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TLC · 08-24-2007, 05:29 AM

Please - What a joke! You are not properly scanning your breeding dogs. I have tried many, many, many times to get some type of "CONCERNED" response from you about the 2 pups I purchased from you - oh that you considered "Our Babies Too!" - Please - You didn't even know who I was and who Roxy and TJ's parents were! You needed me to explain it all to you (and that was less than 1 years of "You Babies" leaving Your establishment. And you the bit about you being a small breeder and a show breeder...PLEASE...

WHY DID THE AKC BAN BOTH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND????????

Oh and by the way - Roxy (who you called Jeda) her parents are Jazzy and Toto has extremely HIGH BAT levels - She goes for an Ultrasound on 9/5 - which will determine IF she has a LIVER SHUNT or MVD -
************ ANOTHER CONGENTIAL DEFECT ******************
Produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!!

And TJ (who you called Dustin) his parents are Dandie and Toto also has HIGH BAT levels. After Roxy's goes for her ultrasound, TJ will have one too! Although we suspect he just has MVD.
************ ANOTHER CONGENTIAL DEFECT ******************
Produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!!

As far as sending you medical records, from your response (and lack of responses) to me, you told me that LP can also be from injury. You didn't care to contact me after I told Roxy (Jeda) was going in for major surgery, you didn't contact me to make sure "Your Baby" made in through major surgery ALIVE - So at that point, WHY ON EARTH would I go out of my way to send you her medical records - SO YOU CAN THROW THEM IN THE TRASH

Ya know what - After Roxy and TJ get their untrasounds done, and possible surgery to repair possible liver shunts, and than after I consult numerous nutritionist to get a good balanced diet for liver compromised dogs, then I will put a WHOLE BOOKLET together of all their medical records stating ALL THE CONGENTIAL DEFECTS produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!!

AND THEN - I am threw with you! And you can take that booklet and shove it you all I care!

TLC · 08-24-2007, 05:43 AM

About the other pup that died. The 'new' owner is just devastating beyond words. I don't have the specifics about his name or anything like that, BUT, he did purchase this male pup from you, no doubt about that. I can't tell you why he hasn't contacted you, maybe, he is just heart broken and knows that you won't do anything about it. Plus, I would never want a replacement pup from you and maybe he feels the same way, I don't know. I just stated information that was told to me. And THANK GOD, I was told this information, b/c that's what prompted me to get Roxy and TJ - BAT levels tested, and THANK GOD again, that they are still young and that whatever the outcome is I can help prolong their lives either by surgery and/or diet!

You should be ashamed

TLC · 08-24-2007, 06:03 AM

We have been sent a link to this thread from several people encouraging us to post. I'm not much of a public speaker. We received loads of emails and sent several replies. (You are RIGHT, I have sent you many, many, many e-mails - BUT with hardly any response from you) We also asked for copies of medical reports from the Veterinarian that we never received. Our Veterinarian is great and we have been with him for 25+ years. He did an exam on both of these babies prior to them leaving our home and I can assure you if he detected anything they would have not gone anywhere, they were sent home with his written exam. (The ONLY thing that you sent home with them, was the records of shots and worming, there was NO writen report from your Vet) We listen 100% to our Veterinarian and follow his recommendations, any problems we take the medical reports directly to him and he will talk with the other Veterinarian involved, he's great. (Well, honestly maybe a new Vet is in order - b/c Roxy's teeth were beyond DISGUSTING when I got her, and ANY GOOD VET after seeing such hossible teeth would have suggested to you that maybe you could BRUSH TEETH - So if your Vet MISSED such a standard thing like TEETH, well, I don't trust him at all!) Emails were sent after Roxy's surgery and at that point we stopped getting anything from the new owner. And still never any medical reports. (See my reply in the other post, but know that you didn't contact me after her surgery)
As far as the 9 month old that died after $4,000.00 in medical bills, I read this here. No reports from the new owners. I'm pursuming this was recent and went back and checked the litter we had in the fall and the one early spring and our records show there were no puppies sold to long island during that time frame. (See my other post)

We are a very small in home breeder and we don't have very many litters per year. We use to show in confirmation and obdience when we got started with dogs over 25 years ago and now we just do not have the time to show in open, more 4-H stuff. (Again, WHY DID THE AKC BAN YOU????)

We are more that happy to answer any questions. We are on dial up so getting on this site isn't always easy and we do lose the connection a lot.
It's funny that you'd be more than happy to answer any questions, b/c everytime there was phone communication, you NEVER got on the phone, you had your husband speak - strange

TLC · 08-24-2007, 06:27 AM

I going to leave this all on this note:

We love TJ and Roxy like they were our children. We will provide any and all type of health care they need for the rest of lives, regardless of how it pains us emotionally and financially. We are committed to them 100% - We are so Thankful to God for them, as they are gifts from God (and God alone). I Thank God everyday for him giving TJ and Roxy to US, b/c I am just not sure they would have been given every opportunity at the BEST life if they were in someone elses hands.

In all my e-mails to you, I told you all the facts provided to me by my Ortho Specialist and all the numerous information that can be found on the internet, by people who have researched and documented fact findings. I told you all the $ we have and will spend on them as a result of your poor scanning of breeding dogs. I never threatened to sue you for money or to take you to court, etc...I honestly wanted you to know so that you could possibly go about your breeding in a different manner. I also was hoping that you would have cared and shown me some sort of compassion about having to subject them to major surgery. This was all under 1 year of me having them.

But, I guess I should I have learned way back in the beginning during the first few months I had them from you, when TJ was having those HORRIBLE episodes of mucus poop and vomit, every other day. I remember explaining this all to you and how the Vet put him on Meds. and a special diet. You were pretty much pissed at me for taking them off of the Euk. dry food and chicken w/honey. You told me that another customer of yours went through the same thing, but you told her to go back to the Euk. and chicken and now everything was fine. You just didn't get it, that TJ was truly sick, sick b/c he has IBD. I guess I should have realized that the compassion and care is obviously not there for you.

Respond however you want. I held all this in for a very long time, and when more stuff started to happen, I just couldn't take it anymore. I truly feel that people that care about Yorkies needed to hear the story of Roxy and TJ.

Brylaur · 08-24-2007, 07:55 AM

I can understand you being very upset you really LOVE these dogs and it shows deeply. It's great that these two have such a wonderful person to care for them. I did email you after the surgery and heard nothing back from you. I answered all your emails and showed concern and kept asking for the medical reports.

AKC was asked to leave our home after the inspector refused to wear protective clothing in our puppy area (which is also our bedroom). We have had viruses brought in before and we are just not willing to take the chance again. We bred and showed AKC completely until that point and were not happy with their new policy.

I did reply to all your emails and show concern about these puppies. Jeda was our baby for 6 months before she was yours and we (my husband and I) both spent many nights with her and her hypoglycemia to keep her with us. That's why she was 6 months old before she was released from here (and you knew this), we got very attached to her, as we do with all the puppies, but more so with her because she had such a rocky road.

Testing the parents doesn't guarantee the puppies are going to be free of defects the combination of the two parents can produce problems and where you have two, the medical reports from your Vet would have been a great start for us to work with our Vet, your Vet and with you on the problem. But you were not willing to send any of that to us. We have been over this with our Vet many times and it only shows the one being tested to be free not what will happen when you breed the two, that's why we have no time limit on our guarantee, even though this State only requires one year for genetics.

It didn't have to come to this if you had just sent the reports from your Veterinarian how hard would that have been??

TLC · 08-24-2007, 08:41 AM

WOW - That's amazing that the AKC would list the following about your ban, when according to you, you were the ones that left the AKC. (Odd to say the least).

http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspca.htm

Castle Bryant Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)
--------------------------------------------------

Castle Laura Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)

Laura, please don't try to make me NOW believe that you really showed care back then. I am not stupid. I have a perfect memory of all our correspondences (plus, I have all the e-mails in my files too).

Sure you told me that Roxy had a few hypo experiences when she was young, but you told me she had been fine for a while, that it was when she was younger. You also had printed on your website and your husband told me over the phone, that you had planned on keeping Roxy for your breeding program, but she turned out to be too small, so that's why you were selling her. So, please don't make it seem that you held her for 6 months b/c of hypo attacks.

Testing the parents doesn't guarantee the puppies are going to be free of defects the combination of the two parents can produce problems and where you have two, the medical reports from your Vet would have been a great start for us to work with our Vet, your Vet and with you on the problem. But you were not willing to send any of that to us. We have been over this with our Vet many times and it only shows the one being tested to be free not what will happen when you breed the two, that's why we have no time limit on our guarantee, even though this State only requires one year for genetics.

Sure, but if you properly scan your breeding dogs (meaning, knowing a complete and thorough background of ALL the linage of your breeding dogs) can help to prevent defects. The lineage for Both TJ and Roxy was only a few listed, which leads me to believe you don't know very much information about the lineage of your breeding dogs.

About the records, you clearly stated in your e-mail response to me that: NONE of the pups produced by either parents have LP. Neither of the parents have LP. You told me that your Vet didn't find LP in Roxy and TJ. And lastly, you told me, Well LP can happen from injury too.

So what would me have sending you a piece of paper from the Ortho Specialist stating, Roxy has LP in both rear legs, that she had surgery to repair it do???? Would that have convinced you of something???? Would that have convinced your Vet of something????

Please do not make it seem that, that "Piece of Paper" was going to make any difference at all. You made it clear to me how your line of thinking was.

And now speaking of Congenital Defects...How do you feel about the current news of possible liver shunts and/or MVD???? Maybe that can happen from injury too? B/C I am sure you have NEVER had this congenital defect show up in any of your pups either???

It didn't have to come to this if you had just sent the reports from your Veterinarian how hard would that have been??

Again, please tell me what that piece of paper was going to do? Like I said before, you showed no compassion about what was happening, so why on earth would I have felt that sending that to you was going to make any difference at all? My husband and I were alone in that matter, you made it clear to me that LP didn't come from your dogs.

I came here and posted after much thinking and a lot of disappointment. I had decided to share my story and my experiences in hope of educating others. I am so emotionally distraut over this. The defects and problems just keep appearing one after another. It truly is devastating to say the least.

TLC · 08-24-2007, 08:50 AM

Here's a prime example of your lack of concern.

I had contacted you in the Spring of 2006 (almost 1.5 years ago) telling you about Roxy and TJ and their LP. So what happened in that time period??? Were you concerned at all of possible genetic defects in your breeding program???

jp4m2 · 08-24-2007, 09:05 AM

TLC....this is so sad your pups are dealing with so many health issues, you and your husband must be so devastated......it's a shame that there are breeders out there with no regard for the pups they produce....I've been reading the posts and so far all I keep reading from the breeder is excuses, no where in her posts has she offered anything to you for these issues....is that not what a decent breeder would do?.....and of course if a pup has health issues there more than likely going to show up when their in the possession of the new owner, these things take time to manifest.....but of course it must be something the new owner caused.....please........

You clearly love these pups and it's wonderful your willing to do what you can to get them as well as can be expected to give them some quality to their lives....it's better than what some others would do....

TLC · 08-24-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2

TLC....this is so sad your pups are dealing with so many health issues, you and your husband must be so devastated......it's a shame that there are breeders out there with no regard for the pups they produce....I've been reading the posts and so far all I keep reading from the breeder is excuses, no where in her posts has she offered anything to you for these issues....is that not what a decent breeder would do?.....and of course if a pup has health issues there more than likely going to show up when their in the possession of the new owner, these things take time to manifest.....but of course it must be something the new owner caused.....please........

You clearly love these pups and it's wonderful your willing to do what you can to get them as well as can be expected to give them some quality to their lives....it's better than what some others would do....

Ya know I am so heart broken, putting Roxy through LP surgery was so hard, and the fact that she has CT as well made it very scarey, and in the back of my mind was the fact that I had to have TJ go for LP surgery as well. These are extremely exhausting surgeries and healing times. BUT now the new news that we are faced with, well, I feel like my broken heart has been ripped out, and what scares me is that this isn't the end of the new news. I still have to get ultrasounds done, and hear those results and then possible put them through a liver shunt surgery. I am crying just thinking about it. My poor Roxy Girl just hasn't had a decent break. She has spent her first 2.5 years struggling with one thing after another. It is so sad.

And YES, I agree with you. That's why I had stopped trying to communicate with Laura, b/c there was no compassion just excuses, and when you are here on YT and see how many caring breeders there really are, well, I just gave up on Brylaur and focused on Roxy and TJ.

Brylaur · 08-24-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2

TLC....this is so sad your pups are dealing with so many health issues, you and your husband must be so devastated......it's a shame that there are breeders out there with no regard for the pups they produce....I've been reading the posts and so far all I keep reading from the breeder is excuses, no where in her posts has she offered anything to you for these issues....is that not what a decent breeder would do?.....and of course if a pup has health issues there more than likely going to show up when their in the possession of the new owner, these things take time to manifest.....but of course it must be something the new owner caused.....please........

You clearly love these pups and it's wonderful your willing to do what you can to get them as well as can be expected to give them some quality to their lives....it's better than what some others would do....

Have offered no excuses for anything or placed any blame anywhere, but simply asked for medical reports as would any breeder in the same place. As was stated in my original post these medical reports would have been taken to our Veterinarian and he would have gone over these, and spoken to her Veterinarian and than we would have been able to talk about settling this, but that never happened.

Brylaur · 08-24-2007, 08:00 PM

Actually if you did read the AKC part of the post it stated that they were here and asked to leave, I never said we left AKC. When AKC comes to inspect they go through every area where there are any AKC dogs or puppies, even newborns. She (the inspector) was asked to leave because she would not wear protective gear, she never even got to the point of checking records and she could ID the adults with their Avid chips and she didn't even get that far, she was only in our home for maybe 10 minutes.

Brylaur · 08-24-2007, 08:10 PM

I am just here to tell our side of this. We were and are still very concerned about them and that's why we asked for the medical reports so we could resolve this. All we got from you were emails no phones calls and no Vet information.

Roxy was never planned as an addition to our breeding program, she was way too small right from the start. If she had stayed she would have been spayed and a pet as many of our dogs are.

txshopper73 · 08-24-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylaur

Actually if you did read the AKC part of the post it stated that they were here and asked to leave, I never said we left AKC. When AKC comes to inspect they go through every area where there are any AKC dogs or puppies, even newborns. She (the inspector) was asked to leave because she would not wear protective gear, she never even got to the point of checking records and she could ID the adults with their Avid chips and she didn't even get that far, she was only in our home for maybe 10 minutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLC

http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspca.htm

Castle Bryant Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)
--------------------------------------------------

Castle Laura Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple
for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements.
(6/01)

Just a question then...why didn't you file a complaint against AKC that the inspector falsified records when they stated that you failed to comply with yours?

YorkieMaineiac · 08-24-2007, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylaur

You must have us mixed up with someone else. We are not now or ever will advertise our puppies as "designer pups". What's a designer puppy anyway? A mix?? As far as Uncle Henry's we very rarely even put ads in their magazine for puppies. Not sure where you saw these ads, but I'm love to see who is putting them in as far as saying they are us.

I suppose all the ads I've seen for Yorkie, Pug, Chi, and Fox Terrier puppies for sale in Whitefield, Me. in Uncle Henry's magazine the past few months could be someone elses but with a population of just over 2,000 I seriously doubt it. Gimme a break!!
You say on your website that your dogs are all raised underfoot and they as well as their puppies have full run of the house. That they are in the living room and bedroom. How many dogs do you have? I counted over 30+ adults on your website of various breeds. Are we suppose to believe that you have that many dogs running around underfoot plus all their puppies? Again, give me a break!
Your operation just screams puppymill and we all know it. Can you not see in the eyes of your own dogs in the pics you post on your site how unhappy they are?
Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.

Brylaur · 08-25-2007, 02:20 AM

Just a question then...why didn't you file a complaint against AKC that the inspector falsified records when they stated that you failed to comply with yours?

Sorry, for some reason the posts aren't going through when I go through Quote, only on the post side.

Thanks for asking. We did file several formal letters of complaint with AKC and even called several board members. All we ever got back from them was the same replies, if you pay the $1,000.00 fine we will reinstate you. We just didn't feel after being in good standing with AKC for 20 years and been inspected many times that was right. All the other inspectors NEVER questioned putting on the protective gear. Another nearby breeder she visited the same day as us and she listed them the same way and she went to their home they were not even there, their teen age Daughter was and she of course wouldn't let them in the house. The inspector never even spoke to them or entered the house.

I may not be able to answer each and every post, we only have dial up and staying connected to this site has not been easy.

08-24-2007, 05:29 AM	#31
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Please - What a joke! You are not properly scanning your breeding dogs. I have tried many, many, many times to get some type of "CONCERNED" response from you about the 2 pups I purchased from you - oh that you considered "Our Babies Too!" - Please - You didn't even know who I was and who Roxy and TJ's parents were! You needed me to explain it all to you (and that was less than 1 years of "You Babies" leaving Your establishment. And you the bit about you being a small breeder and a show breeder...PLEASE... WHY DID THE AKC BAN BOTH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND???????? Oh and by the way - Roxy (who you called Jeda) her parents are Jazzy and Toto has extremely HIGH BAT levels - She goes for an Ultrasound on 9/5 - which will determine IF she has a LIVER SHUNT or MVD - ********** ANOTHER CONGENTIAL DEFECT ************** Produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!! And TJ (who you called Dustin) his parents are Dandie and Toto also has HIGH BAT levels. After Roxy's goes for her ultrasound, TJ will have one too! Although we suspect he just has MVD. ******** ANOTHER CONGENTIAL DEFECT **************** Produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!! As far as sending you medical records, from your response (and lack of responses) to me, you told me that LP can also be from injury. You didn't care to contact me after I told Roxy (Jeda) was going in for major surgery, you didn't contact me to make sure "Your Baby" made in through major surgery ALIVE - So at that point, WHY ON EARTH would I go out of my way to send you her medical records - SO YOU CAN THROW THEM IN THE TRASH Ya know what - After Roxy and TJ get their untrasounds done, and possible surgery to repair possible liver shunts, and than after I consult numerous nutritionist to get a good balanced diet for liver compromised dogs, then I will put a WHOLE BOOKLET together of all their medical records stating ALL THE CONGENTIAL DEFECTS produced by YOU and YOUR LACK OF SCANING YOUR BREEDING DOGS!!!! AND THEN - I am threw with you! And you can take that booklet and shove it you all I care! __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-24-2007, 05:43 AM	#32
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	About the other pup that died. The 'new' owner is just devastating beyond words. I don't have the specifics about his name or anything like that, BUT, he did purchase this male pup from you, no doubt about that. I can't tell you why he hasn't contacted you, maybe, he is just heart broken and knows that you won't do anything about it. Plus, I would never want a replacement pup from you and maybe he feels the same way, I don't know. I just stated information that was told to me. And THANK GOD, I was told this information, b/c that's what prompted me to get Roxy and TJ - BAT levels tested, and THANK GOD again, that they are still young and that whatever the outcome is I can help prolong their lives either by surgery and/or diet! You should be ashamed __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-24-2007, 06:03 AM	#33
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	We have been sent a link to this thread from several people encouraging us to post. I'm not much of a public speaker. We received loads of emails and sent several replies. (You are RIGHT, I have sent you many, many, many e-mails - BUT with hardly any response from you) We also asked for copies of medical reports from the Veterinarian that we never received. Our Veterinarian is great and we have been with him for 25+ years. He did an exam on both of these babies prior to them leaving our home and I can assure you if he detected anything they would have not gone anywhere, they were sent home with his written exam. (The ONLY thing that you sent home with them, was the records of shots and worming, there was NO writen report from your Vet) We listen 100% to our Veterinarian and follow his recommendations, any problems we take the medical reports directly to him and he will talk with the other Veterinarian involved, he's great. (Well, honestly maybe a new Vet is in order - b/c Roxy's teeth were beyond DISGUSTING when I got her, and ANY GOOD VET after seeing such hossible teeth would have suggested to you that maybe you could BRUSH TEETH - So if your Vet MISSED such a standard thing like TEETH, well, I don't trust him at all!) Emails were sent after Roxy's surgery and at that point we stopped getting anything from the new owner. And still never any medical reports. (See my reply in the other post, but know that you didn't contact me after her surgery) As far as the 9 month old that died after $4,000.00 in medical bills, I read this here. No reports from the new owners. I'm pursuming this was recent and went back and checked the litter we had in the fall and the one early spring and our records show there were no puppies sold to long island during that time frame. (See my other post) We are a very small in home breeder and we don't have very many litters per year. We use to show in confirmation and obdience when we got started with dogs over 25 years ago and now we just do not have the time to show in open, more 4-H stuff. (Again, WHY DID THE AKC BAN YOU????) We are more that happy to answer any questions. We are on dial up so getting on this site isn't always easy and we do lose the connection a lot. It's funny that you'd be more than happy to answer any questions, b/c everytime there was phone communication, you NEVER got on the phone, you had your husband speak - strange __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com Last edited by TLC; 08-24-2007 at 06:05 AM.

08-24-2007, 06:27 AM	#34
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I going to leave this all on this note: We love TJ and Roxy like they were our children. We will provide any and all type of health care they need for the rest of lives, regardless of how it pains us emotionally and financially. We are committed to them 100% - We are so Thankful to God for them, as they are gifts from God (and God alone). I Thank God everyday for him giving TJ and Roxy to US, b/c I am just not sure they would have been given every opportunity at the BEST life if they were in someone elses hands. In all my e-mails to you, I told you all the facts provided to me by my Ortho Specialist and all the numerous information that can be found on the internet, by people who have researched and documented fact findings. I told you all the $ we have and will spend on them as a result of your poor scanning of breeding dogs. I never threatened to sue you for money or to take you to court, etc...I honestly wanted you to know so that you could possibly go about your breeding in a different manner. I also was hoping that you would have cared and shown me some sort of compassion about having to subject them to major surgery. This was all under 1 year of me having them. But, I guess I should I have learned way back in the beginning during the first few months I had them from you, when TJ was having those HORRIBLE episodes of mucus poop and vomit, every other day. I remember explaining this all to you and how the Vet put him on Meds. and a special diet. You were pretty much pissed at me for taking them off of the Euk. dry food and chicken w/honey. You told me that another customer of yours went through the same thing, but you told her to go back to the Euk. and chicken and now everything was fine. You just didn't get it, that TJ was truly sick, sick b/c he has IBD. I guess I should have realized that the compassion and care is obviously not there for you. Respond however you want. I held all this in for a very long time, and when more stuff started to happen, I just couldn't take it anymore. I truly feel that people that care about Yorkies needed to hear the story of Roxy and TJ. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-24-2007, 08:41 AM	#36
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	WOW - That's amazing that the AKC would list the following about your ban, when according to you, you were the ones that left the AKC. (Odd to say the least). http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspca.htm Castle Bryant Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements. (6/01) -------------------------------------------------- Castle Laura Whitefield ME 5/7/01 5/7/11 multiple for failure to comply with recordkeeping and identification requirements. (6/01) Laura, please don't try to make me NOW believe that you really showed care back then. I am not stupid. I have a perfect memory of all our correspondences (plus, I have all the e-mails in my files too). Sure you told me that Roxy had a few hypo experiences when she was young, but you told me she had been fine for a while, that it was when she was younger. You also had printed on your website and your husband told me over the phone, that you had planned on keeping Roxy for your breeding program, but she turned out to be too small, so that's why you were selling her. So, please don't make it seem that you held her for 6 months b/c of hypo attacks. Testing the parents doesn't guarantee the puppies are going to be free of defects the combination of the two parents can produce problems and where you have two, the medical reports from your Vet would have been a great start for us to work with our Vet, your Vet and with you on the problem. But you were not willing to send any of that to us. We have been over this with our Vet many times and it only shows the one being tested to be free not what will happen when you breed the two, that's why we have no time limit on our guarantee, even though this State only requires one year for genetics. Sure, but if you properly scan your breeding dogs (meaning, knowing a complete and thorough background of ALL the linage of your breeding dogs) can help to prevent defects. The lineage for Both TJ and Roxy was only a few listed, which leads me to believe you don't know very much information about the lineage of your breeding dogs. About the records, you clearly stated in your e-mail response to me that: NONE of the pups produced by either parents have LP. Neither of the parents have LP. You told me that your Vet didn't find LP in Roxy and TJ. And lastly, you told me, Well LP can happen from injury too. So what would me have sending you a piece of paper from the Ortho Specialist stating, Roxy has LP in both rear legs, that she had surgery to repair it do???? Would that have convinced you of something???? Would that have convinced your Vet of something???? Please do not make it seem that, that "Piece of Paper" was going to make any difference at all. You made it clear to me how your line of thinking was. And now speaking of Congenital Defects...How do you feel about the current news of possible liver shunts and/or MVD???? Maybe that can happen from injury too? B/C I am sure you have NEVER had this congenital defect show up in any of your pups either??? It didn't have to come to this if you had just sent the reports from your Veterinarian how hard would that have been?? Again, please tell me what that piece of paper was going to do? Like I said before, you showed no compassion about what was happening, so why on earth would I have felt that sending that to you was going to make any difference at all? My husband and I were alone in that matter, you made it clear to me that LP didn't come from your dogs. I came here and posted after much thinking and a lot of disappointment. I had decided to share my story and my experiences in hope of educating others. I am so emotionally distraut over this. The defects and problems just keep appearing one after another. It truly is devastating to say the least. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-24-2007, 07:55 AM	#35
Brylaur YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whitefield Posts: 7	I can understand you being very upset you really LOVE these dogs and it shows deeply. It's great that these two have such a wonderful person to care for them. I did email you after the surgery and heard nothing back from you. I answered all your emails and showed concern and kept asking for the medical reports. AKC was asked to leave our home after the inspector refused to wear protective clothing in our puppy area (which is also our bedroom). We have had viruses brought in before and we are just not willing to take the chance again. We bred and showed AKC completely until that point and were not happy with their new policy. I did reply to all your emails and show concern about these puppies. Jeda was our baby for 6 months before she was yours and we (my husband and I) both spent many nights with her and her hypoglycemia to keep her with us. That's why she was 6 months old before she was released from here (and you knew this), we got very attached to her, as we do with all the puppies, but more so with her because she had such a rocky road. Testing the parents doesn't guarantee the puppies are going to be free of defects the combination of the two parents can produce problems and where you have two, the medical reports from your Vet would have been a great start for us to work with our Vet, your Vet and with you on the problem. But you were not willing to send any of that to us. We have been over this with our Vet many times and it only shows the one being tested to be free not what will happen when you breed the two, that's why we have no time limit on our guarantee, even though this State only requires one year for genetics. It didn't have to come to this if you had just sent the reports from your Veterinarian how hard would that have been??

08-24-2007, 08:50 AM	#37
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Here's a prime example of your lack of concern. I had contacted you in the Spring of 2006 (almost 1.5 years ago) telling you about Roxy and TJ and their LP. So what happened in that time period??? Were you concerned at all of possible genetic defects in your breeding program??? __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-24-2007, 09:05 AM	#38
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: w/ my boys Posts: 5,056	TLC....this is so sad your pups are dealing with so many health issues, you and your husband must be so devastated......it's a shame that there are breeders out there with no regard for the pups they produce....I've been reading the posts and so far all I keep reading from the breeder is excuses, no where in her posts has she offered anything to you for these issues....is that not what a decent breeder would do?.....and of course if a pup has health issues there more than likely going to show up when their in the possession of the new owner, these things take time to manifest.....but of course it must be something the new owner caused.....please........ You clearly love these pups and it's wonderful your willing to do what you can to get them as well as can be expected to give them some quality to their lives....it's better than what some others would do.... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jake J.J. Jack & Joey, momma misses you..... The joy found in the companionship of a pet is a blessing not given to everyone. The two most powerful words when we’re in struggle: me too..

08-24-2007, 08:00 PM	#41
Brylaur YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whitefield Posts: 7	Actually if you did read the AKC part of the post it stated that they were here and asked to leave, I never said we left AKC. When AKC comes to inspect they go through every area where there are any AKC dogs or puppies, even newborns. She (the inspector) was asked to leave because she would not wear protective gear, she never even got to the point of checking records and she could ID the adults with their Avid chips and she didn't even get that far, she was only in our home for maybe 10 minutes.

08-24-2007, 08:10 PM	#42
Brylaur YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whitefield Posts: 7	I am just here to tell our side of this. We were and are still very concerned about them and that's why we asked for the medical reports so we could resolve this. All we got from you were emails no phones calls and no Vet information. Roxy was never planned as an addition to our breeding program, she was way too small right from the start. If she had stayed she would have been spayed and a pet as many of our dogs are.

08-25-2007, 02:20 AM	#45
Brylaur YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whitefield Posts: 7	*Just a question then...why didn't you file a complaint against AKC that the inspector falsified records when they stated that you failed to comply with yours?* Sorry, for some reason the posts aren't going through when I go through Quote, only on the post side. Thanks for asking. We did file several formal letters of complaint with AKC and even called several board members. All we ever got back from them was the same replies, if you pay the $1,000.00 fine we will reinstate you. We just didn't feel after being in good standing with AKC for 20 years and been inspected many times that was right. All the other inspectors NEVER questioned putting on the protective gear. Another nearby breeder she visited the same day as us and she listed them the same way and she went to their home they were not even there, their teen age Daughter was and she of course wouldn't let them in the house. The inspector never even spoke to them or entered the house. I may not be able to answer each and every post, we only have dial up and staying connected to this site has not been easy.