Beware! - Page 2 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

treasurebeauty · 08-12-2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rerun201

Does anyone else wonder who the show breeder is who emailed her?

If you wanna know who the breeder is, just go see the thread I have of my story with her. The thread is call " is this right to do?" and you can click on my account name, and see all the post I am with, then you will find it.

I mentioned her name in that thread about my story, and she get mad, and tell me that she gonna suit me for slander her.

I really don't know what she is thinking. What she did is not right, but she is one said she gonna suit me??

Rerun201 · 08-12-2009, 02:19 PM

I know the name of the breeder you dealt with. I wonder who the show breeder is who emailed her to tell her she was being talked about on here. It seems that when there's a thread like this talking about a less than quality breeder, they miraculously appear on here to defend themselves. Makes me a little uncomfortable to know that someone is "tattling" on conversations on here. As for her suing you, in my experience, that's what people cry when they don't have a leg to stand on and are trying to scare someone. Kind of like a bully would do

If you're telling the truth about someone, no lawsuit exists. I really do wish you luck on this - it must be absolutely maddening!!

treasurebeauty · 08-12-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rerun201

I know the name of the breeder you dealt with. I wonder who the show breeder is who emailed her to tell her she was being talked about on here. It seems that when there's a thread like this talking about a less than quality breeder, they miraculously appear on here to defend themselves. Makes me a little uncomfortable to know that someone is "tattling" on conversations on here. As for her suing you, in my experience, that's what people cry when they don't have a leg to stand on and are trying to scare someone. Kind of like a bully would do

If you're telling the truth about someone, no lawsuit exists. I really do wish you luck on this - it must be absolutely maddening!!

Yes, I agree. It really make me uncomfortable to know that someone is tattling on conversation here. That's why at the very beginning, I really don't want to mention her name.

I am mad about what I am going through now. But I really feel sad for this poor puppy. He is a good puppy, just not the quality I am expecting. He is doing great with my other puppy/dog.

Sugar's Mom · 08-12-2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treasurebeauty

Yes, I agree. It really make me uncomfortable to know that someone is tattling on conversation here. That's why at the very beginning, I really don't want to mention her name.

I am mad about what I am going through now. But I really feel sad for this poor puppy. He is a good puppy, just not the quality I am expecting. He is doing great with my other puppy/dog.

The very same thing happened last week or the week before when someone called a show breeder and told her she was being talked about. Don't feel bad about this because it is your right and your DUTY to warn others about someone that did you wrong. But, I agree with mary (Mardelin) the puppy has great possibilities. Your puppy may not be what you expected but it could end up being a very nice dog. I, too, have had some ugly ones that turned out to be the prettiest.

Peabody · 08-12-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treasurebeauty

If you wanna know who the breeder is, just go see the thread I have of my story with her. The thread is call " is this right to do?" and you can click on my account name, and see all the post I am with, then you will find it.

I mentioned her name in that thread about my story, and she get mad, and tell me that she gonna suit me for slander her.

I really don't know what she is thinking. What she did is not right, but she is one said she gonna suit me??

Here's a link to information on defamation law in California:
California Defamation Law | Citizen Media Law Project

Arzel36 · 08-12-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rerun201

I know the name of the breeder you dealt with. I wonder who the show breeder is who emailed her to tell her she was being talked about on here. It seems that when there's a thread like this talking about a less than quality breeder, they miraculously appear on here to defend themselves. Makes me a little uncomfortable to know that someone is "tattling" on conversations on here. As for her suing you, in my experience, that's what people cry when they don't have a leg to stand on and are trying to scare someone. Kind of like a bully would do

If you're telling the truth about someone, no lawsuit exists. I really do wish you luck on this - it must be absolutely maddening!!

Totally agree, its a **** digrace, that there are peoples on here that will go and tell her things that are being stated on this forum!

treasurebeauty · 08-12-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peabody

Here's a link to information on defamation law in California:
California Defamation Law | Citizen Media Law Project

Thanks!!^^ This really help^^

I was confused about the law, but this website explained very detailed^^

Defamation: Defamation is the general term for a legal claim involving injury to one's reputation caused by false statements of fact and includes both libel and slander. The crux of a defamation claim is falsity. Truthful statements that harm another's reputation will not create liability for defamation (although they may open you up to other forms of liability if the information you publish is of a personal or highly private nature).

So I guess as long as we only state true fact, then we are all good^^

FlDebra · 08-12-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treasurebeauty

Thanks!!^^ This really help^^

I was confused about the law, but this website explained very detailed^^

Defamation: Defamation is the general term for a legal claim involving injury to one's reputation caused by false statements of fact and includes both libel and slander. The crux of a defamation claim is falsity. Truthful statements that harm another's reputation will not create liability for defamation (although they may open you up to other forms of liability if the information you publish is of a personal or highly private nature).

So I guess as long as we only state true fact, then we are all good^^

That's right -- slander, libel, defamation all require untrue statements. As long as you state facts, there is nothing anyone can do to you. I appreciate your candor. i know you were reluctant to name the breeder but it is important to let people know. If that hernia is pea-sized, that lady must have some kind of prize-winning garden! No self-respecting vet with a lick of sense could have missed that hernia. To say it is not genetic, so not covered and not worth mentioning is crazy too. A broken leg, neck or back would not be genetic either, would she also fail to mention or guarantee them?

I hope as Sugarsmom said is possible, this puppy turns around and becomes the best looking adult yorkie ever. You deserve an Ugly Duckling story after all of this! The hernia is still a concern and if it needs repair, I still think this breeder should "breeder-up" (my own play on "man-up/cowboy-up, etc.) and pay the bill! If she has any integrity, she will. I am not holding my breath.

AHicks99 · 08-17-2009, 09:20 AM

It is funny how Tiffany only pops up to defend herself. And its even funnier how she always blames the buyer. Come on these dogs are coming from you. Take full responsibilty. Stop lying already. You only have show dogs because of your lies. That is the only way you can afford them is by taking other peoples money, breeding sick dogs, selling sick dogs. I am sure many more dogs have seen the likes of you. Its only a matter of time before she moves again. Good luck to you all and hope you find happy healthy babies from here on out. Remember you told me the STUD you were sending me was from CH lines what a bunch of BS The dogs like great great grandmothers brother was the only CH. Oh yeah you remember I was supposed to get a 4 month old puppy. Then you send me an older dog with only one testicle! Ring a bell!!! How many other families have you screwed??? Or should I say how many other dogs have you done this to? Its not right to breed dogs for you own selfish reasons. Think about the life the dogs face at your hand!

Im sure her next post will read something about her faith and how God knows and so on......... I pray everday for her and especially for the dogs she come sin contact with. She also or she says her husband breeds a bully breed can you imagine that??? Go figure. I feel sorry for the Dogs!

Nancy1999 · 08-17-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tisheayorkies

For the love of god, first of all, i never sold a teacup, i dont even use those words! read my website, i have champion yorkies, im not a re-seller/pet store as i found out that tiny treasures is located in cali on here. the baby popped a hernia on his navel the size of a pea, my vet charted it, and said not to mess with it, it will probably go away on its own, his mother had a c-section and they hang forcept from the navel when taking them out, it can pop a tiny navel hernia, we never noticed it BECAUSE it was so small intil the day of the vet exam, he felt something tiny, it went in and then he said wait, he may have a tiny umblical hernia, thats how small it was, that we missed it because he the tiny tiny half a pea size didnt show up! I dont have different website, i have one, i dont have numerous emails, the website if you click it, takes you to my personal email, because i have it where you can send an email to my yahoo business account and it goes straight to my personal yahoo, that way im not checking the business and the personal. First of all I was the first here in years to breed to the number 1 yorkie for the past 3 yrs running, westiminister BOB for the past 3 yrs, i have proved myself and was picked the first in years to breed to this #1 yorkies in the world, so that should tell you something. I dont really get on here as you see, because is he said she said stuff, mainly gossip, but i had a show breeder email me..but really im not going to sit here and defend myself, angel knows she is in the wrong on the dog, but we all will choice what we want to believe, my dogs show for themselves..thank you and you all have fun on here!

I can't comment on the hernia incident, however in the link provided in post 3, it states:

Quote:

The AKC's Management Disciplinary Committee has suspended Ms. Tiffany Coburn, Ponca City, OK, from all AKC privileges for ten years, effective January 16, 2006, and imposed a $2000 fine for her failure to comply with AKC’s record keeping and dog identification requirements. (Multiple Breeds) http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/board_minutes/0206.pdf page 7.

So the AKC has suspended you for 10 years, and it's in the board of records, now that's not just gossip. My goodness, some puppymills only get suspended for a couple of years.

Dixies Mom · 08-17-2009, 03:28 PM

I find it quite the bit of poetic justice that Ms.Coburn and her partner/friend Ms. Toni Ledbetter are being reveiwed for the same thing, Lying!!!! People are fianally discovering the truth.

ARNOLD76 · 09-13-2009, 10:57 PM

My wife I went to purchase our new puppy... at this GOD AWFUL puppy mill in Bonham, Texas. We had spoken to this man, Steve, several times on the phone and we impressed by his nice words, chatty personality and love for his dogs. We also have a mutual friend who raved about her new puppy that she purchased from this man, Steve, at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes When we went to his home, We were completely taken off guard as to what we were walking in to. Regardless, my wife & I's mutual friend had never went to his home to witness the cruelty that this man Steve and his wife do to this poor animals. They have 3 to 5 dogs in this small, metal cages...resembling a hen house with their cages all along the sides of the wall, with the metal cage flooring exposed and opened for them the pee and poop. These poor dogs have wrist bands listing their name, birth date and purchase price; meanwhile they are covered in their urine and poop along with their other cage mates urine and pisces. Some of his dogs are almost a year old.. the ones he hasn't sold yet, this is probably because he lists them at $6,000.00 not including the poor older dogs who live their enitre life with this cruelty only for breeding purposes. My wife were interested in saving an older pup that hadn't sold, as he refers to as a 'rescue', she desperately wanted this sad dog, because she felt sorry that he never had a home. It was so heartbreaking to see that he was so scared when we took him from his small, compressed metal cage that he was shaking too death! Obviously, because he has lived his whole life in this small cage (shared with other dogs) that when we put him on the grass, he didn't know what to do, but shake and lay down... as he frantically wanted to only get back into the small cage that he was used to. My wife started crying, begging me to let her adopt them all (she has an amazing heart) Not only was I upset to see her like this, but I promised myself to let others know that this sad, grown man Steve chooses to make this his occupation. His neglect and cruelty to this poor dogs, who live in an in these small, compressed, matel cages (with nothing to lay on, including the ones who just gave birth in the cage) with also no air conditioner in 104 degree Texas weather, clearly shows his greed and cruelty and is undeniably noticed by anyone who encounters it. I pray that no-one will encourage this puppy mill by purchasing their new puppy from this man, Steve, at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes After we came home and researched our experience... it turns out whats worse is that this is this man Steve, who is the owener of Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes, is the brother of the infamous Jeff Danes of Yorkie Pup .com Home page. Teacup Toy & Standard Yorkies, who is also known to be notorious and for his cruelty to these poor dogs. If you strongly feel that you want to add your newest member of your family from this man, I can only ask for your to go to his home and witness the exact same cruelty that we had experienced to let that influence your decision. I can only hope that Steve and his wife will realize that their greed has become unethical, cruel and heartbreaking to these poor helpless animals. I also hope that they will find God in their heart and realize the difference between right and wrong. Please do not encourage this man Steve at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes

tisheayorkies · 09-24-2009, 09:21 AM

To all who is writing, first of all i have no reason to defend myself because most of this crap is lies. I really do not care of your opnion and if you all have time to sit at your computer and write over dramatic lies that have built up, then so be it. Alicia Hicks first of all bought a yorkie 7 years ago, and we ellaborate on this because she bought a male knowing he had one testicle and still used him for breeding on numerous occasions, so if i were her i wouldnt even post anything about someone elses breeding ethics. Second, I am not suspended by AKC, if you so called akc owners and breeders are up to date on your akc smarts, all you have to do is call AKC and ask them if i am suspended, i think this thread has proved more than once people calling them, and then coming back posting that no Tiffany Coburn is not suspended.
So you can keep posting that, bc its a lie, and i think is down right funny. As far as puppy mill, everyone is welcome to my home, my yorkie house probably cost more than the home you live in, it has the best surround system, tv's grooming room, whelping rooms, monitors, indoor outdoor runs, 300 dollars schroll beds from neimen marcus, im very confident in my program, and i only supply the best. I would also be more than willing to give anyone my two vets numbers to call and ask about the health of my yorkies. All yorkies of mine have been liver shunt tested, patella tested, heart test, eye clear, they have to clear this EVER before being breed. I give a health guarantee against life threating genetic defects, and i back it. For Treasure beauty post, i have offered numerous of time to refund her monies and return the dog, as of this day she was refunded the money and HAS NOT!! returned the dog to me, so now she has the money and my dog, which has been turned in to small claims to have my dog returned, i have the proof and will post if need to to show she was refunded the monies through paypal, so right now she is a theif! because she has my dog and her money??!! so if i were her i wouldnt even post. I raise yorkies, ask her how many breeds she raises?? she is a korean pet store owner that brokers puppies, which i found out from breeders in california after she received my dog. What else do i need to say, not much really, my dogs speak for theirselves, and my vet will back that no puppy has ever came back or have they been called by another vet stating a puppy had a genetic defect, still not to this day, and everyone who purchased a dog from me, has this vets number on their health cert! common sense..so if it was so, why havent any of your vets called my vet complaining with genetic defects??? as far as my husband, he has 2 westminister ch. sired bullmastiff, thats it! i dont need anyones money, my husband is an engineer and i a psychology major. so why would i need your money?? so continue with your threads, because they do not effect my breeding program any, over the past 18 yrs of breeding i realized you just cant make everyone happy, bc they are not happy with themselves. As i look at the picture of the puppy treasure beauty posted, i am overwhelmed with sadness, he looks matted and so dirty, unkeeped, it breaks my heart bc i know he is in a cage somewhere and not out running and playing. You received your money back on the umbiblical hernia, you need to send me my dog. As far as me and Toni Ledbetter relationship is concerned, she is my friend, and she takes great care of her yorkies, i have visited her home on 2 occasions, and anyone else who has been there, knows her dogs are very well cared for, when we breed, and that includes ALL OF YOU, breeding any live animals you take the risk with any animals regardless if parents are clear of health, you take the risk of one of the puppies not being healthy, these are placed in pet homes, and not for breeding. We put them in pet homes rather than to kill them. I have talked to numerous show breeders and handlers, and not one has said all their litters over the years produced all healthy pups, one of the best breeders in the world, on the akc committee told me herself that she has a BISS CH. male that had produced a liver shunt puppy, only one out of 15 litters he produced, so she told me anytime you breed animals its the same for humans you risk a health problem arrising, not one of you can state on her that every litter you had produced healthy show/breeding quality pups, if you say you have, then your a lie. All we can do is take the neccessary actions as far as health testing our breeders before breeding to help eliminate possible health issues. Its sad i have to come on here and respond to your nonsense, the reason i only come to explain is bc some ethical breeder friend lets me know your gossip, i dont come on here everyday like you all do and post, i have a program to run, dogs to get ready for show, and studying to do to finish my master in psychology, i have a family and a life, so i am saden for all you who have not a life, and feel that is so important to come on and gossip and lie, another thing is how do you find the time to stay on here, shouldnt you be taking care of your animals? because to care for them right, you dont have all day to spend on yorkie talk. I come on not to defend, i come to give my opinion on this. As far as Mrs.Roberts, i have never meet you, nor dealt yorkies with you or heard of your kennel. So please keep my name out of your mouth, i have no idea who you are, and you my friend have no right to judge me. I dont need to come on here and talk about God, your own christianity shows itself on these threads.

Dixies Mom · 09-24-2009, 09:33 AM

You are right, I do not know you, I let the heat of the moment get the better of me and I had no right there were just quite a few similarities, No excuse. I did see 3 of your dogs in Ms. Ledbetters kennel. I also agree that any puppy that is not breeding quality should be placed in a PET home and not sold as a breeder. A reasponsible ethical breeder would do what ever it takes above and beyond to make sure they are selling a puppy worthy of reproducing.

wcovey · 09-24-2009, 11:52 AM

People people people, i called akc on this thread, talked to akc customer service, mrs. coburn is NOT suspended..it was a mistake on akc parts, and they re-instated the coburns. Now on this issue with a knee, first of all you do not buy a 9wk old puppy as a breeder, if you do you take on the i hope factor, its i hope the heck this puppy can breed when its older, a puppy should never even be evaluated to be a breeder intil at least the age of 6mths old, and even then who can guarantee that it will grow up to breed?? Raising dogs is a roll of the dice game, and if you breed, then your playing it. You take all the risk involved in breeding living creatures. Second of all, if your puppy and dogs live in the house, get free run, then whos to say the puppy didnt get ran over by a older yorkie, or did he fall? was he dropped? at the grade your stating at his age, if you call the patella foundation, they will tell you if the dog was evaluated at 9wks old by a vet, they would of seen this problem, so did you take the dog to the vet when you returned home?? if so did the vet not see it then, when he check the murmur, because a grade 4-5 at 16 wks old would of been noticable at 9wks old by a vet. Now saying that, if it was not there at 9 wks old, then 99 percent it was done by injury, this is fact stated to me by the patella foundation. Now 3rd why would you even consider taking a puppy that little at that age??? is this ethical?? heck NO!! its not ethical, even if you do breed yorkies, this is not ethical to take a baby that small at that age..sounds to me like a bunch of unethical things happened on both parts, her allowing it, and you doing it! regardless who wrote a letter and you signing it, you both have to take responsibility in this, if the puppy would of stayed and it should have, then when it went to the vet for health cert. to fly, then the leg if it was at the grade you say, would of been noticed by the vet and this incident would of never happened, she would of been able to tell you that it had a heart murmur and bad legs, so before you start going bashing, you have to take FULL responsibility also in this matter because you took a TINY 9 wk old baby, without a full health exam to darn early, and signed a contract stating you would accept full responsibility, i cant say anymore than unethical dealings on both parties!

08-12-2009, 02:19 PM	#17
Rerun201 ♥Owned by Toby & Lola♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 524	I know the name of the breeder you dealt with. I wonder who the show breeder is who emailed her to tell her she was being talked about on here. It seems that when there's a thread like this talking about a less than quality breeder, they miraculously appear on here to defend themselves. Makes me a little uncomfortable to know that someone is "tattling" on conversations on here. As for her suing you, in my experience, that's what people cry when they don't have a leg to stand on and are trying to scare someone. Kind of like a bully would do If you're telling the truth about someone, no lawsuit exists. I really do wish you luck on this - it must be absolutely maddening!! __________________ Becky, Toby and Lola

08-17-2009, 09:20 AM	#24
AHicks99 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM USA Posts: 79	HaHa Tiffany you are getting what you deserve! It is funny how Tiffany only pops up to defend herself. And its even funnier how she always blames the buyer. Come on these dogs are coming from you. Take full responsibilty. Stop lying already. You only have show dogs because of your lies. That is the only way you can afford them is by taking other peoples money, breeding sick dogs, selling sick dogs. I am sure many more dogs have seen the likes of you. Its only a matter of time before she moves again. Good luck to you all and hope you find happy healthy babies from here on out. Remember you told me the STUD you were sending me was from CH lines what a bunch of BS The dogs like great great grandmothers brother was the only CH. Oh yeah you remember I was supposed to get a 4 month old puppy. Then you send me an older dog with only one testicle! Ring a bell!!! How many other families have you screwed??? Or should I say how many other dogs have you done this to? Its not right to breed dogs for you own selfish reasons. Think about the life the dogs face at your hand! Im sure her next post will read something about her faith and how God knows and so on......... I pray everday for her and especially for the dogs she come sin contact with. She also or she says her husband breeds a bully breed can you imagine that??? Go figure. I feel sorry for the Dogs!

09-13-2009, 10:57 PM	#27
ARNOLD76 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado, USA Posts: 4	beware of www.yourpup.com My wife I went to purchase our new puppy... at this GOD AWFUL puppy mill in Bonham, Texas. We had spoken to this man, Steve, several times on the phone and we impressed by his nice words, chatty personality and love for his dogs. We also have a mutual friend who raved about her new puppy that she purchased from this man, Steve, at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes When we went to his home, We were completely taken off guard as to what we were walking in to. Regardless, my wife & I's mutual friend had never went to his home to witness the cruelty that this man Steve and his wife do to this poor animals. They have 3 to 5 dogs in this small, metal cages...resembling a hen house with their cages all along the sides of the wall, with the metal cage flooring exposed and opened for them the pee and poop. These poor dogs have wrist bands listing their name, birth date and purchase price; meanwhile they are covered in their urine and poop along with their other cage mates urine and pisces. Some of his dogs are almost a year old.. the ones he hasn't sold yet, this is probably because he lists them at $6,000.00 not including the poor older dogs who live their enitre life with this cruelty only for breeding purposes. My wife were interested in saving an older pup that hadn't sold, as he refers to as a 'rescue', she desperately wanted this sad dog, because she felt sorry that he never had a home. It was so heartbreaking to see that he was so scared when we took him from his small, compressed metal cage that he was shaking too death! Obviously, because he has lived his whole life in this small cage (shared with other dogs) that when we put him on the grass, he didn't know what to do, but shake and lay down... as he frantically wanted to only get back into the small cage that he was used to. My wife started crying, begging me to let her adopt them all (she has an amazing heart) Not only was I upset to see her like this, but I promised myself to let others know that this sad, grown man Steve chooses to make this his occupation. His neglect and cruelty to this poor dogs, who live in an in these small, compressed, matel cages (with nothing to lay on, including the ones who just gave birth in the cage) with also no air conditioner in 104 degree Texas weather, clearly shows his greed and cruelty and is undeniably noticed by anyone who encounters it. I pray that no-one will encourage this puppy mill by purchasing their new puppy from this man, Steve, at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes After we came home and researched our experience... it turns out whats worse is that this is this man Steve, who is the owener of Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes, is the brother of the infamous Jeff Danes of Yorkie Pup .com Home page. Teacup Toy & Standard Yorkies, who is also known to be notorious and for his cruelty to these poor dogs. If you strongly feel that you want to add your newest member of your family from this man, I can only ask for your to go to his home and witness the exact same cruelty that we had experienced to let that influence your decision. I can only hope that Steve and his wife will realize that their greed has become unethical, cruel and heartbreaking to these poor helpless animals. I also hope that they will find God in their heart and realize the difference between right and wrong. Please do not encourage this man Steve at Yorkie Teacup and Toy Yorkies available we also breed Yorkie mix puppies as well as Maltese pups in Teacup and Toy sizes

09-24-2009, 09:21 AM	#28
tisheayorkies Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	Everyone has my email address To all who is writing, first of all i have no reason to defend myself because most of this crap is lies. I really do not care of your opnion and if you all have time to sit at your computer and write over dramatic lies that have built up, then so be it. Alicia Hicks first of all bought a yorkie 7 years ago, and we ellaborate on this because she bought a male knowing he had one testicle and still used him for breeding on numerous occasions, so if i were her i wouldnt even post anything about someone elses breeding ethics. Second, I am not suspended by AKC, if you so called akc owners and breeders are up to date on your akc smarts, all you have to do is call AKC and ask them if i am suspended, i think this thread has proved more than once people calling them, and then coming back posting that no Tiffany Coburn is not suspended. So you can keep posting that, bc its a lie, and i think is down right funny. As far as puppy mill, everyone is welcome to my home, my yorkie house probably cost more than the home you live in, it has the best surround system, tv's grooming room, whelping rooms, monitors, indoor outdoor runs, 300 dollars schroll beds from neimen marcus, im very confident in my program, and i only supply the best. I would also be more than willing to give anyone my two vets numbers to call and ask about the health of my yorkies. All yorkies of mine have been liver shunt tested, patella tested, heart test, eye clear, they have to clear this EVER before being breed. I give a health guarantee against life threating genetic defects, and i back it. For Treasure beauty post, i have offered numerous of time to refund her monies and return the dog, as of this day she was refunded the money and HAS NOT!! returned the dog to me, so now she has the money and my dog, which has been turned in to small claims to have my dog returned, i have the proof and will post if need to to show she was refunded the monies through paypal, so right now she is a theif! because she has my dog and her money??!! so if i were her i wouldnt even post. I raise yorkies, ask her how many breeds she raises?? she is a korean pet store owner that brokers puppies, which i found out from breeders in california after she received my dog. What else do i need to say, not much really, my dogs speak for theirselves, and my vet will back that no puppy has ever came back or have they been called by another vet stating a puppy had a genetic defect, still not to this day, and everyone who purchased a dog from me, has this vets number on their health cert! common sense..so if it was so, why havent any of your vets called my vet complaining with genetic defects??? as far as my husband, he has 2 westminister ch. sired bullmastiff, thats it! i dont need anyones money, my husband is an engineer and i a psychology major. so why would i need your money?? so continue with your threads, because they do not effect my breeding program any, over the past 18 yrs of breeding i realized you just cant make everyone happy, bc they are not happy with themselves. As i look at the picture of the puppy treasure beauty posted, i am overwhelmed with sadness, he looks matted and so dirty, unkeeped, it breaks my heart bc i know he is in a cage somewhere and not out running and playing. You received your money back on the umbiblical hernia, you need to send me my dog. As far as me and Toni Ledbetter relationship is concerned, she is my friend, and she takes great care of her yorkies, i have visited her home on 2 occasions, and anyone else who has been there, knows her dogs are very well cared for, when we breed, and that includes ALL OF YOU, breeding any live animals you take the risk with any animals regardless if parents are clear of health, you take the risk of one of the puppies not being healthy, these are placed in pet homes, and not for breeding. We put them in pet homes rather than to kill them. I have talked to numerous show breeders and handlers, and not one has said all their litters over the years produced all healthy pups, one of the best breeders in the world, on the akc committee told me herself that she has a BISS CH. male that had produced a liver shunt puppy, only one out of 15 litters he produced, so she told me anytime you breed animals its the same for humans you risk a health problem arrising, not one of you can state on her that every litter you had produced healthy show/breeding quality pups, if you say you have, then your a lie. All we can do is take the neccessary actions as far as health testing our breeders before breeding to help eliminate possible health issues. Its sad i have to come on here and respond to your nonsense, the reason i only come to explain is bc some ethical breeder friend lets me know your gossip, i dont come on here everyday like you all do and post, i have a program to run, dogs to get ready for show, and studying to do to finish my master in psychology, i have a family and a life, so i am saden for all you who have not a life, and feel that is so important to come on and gossip and lie, another thing is how do you find the time to stay on here, shouldnt you be taking care of your animals? because to care for them right, you dont have all day to spend on yorkie talk. I come on not to defend, i come to give my opinion on this. As far as Mrs.Roberts, i have never meet you, nor dealt yorkies with you or heard of your kennel. So please keep my name out of your mouth, i have no idea who you are, and you my friend have no right to judge me. I dont need to come on here and talk about God, your own christianity shows itself on these threads.

09-24-2009, 09:33 AM	#29
Dixies Mom YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 258	You are Right You are right, I do not know you, I let the heat of the moment get the better of me and I had no right there were just quite a few similarities, No excuse. I did see 3 of your dogs in Ms. Ledbetters kennel. I also agree that any puppy that is not breeding quality should be placed in a PET home and not sold as a breeder. A reasponsible ethical breeder would do what ever it takes above and beyond to make sure they are selling a puppy worthy of reproducing.

08-17-2009, 03:28 PM	#26
Dixies Mom YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 258	I find it quite the bit of poetic justice that Ms.Coburn and her partner/friend Ms. Toni Ledbetter are being reveiwed for the same thing, Lying!!!! People are fianally discovering the truth.

09-24-2009, 11:52 AM	#30
wcovey YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: murrieta, ca Posts: 9	I researched again.. People people people, i called akc on this thread, talked to akc customer service, mrs. coburn is NOT suspended..it was a mistake on akc parts, and they re-instated the coburns. Now on this issue with a knee, first of all you do not buy a 9wk old puppy as a breeder, if you do you take on the i hope factor, its i hope the heck this puppy can breed when its older, a puppy should never even be evaluated to be a breeder intil at least the age of 6mths old, and even then who can guarantee that it will grow up to breed?? Raising dogs is a roll of the dice game, and if you breed, then your playing it. You take all the risk involved in breeding living creatures. Second of all, if your puppy and dogs live in the house, get free run, then whos to say the puppy didnt get ran over by a older yorkie, or did he fall? was he dropped? at the grade your stating at his age, if you call the patella foundation, they will tell you if the dog was evaluated at 9wks old by a vet, they would of seen this problem, so did you take the dog to the vet when you returned home?? if so did the vet not see it then, when he check the murmur, because a grade 4-5 at 16 wks old would of been noticable at 9wks old by a vet. Now saying that, if it was not there at 9 wks old, then 99 percent it was done by injury, this is fact stated to me by the patella foundation. Now 3rd why would you even consider taking a puppy that little at that age??? is this ethical?? heck NO!! its not ethical, even if you do breed yorkies, this is not ethical to take a baby that small at that age..sounds to me like a bunch of unethical things happened on both parts, her allowing it, and you doing it! regardless who wrote a letter and you signing it, you both have to take responsibility in this, if the puppy would of stayed and it should have, then when it went to the vet for health cert. to fly, then the leg if it was at the grade you say, would of been noticed by the vet and this incident would of never happened, she would of been able to tell you that it had a heart murmur and bad legs, so before you start going bashing, you have to take FULL responsibility also in this matter because you took a TINY 9 wk old baby, without a full health exam to darn early, and signed a contract stating you would accept full responsibility, i cant say anymore than unethical dealings on both parties!