Do not buy loretta plise yorkies from oakdale !!!!!

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by chachi

She said she stopped paynent on other things in the past and got away with it so no wonder she thinks she will this tie also. Its just morally wrong to expect to get somethig for free it also makes it harder for the rest of us Because Busiesses stop taking checks Because people pull this crap

That was a pretty strong accusation to make, and I've spent the last 30 minutes or so looking through each one of her posts and have not found her to say that. Are you friends with her outside of this message board and this is something she told you in private? did you make it up? Or did I just miss the post (which is a possibility, but I don't think so).

This has so turned into the victim being victimized. I would love to see any one of you hand over your baby to a known animal abuser - yes, I said abuser because that is what she is. Seriously people, open your eyes. Illegal in the eyes of the law?? maybe. But this woman (ChinaLee) has/will probably end up paying $1,000's for this puppy in medical expenses alone, and sometimes you just need to have a backbone and stand up for what you believe in, which she is doing. You disagree? you have every right. but you have lowered yourself to the level of the puppy miller with your nasty remarks in my opinion.

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Adopt - Don't Shop. Ever.

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

For the record there are specific time periods to file under CA's puppy lemon law and the majority of the remedies do not include receiving a refund AND keeping the puppy.

A third option - Keep the puppy and receive reimbursement for reasonable
veterinarian fees up to 150 percent of the original purchase price of
the dog plus sales tax on the original purchase price of the dog.

And "Loretta" has proven multiple times that you have a better shot of winning the lottery than you EVER do of getting a cent back from her because of medical expenses for one of her sick dogs. She RELIES on the fact that her customers have fallen in love with their dogs and will not "RETURN" them like a rotten head of lettuce from the grocery store for a refund. More people need to stand up to breeders/millers like this - there is only one place you can hit them that hurts - and that is their pocketbook.

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Your Petshop puppy's mother is dying in a puppy mill.

[lynzy420]

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/check-stop-payments.html
Heres a link for informational purposes.

Today I had to meet with my lawyer regarding some business matters,
I asked him about this today and he immediately said "this is the same thing I told you to do when you got your dog", (but I was afraid to!). In my case I ended up basically getting the cost of my dog back as they had to pay for her surgery, after I paid for it and a million other things...) I ended up spending 20x that amount ytd.

He said anyone at anytime can stop payment if it is in "good faith."

Lawyer said that most times these types of people aren't running totally legitimte business' to begin with (not saying Loretta isn't). Many will NOT persue monies because of exposure and fears of the IRS (interesting).

Said that in this case Loretta can take her to small claims and vice versa court and the Judge the breeder will probably (depending) on contract and puppy lemon laws of their state, end up owing ChinaLee money.

My Lawyer said that the best thing to do is to try to work it out amongst themselves, get past this and come up with a solution together. If not, he suggested that ChinaLees lawyer should contact Loretta to work out an agreement, that would be the right thing to do.

He said that either party could take the other to small claims court over this, hes willing to bet neither one does.

Am not judging here, I totally despise these types of breeders and I totally hated paying them...I understand your viewpoint and I understand others viewpoints as well, I personally did not cancel check even though I could have, but I was relentless getting my money back as per the contract...however; I just couldn't keep persuing as I could have, and after I got the amount that i payed for My Miss Mini, I walked away from the whole situation....I love my dog but my energy was spent on her.

I know that in the first couple weeks the cost to keep my Miss Mini alive was staggering and I am grateful that I was able to pay the costs and not return my pup...I'm not sure if Chinalee is as fortunate as I am to be able to afford this...what I do know is there is no way in the world I would have given my baby back...NONE so in that respect I can sympathize with ChinaLee.

The thing about this situation is that all we have is writtin text and not the whole story and we just don't and can't know all the details.

Either way, I'm glad this pup is loved and being taken care of.

[concretegurl]

Dogs puppies are considered property by the law.
Sad but true property can be reposessed if not paid in full.
I hope all buyers follow thelaw to the letter and further pursue litigation themselves.
Please ensure you buyers follow the law ro ensure YOUR dogs can't be repossessed by this "breeder".

[chachi]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

And "Loretta" has proven multiple times that you have a better shot of winning the lottery than you EVER do of getting a cent back from her because of medical expenses for one of her sick dogs. She RELIES on the fact that her customers have fallen in love with their dogs and will not "RETURN" them like a rotten head of lettuce from the grocery store for a refund. More people need to stand up to breeders/millers like this - there is only one place you can hit them that hurts - and that is their pocketbook.

madpuppymills.org
Your Petshop puppy's mother is dying in a puppy mill.

No I did Not make it up she posted it on another thread

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by chachi

No I did Not make it up she posted it on another thread

It's not like I don't have a million other things I should be doing, but according to her profile, she has posted 33 times, and I have read them all, and not once did she state she had canceled checks in the past.

Seeing as how you claim to have a higher standard of morals than others on this board, I'd suggest that if you can't recall if or where she ever made a comment like that, you owe her an apology.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

I have to say that I think you are being a bit harsh to ChinaLee here. Please remember who the victims are - ChinaLee and her puppy. You are comparing an inanimate object to a living, breathing soul. A defective piece of equipment, spoiled food, etc. that you return will most likely get thrown in the trash, or repaired and sold "as is". This woman, Loretta or Lori, or whatever her name is, has already proven multiple times that the dogs she sells are merely money in her pocket. The dogs health mean nothing to her. Some of her friends are coming on here saying that she is wonderful and has even given a dog away - maybe she did (but I'd make a healthy wager it was defective in some way), but it is also on record that she has refused to cooperate or live up to her word when customers have come to her with newly purchased sick puppies.

Could you honestly say that you would return a dog, that you love, to her?? She'd most likely send it back to the Oklahoma puppy mill that it came from, or she'd "play doctor" and give it some bogus medication and then pawn it off on the next unsuspecting person who comes along.

This woman, Loretta, is bad news, and she needs to be stopped. While I agree that normally it would be considered wrong to stop payment on an item without returning it, sometimes a person has to struggle with morality, not legality. If it were me in this situation right now, I'd say to Loretta, come and get me. I promise you that she won't. She has much more to lose by calling attention to herself like that.

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Never breed or buy while millions in shelters die.

I have no issue separating legalities from moralities...if I was involved in this same exact situaltion, I can proimise you, I would definately keep this baby...but I WOULD PAY FOR IT....I BELIEVE I HAVE A LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR ANYTHING I RECEIVE. IF I DECIDED TO KEEP THIS BABY, I WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS ABOUT PAYING FOR IT. I have never expected to get anything without paying for it...if I walk into a junkyard and I pick out a car, and then I get the car home and the transmission hits the ground, I would remember NO ONE TWISTED MY ARM TO GO TO THAT JUNK YARD AND BUY THAT CAR....since I chose to go there, and I walked out with that item, I BELIEVE I HAVE A MORAL AS WELL AS A LEGAL OBLIGATION/RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR IT. So I would pay for my choice, accept responsibility for my choice, and then if I REALLY wanted to have an effect on this business for selling junk, (rather than use this as an excuse to get free junk) I would pursue the owner in court...if I want to get the car for free, I would just holler about what a crook they were selling junk cars at a junk yard, and how I was not going to pay for my selection of junk from the junk yard., because it was nothing but a piece of junk!! I expect to pay for ANYTHING I take possession of. If I go to a junk yard and buy junk, I will pay for it. If I go to Home Depot and buy something new, and it is delivered and is not what it was advertised to be, I RETURN IT....OR, I KEEP IT AND B**CH ABOUT HOW I GOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.....BUT I DO NOT KEEP IT, AND NOT PAY FOR IT BECAUSE I WANT TO "TEACH THEM A LESSON"! I will "teach them a lesson" in a court of law. But that is just me and my personal sense of ethical behavior and sense of integritiy.

[gracielove]

Greeders represent themselves as being legitimate. They rely on an uninformed public in order to continue their methods of operation. People don't purchase puppies from these people because they think they are getting a discount or "junkyard" puppy. They just don't know any better. Puppy mills advertise themselves as being beautiful "puppy farms" in the country where the dogs live lives of ease. While many here know what a puppy mill really is the majority of people have know idea what one really is. I might add that from what I have read many people on YT started out with Yorkies from puppy mills, pet stores or back yard breeders.

It is a common practice to stop payment on a check when one suspects they have been ripped off. This was an illegal transaction to begin with. When the buyer found out what she was involved in she stopped payment on her check. In any other thread people are told giving money to a puppy mill only helps them to continue in business and yet in this case this person deserves the $600.00 to help her stay in business? The woman stays in business because of her ability to swindle people and that is exactly what she was doing to this buyer.If this broker pays the additional vet costs then the buyer needs to be prepared to pay for the puppy. Otherwise the breeder deserves not another cent. While the buyer made the mistake of going to a dishonest breeder/broker she does not deserve the additional expenses that she encountered and would never be recouped from the breeder.

This situation is going to play out one way or another. The buyer made a mistake in judgment but does not deserve the analogy and prejudice that is being shown here.

[chinalee61]

Thank you for everyone's continued support. Zooey is still suffering with fungus that has spread to other parts of her body. Going back to vet for more test and hopefully new meds. Were finding new bald spots on her and still losing hair.

To those of you who can care less, you've made your point! Anyone who has been a victim of this broker/breeder, please report on madpuppymill.org. for everyone's information, I've gone through all the proper channels with the authorities. Ive take their advice, and keeping my puppy. Anyone has the right to cancel a check and the right to save a puppy from a puppy mill.

I am paying for this puppy one way or another! Getting her healthy is my main objective at this point. And giving her a loving home. I refuse for her to go back to a puppy mill. So this is where I stand!

[chachi]

Okay but no judge is going to award her any monies toward vet bills when she didnt even pay the purchase price of the dog. Who knows what all more serious health problems this dog may have. Thats why theres a right way to go about it and a wrong way

[Teegy]

Listen, do me a favour and get the pup on a raw diet. Start with just roasted or boiled chicken then go raw. It will help with the fungus and get a probiotic give a capsule a day.
It's not great loading a wee pup with meds as they are still developing an immune system.
A raw diet with provide them with good nutrition and the enzymes that wee body needs to strengthen the immune system.

[LunasMomma]

Originally Posted by chachi

Okay but no judge is going to award her any monies toward vet bills when she didnt even pay the purchase price of the dog. Who knows what all more serious health problems this dog may have. Thats why theres a right way to go about it and a wrong way

Unfortunately, the law protects tbe breeder/broker more. You can recoup vet expenses, but ONLY in the amount of the purchase price of the puppy. So if you buy a $1,000 puppy, and spend $3,000 in vet bills, by law you'd only be entitled to $1,000. At least that's the Puppy Lemon Law here in Florida, I don't know about other states. I paid $1,100 for Luna and was able to get our $700+ ER Vet bill reimbursed.

Either way, the OP really should pay for the puppy and then follow proper procedure to recoup her money. Otherwise this will just be hanging over her head.

[chinalee61]

Originally Posted by Teegy

Listen, do me a favour and get the pup on a raw diet. Start with just roasted or boiled chicken then go raw. It will help with the fungus and get a probiotic give a capsule a day.
It's not great loading a wee pup with meds as they are still developing an immune system.
A raw diet with provide them with good nutrition and the enzymes that wee body needs to strengthen the immune system.

I'll give it a try. Thanks!

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by chinalee61

Thank you for everyone's continued support. Zooey is still suffering with fungus that has spread to other parts of her body. Going back to vet for more test and hopefully new meds. Were finding new bald spots on her and still losing hair.

To those of you who can care less, you've made your point! Anyone who has been a victim of this broker/breeder, please report on madpuppymill.org. for everyone's information, I've gone through all the proper channels with the authorities. Ive take their advice, and keeping my puppy. Anyone has the right to cancel a check and the right to save a puppy from a puppy mill.

I am paying for this puppy one way or another! Getting her healthy is my main objective at this point. And giving her a loving home. I refuse for her to go back to a puppy mill. So this is where I stand!

At the end of the day, all I can say is Thank you for taking care of this pup...the pup is what counts here, many of us really do understand, right or wrong....

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

At the end of the day, all I can say is Thank you for taking care of this pup...the pup is what counts here, many of us really do understand, right or wrong....