Bad Experience Sanjur in MN

[Sunnie]

Originally Posted by TinkSasLil

I dare to say there is NO breeder that would refund money or replace a puppy that was damaged at it's new home, obviously, by the purchaser, not the breeder. You can continue this distasteful argument, all you want, however, the truth is the truth. The purchasers own vet said it had a damaged growth plate, obviously from a fracture, if that puppy had a fractured leg, before leaving Sanjurs, it would be OBVIOUS to the new owner at that time of pick up. Trying to get money to pay for such an accident, that was not Sanjur's accident, but the new buyers, is a no brainer. If you purchased a puppy and three days later a car ran it over, would YOU call your breeder and want a refund, I THINK NOT!....

As for defending someone I know to be reputable, I will continue to do so, and will not take your unwarranted advice. Please don't feel that I need it either, I am a very good judge of character....it is obvious some others are not.

You mention you think Sanjur should defend herself on here, yet I see posts stating they think she should keep her mouth shut....well duh, has she posted anything?....no, that is why I felt the need to vocalize my opinion, just like the rest of you who have, seems as though, only your opinions mean anything?? I will continue my defense and maybe, just maybe, some of this will sink in.

I also see someone posted about puppy mills, making statements that are obviously, slated towards Sanjur.....I also see that same poster has a couple of yorkies, wonder if she got them from rescues, I doubt it. Sorry to hear her dog died of cancer and that she lost another one she purchased, however, this happens in our own families, with our children and loved ones.....if I get cancer at 30 or 40 years old, should I blame my parents, or the Dr who helped deliver me, or, or, or......things happen, we take chances with anything we buy, give birth to or whatever. There is a need for breeders and I feel this breeder has represnted herself to this community very well, the false accusations posted here, are just that, FALSE.

You know something? You are really rubbing me the wrong way with your twisting words and antagonizing attitude. There is NO reason to come on here and call someone a liar and to make rude comments about anyone who posts something that isn't the same opinion as you. You didn't even bother to read what I wrote above clarifying what I said. NO ONE told the breeder to shut up. You are just trying to twist things to your version. I have no idea whether the puppy was injured at the new owners or the breeders and furthermore I really don't care where it was injured. The OP has a right to review this breeder, good or bad without being called a liar. YOU are making it look even worse for this breeder.. IN MY OPINION (which I have every right to state) There is absolutely NO REASON for you to come on here and in your holier than thou attitutude put other people down. Your statement " I am a very good judge of character....it is obvious some others are not." was just PLAIN RUDE! I did not see one person on here post rude comments about YOUR character or anyone elses character. This review has become a review of YOU and your rudeness has not made things better for the breeder. I think your insinuating that you are the only one here with the ability to judge character was totally uncalled for. You stated YOUR side of the story.. we heard you! now let it go like the OP says she wants! sheesh!

Sorry admin.. I don't usually get into these things, but this is getting rediculous

[hartygirl]

You are wrong, there are breeders that will refund $ and take their dog back, due to injury, or health issue, they are here on YT. I would state their names but I find you a little angry at the moment!

I never refered to any health problems in my previous posts and the only time I mentioned $ was stating that it seems like that is all the breeder cares about. I still feel that way.

I still think you need to do a little research, not on the person you are defending, but look around here in the breeders section and do a search on health issues and puppys being returned. I think you will find that the OP is entitled to her opinion and was doing the best that she could for her puppy and came here to learn from and lean on other yorkie lovers. That is what we are all about. Please stay look and learn, no one is here to judge you or fight with you, who knows you might come out of this with a few friends!

[TinkSasLil]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

You know something? You are really rubbing me the wrong way with your twisting words and antagonizing attitude. There is NO reason to come on here and call someone a liar and to make rude comments about anyone who posts something that isn't the same opinion as you. You didn't even bother to read what I wrote above clarifying what I said. NO ONE told the breeder to shut up. You are just trying to twist things to your version. I have no idea whether the puppy was injured at the new owners or the breeders and furthermore I really don't care where it was injured. The OP has a right to review this breeder, good or bad without being called a liar. YOU are making it look even worse for this breeder.. IN MY OPINION (which I have every right to state) There is absolutely NO REASON for you to come on here and in your holier than thou attitutude put other people down. Your statement " I am a very good judge of character....it is obvious some others are not." was just PLAIN RUDE! I did not see one person on here post rude comments about YOUR character or anyone elses character. This review has become a review of YOU and your rudeness has not made things better for the breeder. I think your insinuating that you are the only one here with the ability to judge character was totally uncalled for. You stated YOUR side of the story.. we heard you! now let it go like the OP says she wants! sheesh!

Sorry admin.. I don't usually get into these things, but this is getting rediculous

You also stated: "Sounds to me like the breeder is the one on a tirade and would have been much better off by keeping her mouth shut instead of providing all kinds of details to other people to come on here and defend her.

To address your statement of YOUR OPINION, You did say she should shut up, it is written in your post....also, I never called people liars, instead, I am giving the other side of the story, maybe you just didn't want to hear it or maybe you didn't read that part of my post?.....Speaking of RUDE, when this breeders SITE was criticized, by several, what gave them the right to do that, we all have rights here, but I am seeing that only certain opinions are ALLOWED.

And as far as you telling me to stop posting about this matter, you must be the only one that has rights to "address" this matter, sorry your Honor!! Maybe taking some of your own advice, is advisable??

[TinkSasLil]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

You are wrong, there are breeders that will refund $ and take their dog back, due to injury, or health issue, they are here on YT. I would state their names but I find you a little angry at the moment!

I never refered to any health problems in my previous posts and the only time I mentioned $ was stating that it seems like that is all the breeder cares about. I still feel that way.

I still think you need to do a little research, not on the person you are defending, but look around here in the breeders section and do a search on health issues and puppys being returned. I think you will find that the OP is entitled to her opinion and was doing the best that she could for her puppy and came here to learn from and lean on other yorkie lovers. That is what we are all about. Please stay look and learn, no one is here to judge you or fight with you, who knows you might come out of this with a few friends!

To my fellow poster, I am not one bit ANGRY.....I find it interesting that many of the postings here, are so one sided, that they cannot even consider, that the person they are attacking, MAY be a wonderful breeder and the person seeking advice from this group, may have not told all the facts....of course she is entitled to her opinion, just like I am and many others are as well. Really all I have tried to say on here, is there is two sides to every story, but it seems to fall on deaf ears, NOW THIS IS MY OPINION. This thread is NOT ALL ABOUT ME, for goodness sake, if that is how some view it, they have just missed the boat entirely. I wanted people to understand we are innocent until proven guilty, however, some are strung up and hung out to dry with no defence, how sad is that?

I have no interest in looking up other breeders, I am sure that each has it's own situations they endure, my issue is not with them, however, I am sure there are wonderful breeders on this site...thank you however for the invitation to to learn from this group. I really think this issue should of been discussed and not been all accusations about someone. I find it interesting for sure.

[hartygirl]

They may seem one sided because what the idea of YT boils down to is the love and care of yorkies.
Sanjur might breed perfect yorkies, but once in a while things go wrong, maybe its not her fault, maybe it is. The reason that this topic got so heated is that there are a few things about her website and and practices that are kind of red flags. One being her sale prices, and the other, if it is true having so many dogs and keeping them in a barn of sorts. Now I have never been there, so I am not stating fact but if it is at all true, that is TOO many dogs to properly care for at once, not to mention breed them! The cost of flea prevention and heart worm prevention alone is staggering.
There are health guarantees sometimes (should be all the time) when puppies are sold, now I understand that if an injury occurred under the new owners supervision that in no way is the breeder responsible for that, but a breeder should breed to better the yorkshire terrier breed not to turn a profit. I would have hoped that she would want to take her dog back and not sell or give another in return if there was thought to be neglect on the purchasers behalf.
I have learned so much about this breed and its breeders after spending a while here on YT, it really is a valuable resource please dont close your mind to others, opinions are strong online and words are harsh but we can all learn from each other, maybe Sanjur can come on here and learn and share also.
I know that if breeders didn't exist I wouldn't have the two joys of my life and I know Sanjur provides that for a lot of people in no way is that a bad thing, but sometimes a good thing that turns into mass production and "all babies must find homes" isnt good at all.

[TinkSasLil]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

They may seem one sided because what the idea of YT boils down to is the love and care of yorkies.
Sanjur might breed perfect yorkies, but once in a while things go wrong, maybe its not her fault, maybe it is. The reason that this topic got so heated is that there are a few things about her website and and practices that are kind of red flags. One being her sale prices, and the other, if it is true having so many dogs and keeping them in a barn of sorts. Now I have never been there, so I am not stating fact but if it is at all true, that is TOO many dogs to properly care for at once, not to mention breed them! The cost of flea prevention and heart worm prevention alone is staggering.
There are health guarantees sometimes (should be all the time) when puppies are sold, now I understand that if an injury occurred under the new owners supervision that in no way is the breeder responsible for that, but a breeder should breed to better the yorkshire terrier breed not to turn a profit. I would have hoped that she would want to take her dog back and not sell or give another in return if there was thought to be neglect on the purchasers behalf.
I have learned so much about this breed and its breeders after spending a while here on YT, maybe Sanjur can come on here and learn and share also.
I know that if breeders didn't exist I wouldn't have the two joys of my life and I know Sanjur provides that for a lot of people in no way is that a bad thing, but sometimes a good thing that turns into mass production and "all babies must find homes" isnt good at all.

Hartygirl........you make some very valid points here, I have highlighted areas that I would like to address. First, I too, have three wonderful little fur balls, and love them to pieces.

I totally understand that THINGS happen, and I know she has set up and in place, agreements with new owners on health issues that occur due to genetic health, however, this may have not come under that that agreement, however, it should of been discussed, only with the breeder, and demands not made and postings not made of accusations. I agree that things get carried away when someone jumps the gun, so to speak.

She sold me puppies that were raised in her home, not in a barn. If her state check-ups are rated number one, why is this an issue with anyone on this topic?

I will leave it up to Sanjur, to vocalize here if she wishes. At this point, I am sure that she will see a lot of negative statements, without facts to back them up.....Thank you for your reply, I most certainly will take your encouragement and view other breeder issues, when I have time to do so on YT, to further educate myself on these issues. Education is valuable.

[Sunnie]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

I am going to do just what the OP asked and post no more about this, but I wanted to clarify what I said. When I said the breeder would have been better off keeping her mouth shut.. I did not mean she could not tell her side of the story and defend herself... I meant she should NOT be on the phone with other people who have absolutely nothing to do with the problem and share emails, etc with them in order to get them to come on here and fight her battle. Why isn't SHE here defending herself? This forum is for breeder reviews.. both good and bad. The OP has every right to report a bad experience. Just as you have every right to report a good experience. It just sits wrong with me that the breeder has shared detailed information about one of her customers with someone who is not involved at all. In fact, with more than one person. In my opinion, it does not make her look good at all. Now I am done with my opinion. And my opinion is not based on what the OP said at all.. it is based on what I see on her website. I wouldn't purchase a puppy there.. But that is MY opinion.. others can decide for themselves.

From your reaction, I have to assume that you never even bothered to READ this post at all. I NEVER once said the breeder should shut up. What I said was "How do these other people know "all the facts", "all the vets reports", etc? Sounds to me like the breeder is the one on a tirade and would have been much better off by keeping her mouth shut instead of providing all kinds of details to other people to come on here and defend her." (based on YOU and one other person stating that she obviously complained to you and let you read personal emails, etc from the OP)
THEN, I posted the above quoted post to clarify that I did NOT intend it to mean the breeder should shut up. But OBVIOUSLY (as you would say) you didn't bother to read and acknowledge that post.... instead you keep ranting about it.
You may be an excellent breeder with the worlds most perfect dogs, but "Doth does protest too much" Like I said, I don't know, nor care who is at fault, it is just the rudeness that you have shown that turns me off. You will notice that I did not post in this thread at all to defend either the OP or the breeder BEFORE you came on here and so rudely started insulting the OP and the rest of our intellegence. I read the OP's post, I read your posts, I looked at the website, and saw red flags which had absolutely nothing to do with the problem with the OP's puppy. My opinion that I would not buy a puppy from this breeder has absolutely nothing to do with what the OP said, or what you have said.. It is based on MY OBSERVATIONS. There is NO reason ever ever ever to be as rude as you have been. and funny, that I am not the only one with that opinion.... but oh, I forgot.. in your words "I am a very good judge of character....it is obvious some others are not."
And I beg to differ that you did not claim the OP was lying..
remember saying this? It seems your comments are half-truths....
and this? the false accusations posted here, are just that, FALSE.
and this? saying totally false things about her

and lastly, I never said you couldn't post. I ASKED why you could not let it go. I didn't say do not post. and I did NOT address the OP's story vs YOUR story at all. No one is even saying anything about the breeder at all.. Did you notice that all of the posts lately have been about your rudeness? Yet, you keep coming right back and bashing the OP and stating that everything she says is false. get over it!

[red98vett]

so this 'breeder' claims all her dogs live inside - yet they live OUTSIDE ?

that alone is enough for me not to trust them - they can say what they want on a website but unless you actually SEE where they raise the puppies -then don't believe what you read on a website. (unless you get it from a very trusted source that a breeder IS what they say they are)

[Tahlula]

Hi!

I'm new to YT (and a new Yorkie mom) When I saw your post I was so sad! I got my little girl from SanJur back in April of this year and thankfully have not had any issues. Would you consider SanJur a puppy mill? I would feel awful if I supported that when I have a T-Shirt that says "Stop Puppymills"! When I went to look at my little girl there were several adults and pups in the house, I wonder if this outdoor kennel is a new thing? I hope your little one is going to be OK, my thoughts will be with you ~

[chickiepooh]

Tahlula - I hope you enjoy your new puppy. I love my little girl. Isn't it too bad posting my bad experience has caused such an uproar! I stated my opinions and a volcano has erupted. The breeder isn't a bad person, she just needs to work on her business practices. This is her job so I guess she has to produce and sell a certain amount of puppies to pay the bills. She knew she would have sold me another puppy. In fact I almost bought two until I realized that would have cost me 4 grand! Her puppies seem to be good quality pets. She seems to breed for size because a little dog is what the demand seems to be right now. She said she was breeding the tri-colored down to a smaller size. I don't think I would consider her a puppy mill. That would only be the case is she sold her puppies to pet shops. I don't know how she sells all of those pups but I don't think she would sell to pet shops. Do you? All of her dogs and puppies were out in the building, except for the one puppy with a broken leg. Maybe when she runs out of room in her building she moves some in the house? I just wish the insanity would stop here. I am beginning to think this is a place to argue instead of conversing with fellow Yorkie lovers about our wonderful furbabies.

[Tahlula]

Hi Chickiepoo,

As far as I know she does not sell to pet shops. She came highly recommended by a few people in the Wayzata area so I thought with so many referrals she must be treating the mom's and dad's with TLC. To me, that is just as important as how the pups are being treated. I think you did the right thing by telling of your experience, I think it's good that the public is aware of these things. It just breaks my heart to think of these dogs sitting outside in a cage/kennel during this hot weather, much less during the winter! My little one is so incredibly sweet with personality plus! She is my first Yorkie so I'm learning as I go Is yours attached at your hip so to speak? I just cannot believe how attached my Tahlula is to me! She always has her eye on me and when I leave she is standing in the same spot waiting for me to return, so cute!
What is the prognosis for your little one?

[Tahlula]

Hi Chickiepoo,

As far as I know she does not sell to pet shops. She came highly recommended by a few people in the Wayzata area so I thought with so many referrals she must be treating the mom's and dad's with TLC. To me, that is just as important as how the pups are being treated. I think you did the right thing by telling of your experience, I think it's good that the public is aware of these things. It just breaks my heart to think of these dogs sitting outside in a cage/kennel during this hot weather, much less during the winter!
My little one is so incredibly sweet with personality plus! She is my first Yorkie so I'm learning as I go Is yours attached at your hip so to speak? I just cannot believe how attached my Tahlula is to me! She always has her eye on me and when I leave she is standing in the same spot waiting for me to return, so cute!
What is the prognosis for your little one?

[chickiepooh]

Tahlula -
I am glad you found good referrals. If you don't have an issue of an kind, she is okay to deal with. My little girl follows me everywhere too. The prognosis is on hold. The vet said we really have to wait until she is done growing to decide what can be done. He also suggested having a specialist at the University take a look at the x-rays and her. I am pursuing that option too. Since her growth plate damage is causing her leg to grow short and bowed it is hard to say at this time what can be done, if anything. Since day one that I got her she lifts her leg when she lowers her head to drink or eat. She has been compensating with her other leg to walk and run.

[chickiepooh]

Okay... now I got a call from the sheriff's office with a complaint from the breeder that I am trying to blackmail her. The deputy could hardly stop laughing to get the words out. He said she had no case whatsoever but just had to call me to follow up on the stupidity. Okay, so what did I do wrong here? Nothing! She said I have made a threat and a demand for 1000 dollars. I, in no way asked for anything, nor did I threaten her. I only stated to her my options as the lemon law states it. But never asked for anything. I even told her I was not pursuing anything because it is just not worth the effort.

[omega]

Good grief you guys... is all this arguing accomplishing anything? The OP stated something... her experience and opinion. She doesn't need to be attacked for that.

FYI - I would back up her statements in having dealt with a "breeder" who works closely with Sanjur kennel. They trade studs, etc... This one also keeps her dogs (several pairs of breeders) in a pole building. Most of them are debarked and shaved down so much you wouldn't be able to tell what type of hair they have. In this area her operation is definitely called a puppy mill. I have heard that from dog trainers in the area.

One I got is a 12 # Yorkie who was supposed to be 7#. Fine - she wasn't what I was told she would be but I love her and decided not to return her. Another one (I know, I was naive and stupid) was very little, had to have surgery ($1,500 total) and this breeder was rude to me and wouldn't talk to me about it and said it must have happened at my house. The vet disagreed and said it was an inherited condition. On the other back leg she has a grade 3 LP.

I just find it interesting that the two breeders who work closely together seem to have some of the same shady practices.

Why the heck can't people here just share their opinions/experiences without being condemned and having their words twisted? IMO, it's threads like these that send people running from YT. (yes, I know some of them on other sites)

Can't everyone agree to disagree an leave it at that? Now the sheriff is involved? How petty can some people get? Move on and spend some time with your own dogs instead of bashing the OP. Please.

I would love to get another Yorkie but I will not be getting one in this area again. I will look elsewhere.