place to contact to get copies for themselves - since the copie/s she provided were not good enough. I really have nothing else to say on this matter. Friendship is one thing Ignorance is another. Have a good week.

Elaine

Trixter 12-01-2008 06:45 AM
The Puppy Love pet store is 20 minutes away from my house. I just came across an ad in my morning paper. loveapuppy.com or captivakennel.com will get you there.

bildio 12-01-2008 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2355787)
It was confirmed that SHE shipped the pups. It was confirmed by Glenda herself right here on YT. And, the health report confirmed that two were eight weeks old with recent hernia operations. Karen gave everyone the place to contact to get copies for themselves - since the copie/s she provided were not good enough. I really have nothing else to say on this matter. Friendship is one thing Ignorance is another. Have a good week.

Elaine
My issue is that there is no confirmation that she sold the pups. I agree that it was confirmed that she shipped the pups.

I am commenting on the perpetuation of misinformation.

jrsygal37 12-01-2008 07:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2355795)
My issue is that there is no confirmation that she sold the pups. I agree that it was confirmed that she shipped the pups. I am commenting on the perpetuation of misinformation.
I agree with you bildio, I won't comment on whether Glenda received money or not because there is no proof. I do have my own belief and opinion on that but until there is evidence to back it up I do not believe that should be discussed.

MANY including myself are passionate about issues like this but we do need to stick to the facts as they alone speak for them self. The facts are simple. 1. Glenda by her own admission shipped pups to a place she would not send her own pups to. 2. Two of the pups were eight weeks old (even though Glenda would not sell her own pups that young) And, they were shipped after recent hernia operations. So they were not only too young (By Glenda's own standard) but also shipped with recent surgeries which by any good judment would be too stressful. 3. MULTIPLE SHIPEMENTS were made by Glenda to this pet store -not just one shipment further backing up that this was not a one time lapse in judgement.

I am all for friendship here on YT but sometimes we do have to open our eyes to the fact that even those with a good repution sometimes screw up. I'll once again use the example of Stacy who had equally as good a reputation as Glenda. Where is she now?

Everything has been said and I think the best thing we can do at this point is to let it rest, unless more information arises. Going round and round about it is serving no purpose, except to cause hard feelings.

Elaine

bildio 12-01-2008 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2355838)
I agree with you bildio, I won't comment on whether Glenda received money or not because there is no proof. I do have my own belief and opinion on that but until there is evidence to back it up I do not believe that should be discussed.

MANY including myself are passionate about issues like this but we do need to stick to the facts as they alone speak for them self. The facts are simple. 1. Glenda by her own admission shipped pups to a place she would not send her own pups to. 2. Two of the pups were eight weeks old (even though Glenda would not sell her own pups that young) And, they were shipped after recent hernia operations. So they were not only too young (By Glenda's own standard) but also shipped with recent surgeries which by any good judment would be too stressful. 3. MULTIPLE SHIPEMENTS were made by Glenda to this pet store -not just one shipment further backing up that this was not a one time lapse in judgement.

I am all for friendship here on YT but sometimes we do have to open our eyes to the fact that even those with a good repution sometimes screw up. I'll once again use the example of Stacy who had equally as good a reputation as Glenda. Where is she now?

Everything has been said and I think the best thing we can do at this point is to let it rest, unless more information arises. Going round and round about it is serving no purpose, except to cause hard feelings.

Elaine
:thumbup:

adorame 12-01-2008 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2355838)
I agree with you bildio, I won't comment on whether Glenda received money or not because there is no proof. I do have my own belief and opinion on that but until there is evidence to back it up I do not believe that should be discussed.

MANY including myself are passionate about issues like this but we do need to stick to the facts as they alone speak for them self. The facts are simple. 1. Glenda by her own admission shipped pups to a place she would not send her own pups to. 2. Two of the pups were eight weeks old (even though Glenda would not sell her own pups that young) And, they were shipped after recent hernia operations. So they were not only too young (By Glenda's own standard) but also shipped with recent surgeries which by any good judment would be too stressful. 3. MULTIPLE SHIPEMENTS were made by Glenda to this pet store -not just one shipment further backing up that this was not a one time lapse in judgement.

I am all for friendship here on YT but sometimes we do have to open our eyes to the fact that even those with a good repution sometimes screw up. I'll once again use the example of Stacy who had equally as good a reputation as Glenda. Where is she now?

Everything has been said and I think the best thing we can do at this point is to let it rest, unless more information arises. Going round and round about it is serving no purpose, except to cause hard feelings.

Elaine
:thumbup: Good post!

ree 12-01-2008 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2355744)
Thank you KarenAnn for exposing Glenda for what she truly is. And, I apologize for the posts of some here that just want to "shoot the messenger". I've defended and recommended GB in the past as I had heard nothing negative about her. The documents prove what she has done and it's not a "one-time only mistake" as someone earlier suggested.

Also, thank you to the other posters (Ree, Elaine, Txgurl06, tammyjm) that have condemned GB for selling these babies to petstores, even though you've been ridiculed for your posts. There will always be some that refuse to acknowledge the truth because the truth is ugly and it hurts.

It's a crying shame that money is more important to GB than the dogs :thumbdown
Thank you for realizing in what we shared was to point out this was unethical. No matter if it was her puppies or not, what she did was wrong. That is the point that some do not want to get and what is truly being pointed out. For these other women or breeders defending her over and over again , it doesn't put them in a good light either. They are hurting themselves by saying " It was ok to do this" I feel people who see this, possibly will not think of them as maybe they once did. Years ago..way, way back, people went to the local pet shop and bought a puppy. Today's day and age, we know much more, and people who do care will look for a reputable breeder and support their hard work in what they put into their dogs.
Many breeders web sites send a message to people asking them to find a reputable breeder, do not buy in pet shops and support puppy mills. We see this message more and more. So many people are out there rescuing these poor dogs in mills, working in filth, wearing masks from the horrible stench, walking over the corpses of dogs, to save just a few at a time. This is the product of pet shops. So when we have a breeder out there who is respected and well known who is contributing to pet shops it does cause a reaction, a bad one at that. For what ever reason GB's did this, it was a bad choice on her part. Reputable is just not a word, it has a strong meaning to it which is respected. A respect you earn, and you do not earn it by sending innocent puppies to pet shops, even if it was just one, or not your dogs, a favor, which ever way you want to address it, there is no excuse for doing so.

CGP 12-01-2008 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree (Post 2355978)
Thank you for realizing in what we shared was to point out this was unethical. No matter if it was her puppies or not, what she did was wrong. That is the point that some do not want to get and what is truly being pointed out. For these other women or breeders defending her over and over again , it doesn't put them in a good light either. They are hurting themselves by saying " It was ok to do this" I feel people who see this, possibly will not think of them as maybe they once did. Years ago..way, way back, people went to the local pet shop and bought a puppy. Today's day and age, we know much more, and people who do care will look for a reputable breeder and support their hard work in what they put into their dogs.
Many breeders web sites send a message to people asking them to find a reputable breeder, do not buy in pet shops and support puppy mills. We see this message more and more. So many people are out there rescuing these poor dogs in mills, working in filth, wearing masks from the horrible stench, walking over the corpses of dogs, to save just a few at a time. This is the product of pet shops. So when we have a breeder out there who is respected and well known who is contributing to pet shops it does cause a reaction, a bad one at that. For what ever reason GB's did this, it was a bad choice on her part. Reputable is just not a word, it has a strong meaning to it which is respected. A respect you earn, and you do not earn it by sending innocent puppies to pet shops, even if it was just one, or not your dogs, a favor, which ever way you want to address it, there is no excuse for doing so.
I also agree that GB did a BAD thing and I "THANK YOU" Karenfor all your iformation and the time you spent in informing people about this....

jrsygal37 12-01-2008 10:49 AM
I am just wondering if anyone else got these "Nice" emails? The person that sent them I assume is linked to all this. The aol screen name is Sspupdaddy. Below is what I received. You know in case you are reading this which I'm sure you are. I tried to be nice and just convey the facts of which are in front of us. As I said to you in the email back. You didn't have the guts to sign your notes. I don't hide from anyone. I'm right here and my email address is easily accessible. I would however be very careful with your threats. As easy as it was to find me - it's just as easy to find you and it's obvious that you dont' know who I am or what my husband does. We work within the law:) Elaine

Email #1 - sent today at 11:54. "Carefull what you say I am not that slow. Very easy to find people who don't know the truth!!"

Email #2 - Sent today at 12.21 pm. "Don't be jealous of people who have built successful businesses just because you don't know the truth. People like you have nothing better to do than make judgements about people you don't know. Just a little curious is that what you teach your 2 boys. If you want to know at least have the guts to contact me. And by the way I will continue with my success and teach people to not to make judgements about people until they know the truth."




TammyJM 12-01-2008 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2356052)
I am just wondering if anyone else got these "Nice" emails? The person that sent them I assume is linked to all this. The aol screen name is Sspupdaddy. Below is what I received. You know in case you are reading this which I'm sure you are. I tried to be nice and just convey the facts of which are in front of us. As I said to you in the email back. You didn't have the guts to sign your notes. I don't hide from anyone. I'm right here and my email address is easily accessible. I would however be very careful with your threats. As easy as it was to find me - it's just as easy to find you and it's obvious that you dont' know who I am or what my husband does. We work within the law:) Elaine

Email #1 - sent today at 11:54. "Carefull what you say I am not that slow. Very easy to find people who don't know the truth!!"

Email #2 - Sent today at 12.21 pm. "Don't be jealous of people who have built successful businesses just because you don't know the truth. People like you have nothing better to do than make judgements about people you don't know. Just a little curious is that what you teach your 2 boys. If you want to know at least have the guts to contact me. And by the way I will continue with my success and teach people to not to make judgements about people until they know the truth."



I haven't gotten any, but my email address is not posted anywhere. I have a guess as to who wrote those to you, though....it's a complete guess just based on the writings of a particular person within this thread. :rolleyes:

Sorry you have had to deal that kind of silliness.

Tammy

ree 12-01-2008 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2356052)
I am just wondering if anyone else got these "Nice" emails? The person that sent them I assume is linked to all this. The aol screen name is Sspupdaddy. Below is what I received. You know in case you are reading this which I'm sure you are. I tried to be nice and just convey the facts of which are in front of us. As I said to you in the email back. You didn't have the guts to sign your notes. I don't hide from anyone. I'm right here and my email address is easily accessible. I would however be very careful with your threats. As easy as it was to find me - it's just as easy to find you and it's obvious that you dont' know who I am or what my husband does. We work within the law:) Elaine

Email #1 - sent today at 11:54. "Carefull what you say I am not that slow. Very easy to find people who don't know the truth!!"

Email #2 - Sent today at 12.21 pm. "Don't be jealous of people who have built successful businesses just because you don't know the truth. People like you have nothing better to do than make judgements about people you don't know. Just a little curious is that what you teach your 2 boys. If you want to know at least have the guts to contact me. And by the way I will continue with my success and teach people to not to make judgements about people until they know the truth."



Elaine
This is totally uncalled for, this person is not dealing with a full deck, thats for sure. No reason to do this. Who ever this person is, it seems like they are sticking up for "themselves" You can find out the ISP address very easily and find out who this anonymous person is who is threatening you. Don't give it too much thought, only a coward would do this.

ree 12-01-2008 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2356052)
I am just wondering if anyone else got these "Nice" emails? The person that sent them I assume is linked to all this. The aol screen name is Sspupdaddy. Below is what I received. You know in case you are reading this which I'm sure you are. I tried to be nice and just convey the facts of which are in front of us. As I said to you in the email back. You didn't have the guts to sign your notes. I don't hide from anyone. I'm right here and my email address is easily accessible. I would however be very careful with your threats. As easy as it was to find me - it's just as easy to find you and it's obvious that you dont' know who I am or what my husband does. We work within the law:) Elaine

Email #1 - sent today at 11:54. "Carefull what you say I am not that slow. Very easy to find people who don't know the truth!!"

Email #2 - Sent today at 12.21 pm. "Don't be jealous of people who have built successful businesses just because you don't know the truth. People like you have nothing better to do than make judgements about people you don't know. Just a little curious is that what you teach your 2 boys. If you want to know at least have the guts to contact me. And by the way I will continue with my success and teach people to not to make judgements about people until they know the truth."



Elaine
I put the user name on AOL web page and this is what came up. I didn't go through it yet, but here it is.

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community
Nov 18, 2008 ... Members: 39682, Threads: 151528, Posts: 2339644, Total Thread Views: 49983703. Welcome to our newest member, sspupdaddy ...

www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php - 124k - Similar pages

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php

KYBLUE 12-01-2008 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree (Post 2356092)
Elaine
I put the user name on AOL web page and this is what came up. I didn't go through it yet, but here it is.

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community
Nov 18, 2008 ... Members: 39682, Threads: 151528, Posts: 2339644, Total Thread Views: 49983703. Welcome to our newest member, sspupdaddy ...

www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php - 124k - Similar pages

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php


now that was wrong for them to send those comments whom ever it might have been:thumbdown

fourdez 12-01-2008 11:54 AM
Well, I for one would not have the slightest problem buying a dog from Glenda. If I should ever be in the market for one again, she will be one of the first breeders I call. And that's my opinion!

Ines3185lyorkie 12-01-2008 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fourdez (Post 2356139)
Well, I for one would not have the slightest problem buying a dog from Glenda. If I should ever be in the market for one again, she will be one of the first breeders I call. And that's my opinion!

I am in the middle of buying a yorkie girl this month or next. I know that this yorkie is from her champion line. A line that she worked on for 30 years. That the yorkie will be tested and will have no genetic defects. That the yorkie is AKC registered. I know that AKC inspects the breeder's facility and checks the DNA of it's registered dogs. That I will have a one year guarantee. And I will have lifetime support from this breeder for my puppy. And last but not least that it is will be a beautiful, sweet puppy.

How many so called "breeders" can I say that about? :rolleyes:

Not many..unfortunately :(

Susan123 12-01-2008 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 2356052)
I am just wondering if anyone else got these "Nice" emails? The person that sent them I assume is linked to all this. The aol screen name is Sspupdaddy. Below is what I received. You know in case you are reading this which I'm sure you are. I tried to be nice and just convey the facts of which are in front of us. As I said to you in the email back. You didn't have the guts to sign your notes. I don't hide from anyone. I'm right here and my email address is easily accessible. I would however be very careful with your threats. As easy as it was to find me - it's just as easy to find you and it's obvious that you dont' know who I am or what my husband does. We work within the law:) Elaine

Email #1 - sent today at 11:54. "Carefull what you say I am not that slow. Very easy to find people who don't know the truth!!"

Email #2 - Sent today at 12.21 pm. "Don't be jealous of people who have built successful businesses just because you don't know the truth. People like you have nothing better to do than make judgements about people you don't know. Just a little curious is that what you teach your 2 boys. If you want to know at least have the guts to contact me. And by the way I will continue with my success and teach people to not to make judgements about people until they know the truth."



:thumbdown That's uncool and totally inappropriate. Forest Gump sums this one up in one sentence...Stupid is as stupid does.

fourdez 12-01-2008 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ines3185lyorkie (Post 2356170)
I am in the middle of buying a yorkie girl this month or next. I know that this yorkie is from her champion line. A line that she worked on for 30 years. That the yorkie will be tested and will have no genetic defects. That the yorkie is AKC registered. I know that AKC inspects the breeder's facility and checks the DNA of it's registered dogs. That I will have a one year guarantee. And I will have lifetime support from this breeder for my puppy. And last but not least that it is will be a beautiful, sweet puppy.

How many so called "breeders" can I say that about? :rolleyes:

Not many..unfortunately :(


Good luck with your little girl... I have had dealings with Glenda, I wanted a dog ( a little boy) she had. She would not sell me the boy because he had a defect, nothing I would have picked up on, but she was honest enough to tell me right away. I was willing to take the dog anyway but she felt she could not sell him until he was much older to see how this disability was going to affect him. I understand he was fine afterwards, and though I was dissapointed, I totally appreciated her honesty and the way she stood her ground even when I tried to convince her that I could handle the disability.


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