Beware of Byrlaur Puppies - Maine

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Brylaur

I am just here to tell our side of this. We were and are still very concerned about them and that's why we asked for the medical reports so we could resolve this. All we got from you were emails no phones calls and no Vet information.

Roxy was never planned as an addition to our breeding program, she was way too small right from the start. If she had stayed she would have been spayed and a pet as many of our dogs are.

Laura,
This is how you advertised Roxy. Also, Bryant re-told this to me on the phone about her. (Oh by the way...she is just over 5 lbs.)

[TLC]

As far as your ban from the AKC. Who knows. All I can say is that if the AKC had listed 'for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements' and banned me for 10 years (after I had been a member in good standing for 20 years), well, I sure would have done what it takes to clear my name, that is if what they listed wasn't indeed true. After all, your business and good name are at stake, b/c any and all nationwide potential buyers have the liberty to contact AKC and double check things. But that's just IMO.


The following are some of your e-mail responses to me about the LP. Now, honestly, after reading these responses from you, it was clear to me how you felt and at that point I decided I needed to focus my energy on Roxy and TJ, verses trying to convince You and Your Vet of something. But, never the less, now that it is a 1.5 years later and NOW all of a sudden you are so concerned for Roxy and TJ. Sure, I'll send you the paperwork I have on them for LP and then when I get the paperwork relating to the BAT levels (MVD or Liver Shunt), I'll send those over to you too!

Oh, by the way...How old is Roxy's Mom (Jazzy)? If you see below, in June 2006 - Jazzy had 4 liters already! WOW - small breeder you are? Sure sounds like she was breed every heat cycle!



Here what you said to me:

Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: Hi Laura - It's about Roxy - Luxating Patella
Hello,
Patella problems can also caused by injury. How old is she? If they were detected when she left our Vet would have noted it on her health certificate. Who were her parents? Jeda, Jazzy?


Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Hi Laura - It's about Roxy - Luxating Patella
Hello,
Patella problems are very common with these guys, they have such small bones and knee joints. Jazzy has not had any puppies as of yet with this problem. Debbie got her last two girls. Jazzy has had 4 litters with us and we've had her since she was a pup. Going up and down stairs really has nothing to do with it either, I have several Yorkies that will not do steps or jump on the couch and their patellas are fine. Jazzy & Toto both have good solid Patellas neither have a problem with slipping.


Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Hi Laura - It's about Roxy - Luxating Patella
Hello,
Not sure what to say sorry to hear about your guys. Did you mail a written statement from your Veterinarian that these where genetic problems? We were waiting on that. We use this and go over the problems with our Vet.
As far as Genetic Guarantee!! We guarantee this puppy to be free from birth defects!! At a young age you can not possibly know what may occur in a puppy so we do our best to keep our breeders clear, but things do happen and that's why we put a genetic guarantee in our contract, it's NOT misleading at all it's what we cover if something should happen. That's why they are Vet checked prior to leaving and these pups were older and nothing was found by our Vet at that time, so we would have no way of knowing any of this prior to them leaving.. We have been breeding Yorkies for 10 years and haven't had reports of these problems. With the knees they can also be injury, with the little guys it's very common. We have sold several puppies from these breeding's and just got a wonderful email from a lady that got one of the litter mates and is having no problems, of course she is much bigger, the little ones tend to have more problems because of their small size.
How old these guys? I'm thinking they are close to 2 years old. Not sure what you'd like us to do, we do cover life threatening problems so not sure about this one this is the first time we have had this one hit.. How you treat medical is up to you.


So, you see, is there anything in your responses to make me think you were going to do anything for me??? Come on. Like I said earlier, what is me sending you Roxy's report going to do for us Laura? Were you going to pay her $4000 bill? And were you going to pay TJ's $4000 bill?
NO - You and Your Vet were going to come back and tell me all the things that you had already told me...still banking on that LP can be from injury, b/c none of your dogs have and none produced LP dogs either.

Sorry, but at that point I just had enough of it. Roxy had to under go 2 surgeries back to back and then a small 3rd one to remove the pin. She still has one more LP surgery to go and God only knows if that will happen b/c she may have MVD or a Liver Shunt.

Again, when I posted this thread, I wanted to make it clear that I purchased 2 Yorkies with numerous Genetic Birth Defects from Brylaur in Maine, in hopes of saving others from this agony, because I truly find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that I am the ONLY 'lucky' person to have purchased 2 pups from you(from different liters) and they BOTH have numerous DEFECTS.

[TLC]

Oh yes, by the way....

I can truly sense in ALL your above posts, your true and complete concern for Roxy and TJ and their possible MVD and/or Liver Shunts - thanks for that one too

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by Brylaur

Our Veterinarian is great and we have been with him for 25+ years. He did an exam on both of these babies prior to them leaving our home and I can assure you if he detected anything they would have not gone anywhere, they were sent home with his written exam.

Did you have the tested with a pre-and post- fasting bile acid test? If so, what were the numbers then, and at what age were they tested?

[kalina82]

I just read thru all of this and i'm truly sorry you have to go thru this. You did make every attempt to get in touch with your breeder to let them know the problems roxy and TJ.

To the breeder, Are you going to do anything about this? Both TJ and Roxy have so many problems and you sit back and do nothing. its a shame. I think you should step up and compensate Nicole for all the trouble and heartache she has gone through with her two pups.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by mistyinca

Did you have the tested with a pre-and post- fasting bile acid test? If so, what were the numbers then, and at what age were they tested?

I highly doubt it. Both Roxy and TJ came home with a Vet pamplet used to indicate what shots were given and those dates. Also written in were all the de-wormings that they received. That's it, no Health Guarantee from their Vet.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by kalina82

I just read thru all of this and i'm truly sorry you have to go thru this. You did make every attempt to get in touch with your breeder to let them know the problems roxy and TJ.

To the breeder, Are you going to do anything about this? Both TJ and Roxy have so many problems and you sit back and do nothing. its a shame. I think you should step up and compensate Nicole for all the trouble and heartache she has gone through with her two pups.

Thank you for your support.

I highly doubt they will compensate for anything what so ever. IMO this breeder is not a 'small home breeder'. Breeding seems to be their bread and butter. From the information I have read about them (on their own site), is they Breed and she does some small crafts (for craft fairs). I believe the husband get disability from the government. They also have a daugther (maybe 10 yrs. old now).

They Breed: Yorkies, Pugs, Toy Fox Terriers, Chia's and Brussel Griffens (and maybe other, I don't know).

They also own NUMEROUS Horses, Goats, Donkeys, Pigs (maybe other stuff too, who knows). I highly doubt they have hired help, so that would mean that ALL of this is taken care of by 2 people. Which for the life of me I can not figure out how this is safe? In some pictures on their site you'll see a tiny Yorkie next to a Horse (so sad).

One time they had pups for sale (I can't remember which breed it was) - But they were going to "Trade" a pup for a "Decent Running Car - to get them back and forth from the Airport" - I guess to be able to ship pups they sell.
That's sad to me, b/c after I read that and then started to take a good look around the site, I just felt in my heart that those poor animals are probably not being properly cared for. I mean the Yorkies alone are HIGH maintenance. I'm sorry, but there's no way it can all be done for all of those animals living there. (IMO)

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by TLC

I highly doubt it. Both Roxy and TJ came home with a Vet pamplet used to indicate what shots were given and those dates. Also written in were all the de-wormings that they received. That's it, no Health Guarantee from their Vet.

That's what I'm figuring. That is why I brought it up. It's all fine and dandy for them to say they had the dog vet tested, but unless they can say that they had a complete BAT and the dog came through with flying colors, then they have no business bringing up the vet exam.

and a little concern would be nice too. Good luck!

[TyraandMrJ]

Last summer my uncle who lives in Lewiston,Maine bought a chihuahua from this person it died within a week. My uncle was destroyed. He's trying to concact them but Hey caller ID is a amazing thing. Let's you avoid all responsabilty. Heads up. Bryluar,he's done waiting for a replacement pup and is contacting the authorities.

ty

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by TyraandMrJ

Last summer my uncle who lives in Lewiston,Maine bought a chihuahua from this person it died within a week. My uncle was destroyed. He's trying to concact them but Hey caller ID is a amazing thing. Let's you avoid all responsabilty. Heads up. Bryluar,he's done waiting for a replacement pup and is contacting the authorities.

ty

If you purchase a phone card, it shows a unique number on caller ID...

[TLC]

Originally Posted by TyraandMrJ

Last summer my uncle who lives in Lewiston,Maine bought a chihuahua from this person it died within a week. My uncle was destroyed. He's trying to concact them but Hey caller ID is a amazing thing. Let's you avoid all responsabilty. Heads up. Bryluar,he's done waiting for a replacement pup and is contacting the authorities.

ty

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your story and continuing to alert unkowing potential customer of exactly the kind of breeders Brylaur are (Irresponsible, Careless and Uncompationate).

Please tell your Uncle that I am so sorry for his loss, I can truly feel his devastation. I am so happy he is going to contact the authorities. Brylaur should be held responsible.

Laura and Bryant - Again, you truly should be ashamed of yourselves.

[TLC]

Just an FYI observation -
Since Laura (Brylaur) has been to this thread here on YT (which has only been since 8/24), she has pretty much 'taken down' a lot of her website pages - I just think that speaks volumes

[Yorkiekids]

I'm so sorry this happened to you. What's wrong with people. If they don't know how to breed they should have them fixed.

[Fancy]

Originally Posted by TLC

Please take caution if you are considering a Brylaur Puppy.

Here is the Website:
http://hometown.aol.com/brylaur2/home.html

I tried to educate myself in my search for my babies (I had not discovered YT at the time ), anyway, I thought I knew enough - mainly to stay away from Pet Stores...

I fell in love with TJ and Roxy - and what a deal, I could get them at the same time! I was on the search for 2 and I found them TJ and Roxy have the same father - different mothers

I believed the above breeder and truely thought I was getting 2 well taken care of babies. You be the judge!

TJ has a roach back, he has Immflamitory Bowel Disease (IBD), luxating patella in both rear legs, he has approx. 9 adult teeth that never formed from the jaw.

Roxy has collapsing trachea, luxating patella in both rear legs, when I got her she was 6 months old and she NEVER had her teeth brushed - what makes that so bad, was that she had ALL her babies and ALL her adult teeth - BIG TIME TARTAR, etc...

I did recommend the breeder once (before I know about all their problems) and that person got 2 baby girls from the breeder (same parents as Roxy). One girl - so far is healthy. The other girl is sick - liver disease, maybe a liver shunt! The Vet said her 1 year old liver was that of an OLD, OLD dog!

I have made numerous attempts at contacting the breeder, THEY COULD CARE LESS! They told me LP can be caused by injury and NONE of their dog have it! When I told them Roxy was going in for surgery, NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD...What makes me most upset is that these were their pups - only 1 year ago...And they didn't even care to conatct me to ask if Roxy was ok after surgery - HOW DISGUSTING!!! SHAME ON ALL BREEDERS THAT ACT THIS WAY!

I just couldn't live with myself if I did not share my story, please take caution with this breeder. I know better now. I would not recommend a breeder like this anymore.

Feel free to PM me if anyone wants to discuss anything I have said further.

This is really terrible!! I have a web site. How in the world am I to know if I'm selling to a puppy mill or a bad breeder? I have had some cookie people contact me. Some times I get bad vibes. Then other times I'm glad I didn't sell to the people who bought else where. I see their free web site. I started out with one of those free web sites with AOL. I check out the puppy agreement page and it kept coming back to the first page. There is no cuest book there. They can place anything they want to place on their site and make it look like somebody else said it. I see where they discuss Coccidia on there site. A vet will tell you differently. They have had trouble with this in the past and not clearing it up before the babies leave or else they wouldn't have posted it. I guess it's possible to have runny stool for one day from the stress. I really didn't like the extent that they went into about discussing it, kind of like they were used to complaints concerning coccidia. They show that they are un concerned, even when they write about it. I guess many of their pups have been sold with coccidia!!

[Fancy]

Originally Posted by TLC

...I also just found out that they are on the AKC Suspension List
http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspindx.htm#a

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http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspca.htm

Castle Bryant Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)
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Castle Laura Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)

Well I kind of figured out this about AKC, now you mention this. I did see that their dogs were APRI and CKC. That was the first thing that came to my mind is that they must have been suspended from AKC.