Dont buy from these people.

[omichka]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

This is a very false statement
I know a lot of fantastic breeders that do advertise on puppyfind and kiijii and some of the other places. Not everyone that sells on there are puppymills

I gave you that advice before, but you start arguments again. Educate yourself about reputable FANTASTIC breeders. Right now seems like you either don't know anything about this subject or just one of them, sorry.
I did send many approvals. BTW, just send names of those fantastic breeders, can you? and we will see how fantastic they are....

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by omichka

I gave you that advice before, but you start arguments again. Educate yourself about reputable FANTASTIC breeders. Right now seems like you either don't know anything about this subject or just one of them, sorry.
I did send many approvals. BTW, just send names of those fantastic breeders, can you? and we will see how fantastic they are....

Please dont use this as an excuse to fight. I am doing all I know to try to get a puppy mill stopped. Alot of us are doing the only things we know how. I am sure there are good breeders who sell on sites like this and also who ship but we need to focus on the ones who arent.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Please dont use this as an excuse to fight. I am doing all I know to try to get a puppy mill stopped. Alot of us are doing the only things we know how. I am sure there are good breeders who sell on sites like this and also who ship but we need to focus on the ones who arent.

Sorry, but buying from a website is no different than buying from a pet store, while good breeders have websites they don't sell their dogs from the site, they need to interview you, as well. Remember, closing down one website doesn't not close the puppy mill down. They just open a new website. The HSUS says:

Please don’t ever buy a dog without personally visiting where he or she was born and raised. Take the time now to find the right breeder and you’ll be thanking yourself for the rest of your dog’s life. http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/Good_breeder.pdf

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Sorry, but buying from a website is no different than buying from a pet store, while good breeders have websites they don't sell their dogs from the site, they need to interview you, as well. Remember, closing down one website doesn't not close the puppy mill down. They just open a new website. The HSUS says:

That is not what I was saying what I meant was they do have websites to advertise. I didnt mean they sell from there. I am sure the reputable ones want to meet the buyers and make sure their babies are going to good homes. Please dont misunderstand and take what I say out of context. I just want to see these places stopped and trying to do my small part.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by omichka

I gave you that advice before, but you start arguments again. Educate yourself about reputable FANTASTIC breeders. Right now seems like you either don't know anything about this subject or just one of them, sorry.
I did send many approvals. BTW, just send names of those fantastic breeders, can you? and we will see how fantastic they are....

I didn't say there are ALL good breeders on puppyfind, but, I know personally a lot of MY FRIENDS and even my biewer breeder that put their pups on there, and I may use puppyfind myself, there are also breeders on here that have their dogs on puppyfind, so believe what you want, not all people on there are puppymills, and if I advertise on there, believe me, I'm not a puppymill. Maybe you had better get a little more educated, I'm sure I've been around much longer than yourself! Scrapindee on here sells her biewers on puppyfind, she's NOT a puppymill, and there are other good breeders off this site that also sell theirs on there.

[scrapindee]

Well I guess I will jump in here. When I first started with the Biewers, I met many wonderful folks through Puppyfind....I learned about the breeders in Germany, in Russia, and here in the U.S. I learned about all the different registeries and show venues through Puppyfind. I learned that there are both good and bad folks on Puppyfind, sometimes there are bad folks here on YT and other times I have made friends long before someone buys a puppy or dog from me. I learned about the pedigrees. And I learned to ask so many questions whether I'm buying or I'm selling.

I have always had an open invitation for anyone to come and meet Team Furry- -and many of you have been to my home. I own no kennels, all my dogs in my home sleep in our bed. I usually have one or both of the parents in my home for visitors to see--there are no secret places for me to stash puppies or dogs. I do reference checks on my buyers, google earth to see where you live and most of my buyers are either referrals, other breeders, come from YT, or repeat customers.

I think that Puppyfind, a referral, a website, a dog show ALL can be the right place to meet a breeder. I don't refer folks to stores that sell animals.

Ask to talk to the breeder's references, vet, past buyers...after all a good breeder is going to have as many questions of you as you should have for them.....

And if you have a red flag or two--don't buy from them.....just as I go with my gut if the buyer seems to raise my red flags......

Best advice, is get a referral from someone who has a dog you like....

[Carterna]

nanahas3:
thanks for the heads up!

ladysmom:
i have never seen this list! Thanks for the resource! Bookmarked!

[nanahas3]

Thank you scrapin that is what I was trying to say I know there are good and bad on that site... My only concern was this puppy mill and trying to stop them from being able to or want to run adds there. I didnt start this thread to start another fight on YT or to be made to feel stupid because I was uninformed and bought from a puppy mill. I would never again but yes it was my bad to do so before. Doesnt mean I would not like to save the puppies that are still there.

[omichka]

Oh, now I see... You always mention about puppy mills, while I am speaking about backyard breeders too. I haven't say ALL puppy mills there. Another part are backyard breeders, or just those who are not so reputable. You have wrong idea about reputable breeders, this is clear.
I am not surprised. Just a few days ago, I was listening some of those, who called themselves reputable breeders, however, their kennels include 60 + dogs, they sell them to pet stores and online (yep, puppyfind, craigslist, kijji, whatever). They called themselve reputable breeders. No comments. If they feel better about themselves that way, that's fine, who cares, they are still not.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by omichka

Oh, now I see... You always mention about puppy mills, while I am speaking about backyard breeders too. I haven't say ALL puppy mills there. Another part are backyard breeders, or just those who are not so reputable. You have wrong idea about reputable breeders, this is clear.
I am not surprised. Just a few days ago, I was listening some of those, who called themselves reputable breeders, however, their kennels include 60 + dogs, they sell them to pet stores and online (yep, puppyfind, craigslist, kijji, whatever). They called themselve reputable breeders. No comments. If they feel better about themselves that way, that's fine, who cares, they are still not.

I am not here to fight with you or anyone else. I come to YT to be educated and meet other Yorkie lovers. I have said numerous times I just want to do my part but it seems to me you insist on wanting me to feel stupid for buying from them. I am sorry dont mean to be rude but I have seen u do this to others on different threads. It is not pleasant and you really should stop. We are not stupid or uneducated people. We just were uninformed.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by omichka

Oh, now I see... You always mention about puppy mills, while I am speaking about backyard breeders too. I haven't say ALL puppy mills there. Another part are backyard breeders, or just those who are not so reputable. You have wrong idea about reputable breeders, this is clear.
I am not surprised. Just a few days ago, I was listening some of those, who called themselves reputable breeders, however, their kennels include 60 + dogs, they sell them to pet stores and online (yep, puppyfind, craigslist, kijji, whatever). They called themselve reputable breeders. No comments. If they feel better about themselves that way, that's fine, who cares, they are still not.

Could you maybe write this in English so I can figure out what you are trying to say here?

[DanicaBraggs]

We rescued our Chihuahuas from a Puppy Mill.It made the News and everything.In all 56 dogs were rescued,we adopted our two chis from the Shelter that took them in.They can be very unhealthy and need lots of care.Good luck on your puppy I hope he grows up without any problems.We got Jasper (our Yorkie baby)from my Aunt in Indiana she breeds her females with different studs every other year.Jasper was the last liter my aunt was going to do she was retiring her two females after 4 yrs. of breeding them.Jasper is so spoiled and we are grateful to be able to get him.He has brought a lot of joy into our lives.

[omichka]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I just want to see these places stopped and trying to do my small part.

Please, read this article. Do more

HOW TO REPORT A PUPPY MILL

So here is a list of a few places you can contact ...

1. AKC (American Kennel Club)
2. Local Humane Society
3. County Dept of Health
4. State Dept of Agriculture
5. Zoning Commission
6. Attorney General’s Office
7. County Auditor’s Office

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UAPM: Report a Puppy Mill

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by omichka

Oh, now I see... You always mention about puppy mills, while I am speaking about backyard breeders too. I haven't say ALL puppy mills there. Another part are backyard breeders, or just those who are not so reputable. You have wrong idea about reputable breeders, this is clear.
I am not surprised. Just a few days ago, I was listening some of those, who called themselves reputable breeders, however, their kennels include 60 + dogs, they sell them to pet stores and online (yep, puppyfind, craigslist, kijji, whatever). They called themselve reputable breeders. No comments. If they feel better about themselves that way, that's fine, who cares, they are still not.

Alot of the points that you are making are VERY good points. I admire that you are educating people about puppymills and bad breeders, but I think that if you posted in a nicer way (not so condenscending) people would be more willing to listen to you.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by omichka

Please, read this article. Do more

HOW TO REPORT A PUPPY MILL

So here is a list of a few places you can contact ...

1. AKC (American Kennel Club)
2. Local Humane Society
3. County Dept of Health
4. State Dept of Agriculture
5. Zoning Commission
6. Attorney General’s Office
7. County Auditor’s Office

New Page 1

UAPM: Report a Puppy Mill

You know what I think all you do is try to start fights on here. I am not stupid and I have read those sites and I have contacted those people so get a life I am sorry but I have had enough of your condensending opinions. Please excuse my anger everyone else.