Woah. Yes, I belong to lots of breeding forums. I have been researching Yorkies for 4 years now and not only breeding forums but training and showing, diet forums, I could go on and on. And I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and I'm just not convinced at the time based on what I read from both of your posts that Dee knew at the time there was a problem. And once you brought it to her attention, she attempted to rectify it. And she did take care of the other situations. I do think that's worth noting and she did take her female out of her breeding program once she found out. Only you and her know for sure but I guess I'm just one of those people that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and I assume, sometimes incorrectly, that everyone is like me. I do think that you did the right thing by placing Jazzy.. And there have been many times through out my life that I think other people have "made mistakes" with me although I have not been in this particular situation, I usually try to forgive and move on. Not saying you need to do that, that's just the way I am.... Certainly not attacking you and I'm sorry I made you feel defensive.....

The # of dogs were brought out for various issues. One was Dee's inability or reluctance to refund, yes refund Renee's money.

However, in the comparison of my mentor to this particular breeder, well there is no comparison. My mentor breeds to improve the breed and always stands behind her breeding. All of her money does go back into her breeding, whether it be for medical care, food, and/or showing. Yes, she may have produced quite a few dogs over the years, but her breeding program is a bit larger breeding as most breeders of her caliber and doesn't over breed any female. Not so with the this breeder.

I appreciate everyone who has posted and commented.
This thread was to let folks know my experience with this breeder. In hopes that those reading could gain some knowledge about this breeder.

As you said you've not been around very long and a lot of us know more about what has gone on and have not said anything.

This problem was brought to Dee's attention over a year ago and only now, that it has been made public has she really attempted any restitution. Again, the whole purpose of this thread is not about money but, honesty and integrity......Renee' was lied too from the beginning.....

Correction - Dee was aware of Thang 1's open font. Who was prior to Jazzy.

You are missing the whole POINT!!! I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. Dee has been dishonest with me from the start. What part of that don't you get?:rolleyes:

As far as Dee taking the female out of her breeding program? When did she do that? June 27, 2010 the same day she just had her current litter.

For someone who has not even PM'ed Dee, you know an awful lot about her breeding program.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me?:confused: Now I'm lying too? Exactly what do I know about Dee's breeding program? :confused: That she took her female out of her breeding program? it's mentioned in this thread. And you know more than me apparently as I had no idea it was June 27th 2010....

Not attacking just making you a bit more aware.:) I really think Dee should come speak for herself.

Ah! But, do you see another mistruth.....she's still breeding the same female, the female just wheped puppies on the 27th. That's on her website for the world to see.

For one to put truth behind what is highlighted....one would have to ask Dee themselves....Dee's website, as of today, has all the photo's and Nursery info deleted....;)

Actually Mary there is nothing on her website anymore. ??:confused:

Not anymore.

Renee thank you for bring this situation public. It is very helpful for people looking to purchase a puppy from breeders on YT.

Why would you delete unless sign of guilt.

Also, I like to say thank you for bringing this to attention. I was one of those person who believe if you long time member of YT, you must be reputable breeder. It's important to research your breeder before you buy, no matter what website they belong too!

Thanks so much Disney, it is people like you who will and want do the research that need to be aware. I wish you the best of luck in your journey!:)

Glad you learned otherwise.

It'll be back, given time.

Thanks you so much! :)

I do not know Dee personally. I have read through this thread, and if this problem originated a year ago, why post now? The OP admitted that from the very beginning when she complained that Dee offered her a full refund, but it wasn't quick enough to suit her. Dee should not have to feel like she should have to share her situation about her unfortunate lack of money on this forum. Why? Because people like Disney get hung up on that. It is unfair to judge. She still offered it back, she should of taken back in installments even if it took a year, the offer was still there.

There are a lot of people that do not understand genetics. Dee has not been breeding very long. If you have 40 puppies out of a dog, and there is one open font, it is obviously a recessive trait in at least the male dog. Unless Jazzy was going to be bred to another dog with this recessive gene, who is to say she would have ever produced it? We don't know. We will never know.

Renee has been congratulated on her great start as a breeder, I do not agree. You should have done more research before you purchased your dog. You should have spoken to her vet before you ever bought a puppy from her. Dee has never produced a show dog out of her lines, and unless your purpose is to improve and meet breed standard why buy from her to begin with. ALL lines have there faults. Jazzy does not have an open font. The dog she sold her was in great health, grew to be beautiful, wonderful personality, great overall dog ect, What else can you ask for in a brood bitch?

She agreed to refund your money, without even making you return the original dog. Who else would do that? This dog did not produce a defect.

Renee, people like you who go on these forum half cocked are the reasons that Great breeders do not sell to people like YOU.

You don't know what you are talking about. You have a lot of nerve. How in the crap do you know Renee didn't talk to her vet? Seriously, where did you come from? BYE BYE!!

Excuse me, that was totally uncalled for. If she chose to post that information as an explanation for why things were the way they was with Renee, I have every right to question why she's breeding. I have no obligation to fall for her pity party. As other have stated, that money not hers. It her dogs.

It is 'people like me' who do NOT support dodgy breeders! :thumbdown

Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?

Wow, it just amazes me that all these people come on and they don't know Dee but they can say a lot about her.:rolleyes:

You can blame who you want but I have no problem with having any blame placed on me.

I have taken responsibility for my actions in this situation. Again, another one who misses the point to the whole thread.

The breeder was dishonest with me period

The difference between me and her is I have done the right thing by Jazzy.

You dont get it. Nothing can be settled. Not now, or ever. It is not about money. The fact is, she lied and with held information about her lines. What is so hard about that? Pretty sure this thread was JUST started because Dee just returned to Yorkie Talk after leaving when all this happened. So, obviously, Renee would feel the need to let people know. That is her right!

[QUOTE=Doodlebop;3183745]Because she said!!

She didn't get the vets number until after she already had the dog, read the entire thread!!

You received a great dog didn't you? Who bred that dog?

Does she really deserve this sort of treatment when this could have been settled a year ago?[/QUOTE]

It would have been done a year ago. But after learning as much as I have in that year about Dee and her breeding program I am glad I waited.

In Renee's defense, Renee chose not to bring this up until now because she wanted Dee back on the forum. Yes, Dee resigned her membership when this brought to the surface back in November. She feared retribution at that time. I commend Renee for waiting until Dee produced another litter out of that same dog, after she told her she would spay the bitch and take her out of her breeding program.

You say Dee is new to breeding, however, shouldn't be breeding at all if she doesn't understand or know about genetics. However, she states she knows quite a bit as her husband has been breeding for 40 years.

It's not 1 open fontanel but, 4 with present in a grand pup......She has claimed they all closed and today she admitted that it has not.....

Renee has already admitted she is responsible for her part in not doing the research. But, we all know it is the responsibility of the seller to reveal all. One should not have to dig out the breeder. One would expect if a question is asked the truth be provided and the buyer have the choice to say no. However, there are those breeders that always attempt to present themselves as something they are not in attempts to fool the unsuspecting public. All these things make up a disreputable breeder.

Renee was not offerred payments she was offerred a puppy back, Renee refused because the trust was already lost.....

She is a great dog. A great dog with LP. Diagnosed before I got her and my vet confirmed in January. Something else I wasnt planning on mentioning but you people need to Shut your trap when it doesn't involve you.

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You don't seem to be getting IT either. It's not about the money. It's the fact that the breeder LIED.

Once someone lies to me, I feel I can no longer believe anything they say. Eventhough some of what they say might be true, how do I know for sure what is the truth and what is a lie.

It's about honesty and ethics, not about the money.

In post # 15 Renee states that Dee offered her money back, but could not get it immediatly. In # 9 she stated she was going to replace her with a puppy and she had refused and had told her not to contact her anymore.

I just wanted to get that out there. Mardelin you are right. Dee should have been more knowledgeable about her own lines, and people should know more about genetics. I see why she did not want another puppy, but she she should have taken the money.

Dee messed up, by selling any dog with unlimited registration. You just can't sell to breeders anymore.

Baxters mom, It is unneccessary to be nasty on this site. You are opening another can of worms intentionally bashing this dog that you love so much trying to hurt the breeder, Why?

You got a great deal and a great dog without any of the suffering.

Renee you did what you felt was right by spaying and placing this dog. I do not agree with your post only because of #9 and # 15. She did mess up, you were inconvenienced, but she did try to make it right. You openly refused. When one does make a mistake and they try to make it right, you can't erase the mistake only try to make up for it.