Originally Posted by tjdmom (Post 3183664)

Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183783)

In post # 15 Renee states that Dee offered her money back, but could not get it immediatly. In # 9 she stated she was going to replace her with a puppy and she had refused and had told her not to contact her anymore.

I just wanted to get that out there. Mardelin you are right. Dee should have been more knowledgeable about her own lines, and people should know more about genetics. I see why she did not want another puppy, but she she should have taken the money.

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Baxters mom, It is unneccessary to be nasty on this site. You are opening another can of worms intentionally bashing this dog that you love so much trying to hurt the breeder, Why?

You got a great deal and a great dog without any of the suffering.

THE BOTTOM LINE.....She was not honest in disclosing problems in the lines. Period. End of Subject.


Renee you did what you felt was right by spaying and placing this dog. I do not agree with your post only because of #9 and # 15. She did mess up, you were inconvenienced, but she did try to make it right. You openly refused. When one does make a mistake and they try to make it right, you can't erase the mistake only try to make up for it.

Originally Posted by shamrocks (Post 3183786)

I feel that the lesson that can be learned from this is that if you are a breeder then you should disclose all that you know about your line even if you think it maybe insignificant, and if you are looking to buy a dog take your time and research as much as you can get references and talk to their vet. I do not anything about the OP or the breeder so I will just read this thread and glean any knowledge that I can.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183736)

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy (Post 3183787)

Nasty? Why because I called you out. I think I have more to do with this than you! Bashing my dog?! Why? By stating a FACT, that she has LP which I was told was more than likely genetic since diagnosed at such an early age. Sorry you were offended but I was offended by you as well. I love Jazzy. I am committed to her and more than likely she will have to have knee surgery at some point in her life. So for you to say I am bashing her is ridiculous. If I didn't love her I wouldnt have taken her.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183745)

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183797)

Called me out? What are you talking about. I am just stating the fact that is #9 and # 15 Dee tried to make up for a mistake.
I am not offended at all.
If you took a dog knowing it had LP than fix it, if it is a 3-4 do it now, the earlier the better. The recovery will go better the younger she is.

Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3183793)

FYI - Dee stated she would give me a refund. I could send Jazzy back or keep her and we were to work out a price. I asked Dee for a good faith deposit of $300.00. She finally withdrew the offer because she said she had no money. She told me I was backing her in a corner and she really did not have to do anything at all (per her contract).

We then discussed a pup from different lines. Thought for a bit and thought that would be ok. Then decided I wanted no part of another puppy from her due to her being dishonest. So I asked her not to contact me again.

Again, I am mearly stating facts as those who think they know everything about this situation do not.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3183798)

It could have been prevented entirely, had she just told the truth when asked the question..

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183783)

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183802)

In # 15 it was not stated the offer was retracted, so this is new to all of us.

You are right, Those who think they know everything about this situation do not, that is exactly why this should be settled between you and Dee, not You, Dee, and everyone who wants to read a gossip column.

No one can know but you and Dee.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183802)

In # 15 it was not stated the offer was retracted, so this is new to all of us.

You are right, Those who think they know everything about this situation do not, that is exactly why this should be settled between you and Dee, not You, Dee, and everyone who wants to read a gossip column.

No one can know but you and Dee.

Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3183806)

Ok Doodlepoo, if you would like me to forward the e-mails to you or anyone here just let me know. This way you can keep going.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183818)

Why? Why forward any e-mails to anyone? If you would have put this much effort in your research before buying, then we all wouldn't be enjoying this entertaining thread this evening!

What we can learn from this is don't take anyones word for anything. You don't just trust a stranger for any reason. As Mardelin says, Her stock was untested and unproven, so why choose her? Because it was convenient, cheap, impulsive,who know or cares for that matter. Someone contacted you just to give you this terrific information from the goodness of their heart, do you think it was because they cared about your breeding program? Or for you for that matter? As an upcoming breeder in this tough world don't be so naive. The person who contacted you is enjoying this, but dont' ever think it was because they cared about you. It was personal.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3183822)

I've already had this conversation with Renee and she's learned a hard lesson.
Yes, she was in a hurry and nieve. But, why did the breeder take advantage of that. Disreputable.


What do you mean the person that contacted Renee', it appears you know more about this person breeding program.

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183836)

Go back to post #1. It states it clearly that it was brought to her attention. So anyone who can read knows everything that I know.

So what is a reputable breeder? You?

Would you sell Renee a brood bitch only? You are speaking of a reputable breeder what about a responsible buyer of a brood bitch?

So we have unreputable(breeder) and irresponsible(buyer)

I don't know any reputable breeder that would sell the OP a dog. It is a small group of people that are willing to sell for brood only, so they don't have a ton of reputable breeders to choose from do they?

Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3183842)

Nasty! Very uncall for! :mad::mad::thumbdown:thumbdown

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183847)

I agree it is pretty forward and blunt, but it doesn't mean it is not true. I just know that most reputable breeders strive to ready dogs for the show ring, and they intrust some of their best to the best qualified buyers that agree and commit by contracts to show their lines. Everything else is sold as a pet to be spayed or nuetered, because if it doesn't meet breed standard than it is not to be bred. Wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3183852)

I do agree. Apologize for misunderstand. I thought you meant because Renee is not good doggie owner. Perhaps what you meant was a reputable breeder would not sell doggie with full registration unless they were their mentor?

Originally Posted by Doodlebop (Post 3183857)

That is what I meant. Also I just saw your post in Yorkie showing. You are the type of person that reputable breeders want to place their dogs. You are willing to take the time, educate yourself, ask questions, and then look for a dog. Breeding and reproduction is not your first priority, rather the love of the breed itself, and what comes with it. I watched the video sent to you by Daniel, All breeds have problems in their lines, you just have to find the best specimen you can. Will you be visiting America? Maybe the big specialty in New York?

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3183773)

You don't seem to be getting IT either. It's not about the money. It's the fact that the breeder LIED.

Once someone lies to me, I feel I can no longer believe anything they say. Eventhough some of what they say might be true, how do I know for sure what is the truth and what is a lie.

It's about honesty and ethics, not about the money.

Originally Posted by Yorkie3 (Post 3183489)

That may be an observation, but it was made in a cruel way....to harm someone further and there was no need for it. I just can't believe how so many of you keep on kicking a person when they are down.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3183696)

Ah! But, do you see another mistruth.....she's still breeding the same female, the female just wheped puppies on the 27th. That's on her website for the world to see.

Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3183698)

For one to put truth behind what is highlighted....one would have to ask Dee themselves....Dee's website, as of today, has all the photo's and Nursery info deleted....;)

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 3183937)

Actually if you look there is a whole website there. i did make it invisable last night for a few hours no reason other to keep all you guys who have been storming it, off. Same as before. Again, Sadie is the one that had the litter about this time last year and was removed from my program. She is not on there and was removed last year. Lacy is the one that just whelped.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3183940)

:rolleyes: you didn't do a very good job of making it invisible. i was still able to view the entire website by the magic of "google".

Originally Posted by Disney (Post 3183939)

Why would you not want people to see your pups if they not from same dam? :confused: Why the secrecy? :confused: