BEWARE OKLAHOMA Starmye Halpain

[ozegirl]

three!
all very healthy and happy!
china,patrick and amor are all adorable and even my friends have commented on how pudgy they are!
they were all current on all their vacines , and after traveling to my house i could still smell the shampoo they had used on them this morning.
this lady doesn't harm her puppies some lady just had ONE bad experience and is running her name into the dirt.

-steph

And don't be ridiculous whoever posted that piece about cages,
i've been to the place where the puppies are raised and thier is a big difference between cages and play pens for the protection of the puppies.

[LDandPasquale]

i find it very suspicious when someone signs up to Yorkietalk and their first 3 posts are about the bad breeder and how they really are a "good breeder" . Sounds a little fishy to me.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by ozegirl

three!
all very healthy and happy!
china,patrick and amor are all adorable and even my friends have commented on how pudgy they are!
they were all current on all their vacines , and after traveling to my house i could still smell the shampoo they had used on them this morning.
this lady doesn't harm her puppies some lady just had ONE bad experience and is running her name into the dirt.

-steph

And don't be ridiculous whoever posted that piece about cages,
i've been to the place where the puppies are raised and thier is a big difference between cages and play pens for the protection of the puppies.

I understand your wanting to defend your friend but if you read this whole thread it's much more than "some lady" that had a bad experience.....

There are several posters with sick pups and if you google their name I'm sure you'll find more....Consider yourself fortunate your pups are healthy and remain so....Every once in a while a healthy one will slip through these bad breeders........

I will never understand a person wanting to defend another person (friend or not) who does such heinous things to the most vulnerable and innocent for their own selfish, greedy, and evil purposes......In my book that makes that person just as guilty.......

[ozegirl]

you think to hard!.lol
i just bought my puppies a few weeks ago and was trying to find other people who had gotten puppies from her too, but when i found all this mess i wanted to jump to her defence!

[ozegirl]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

I understand your wanting to defend your friend but if you read this whole thread it's much more than "some lady" that had a bad experience.....

There are several posters with sick pups and if you google their name I'm sure you'll find more....Consider yourself fortunate your pups are healthy and remain so....Every once in a while a healthy one will slip through these bad breeders........

I will never understand a person wanting to defend another person (friend or not) who does such heinous things to the most vulnerable and innocent for their own selfish, greedy, and evil purposes......In my book that makes that person just as guilty.......

I feel easy in defending this woman, I've met her personaly and visited her place and see no basis or solid evidence to support any of the slander said on this site.

Now allow me to reiterate, i understand that some people may not get what they are looking for but, did you know that in most buisness classes the students are taught that for every upset customer they will tell 10 friends but every satisfied customer may only tell 2 or 3?

I am here to attempt to even those odds and let people know that haven't done buisness though starmye that they should atleast feel comfortable enough to make thier own judgement and not shun her immediately due to the nasty things written on this site.

[julietimothy]

I am a VERY small breed compared to 90 somethings dogs. I have never shipped any of my puppies and I have not had to. But with the way the economy is going in my area I may need to one day. So I am not speaking badly about shipping, but when buying a puppy it is always better to find a puppy close enough to drive to the breeders home and see her dogs and how they are housed. It is not my thing but AKC think it is Ok for dogs to be in crages as long as they have room to stand -up and move around, food and water. I don't like that set up my self, I use a indoor building with doggie doors that goes out to a large run. but there is alway a down side to that to, becuase you would think when it rains they would stay in the building but no they love to play in the rain, so now I have to keep them in puppy cuts for all the rain baths they like to take. LOL Anyway, I don't like the way she may sell her puppies but I would not say anything bad about her with out seeing the kennel for myself. I did read that she pays people to help with the upkeep and with that many she would have to. I have 7 maltese and 4 yorkies and it is a full time job. Any way I hate hearing anything bad, just something to remember when buying, it is best to go and pick the puppy up yourself so you know what you are getting!!!!

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by ozegirl

I feel easy in defending this woman, I've met her personaly and visited her place and see no basis or solid evidence to support any of the slander said on this site.

Now allow me to reiterate, i understand that some people may not get what they are looking for but, did you know that in most buisness classes the students are taught that for every upset customer they will tell 10 friends but every satisfied customer may only tell 2 or 3?

I am here to attempt to even those odds and let people know that haven't done buisness though starmye that they should atleast feel comfortable enough to make thier own judgement and not shun her immediately due to the nasty things written on this site.

Keep going to class, maybe you will learn to form an educated opinion someday.

I suggest you do a little research on your friend and re-evaluate your stance on this argument. Look up Back Yard Breeders, and maybe have a conversation or 2 on YT, or anywhere else, with a reputable breeder. I think you will find that breeding animals properly will not make you $ when done correctly (for the love of the breed) and in fact one could stand to loose $ if a dog needs help whelping or x-rays etc., also genetic testing should be done in all cases and is costly.

Could you imagine how you would feel if one of your pups was sickly like some of the other posters on here? People have a right to review breeders, and you have the right to defend your friend. I would hope that if the roles were reversed you would do everything you can to make sure that others wouldn't suffer the loss or long term health problems from poor breeding.

93 dogs is INSANE to have on one property, the cost of vaccinations, and heartworm preventative alone is staggering. You say you have been there and would purchase from her again, I sincerely hope not.

[ozegirl]

definatly, taking a look for yourself is always the best option!
but i can vouch that her puppies can run inside and out also with little doggie doors and that thier water is refreshed atleast twice a day (better than some people take care of them at home).they may be akc registered but usda licenced so they made sure to go over what akc standards reccomended so the puppies have LOTS of room to run!
thanks for your reply!

[ozegirl]

Originally Posted by hartygirl

Keep going to class, maybe you will learn to form an educated opinion someday.

I suggest you do a little research on your friend and re-evaluate your stance on this argument. Look up Back Yard Breeders, and maybe have a conversation or 2 on YT, or anywhere else, with a reputable breeder. I think you will find that breeding animals properly will not make you $ when done correctly (for the love of the breed) and in fact one could stand to loose $ if a dog needs help whelping or x-rays etc., also genetic testing should be done in all cases and is costly.

Could you imagine how you would feel if one of your pups was sickly like some of the other posters on here? People have a right to review breeders, and you have the right to defend your friend. I would hope that if the roles were reversed you would do everything you can to make sure that others wouldn't suffer the loss or long term health problems from poor breeding.

93 dogs is INSANE to have on one property, the cost of vaccinations, and heartworm preventative alone is staggering. You say you have been there and would purchase from her again, I sincerely hope not.

I value your opinion but i think your suggestion for me to further my schooling for an educated opinion is foolish and not your place to say.you know nothing of my work.

When someone looses a pet or friend new or old it is a terrible thing and i wish the best for anyone how has gone through or is going through this.it really is a terrible thing.

I think everyone has the right to review ,but i'm not here to debate that.

However i can say that the puppies starmye raises get help whelping when neccesary,x ray-s,genetic testing, vaccinations, heartworm proventative and are not over bred.

93 dogs is alot of puppies! But you may be unaware that ultimate puppies is on 450 acres.

i understand that these things are outrageously priced but does that not speak for the owner of this buisness that all these things are provided for each and every puppy?

Also you stated that i was defending my friend which is not entirely true either.starmye and i are acquaintences through buisness and i just hate to see a hard working family buisness loose customers because of false accusations.

I'm not trying to imply these accusations are coming from you personaly, i am just trying to make sure that people can read both sides of the story.

[hartygirl]

Originally Posted by ozegirl

I value your opinion but i think your suggestion for me to further my schooling for an educated opinion is foolish and not your place to say.you know nothing of my work. I don't see how that is foolish for me to say, I feel that you know nothing about breeding and need to learn about it before you jump to the defense of a breeder. Educate yourself about what you are defending or it is you that will look foolish.

When someone looses a pet or friend new or old it is a terrible thing and i wish the best for anyone how has gone through or is going through this.it really is a terrible thing.

I think everyone has the right to review ,but i'm not here to debate that.

However i can say that the puppies starmye raises get help whelping when neccesary,x ray-s,genetic testing, vaccinations, heartworm proventative and are not over bred. How do you know this? Have you seen paid invoices from vets? Have you been there to see the medications and vaccinations administered? How do you know how many litters any of her bitches have had?

93 dogs is alot of puppies! But you may be unaware that ultimate puppies is on 450 acres. How many acres that Ultimate Puppies owns does not matter in the least. What matteres is the size of the building/facility that the animals are kept in and the condition that the structure is in.

i understand that these things are outrageously priced but does that not speak for the owner of this buisness that all these things are provided for each and every puppy? I do not think her puppies are outrageously priced, I want to know how she can afford to keep up with heartworm, flea and tick preventative and vaccinations for 93 breeding dogs and god knows how many puppies. Is she independently wealthy or does she make all of her $ breeding.

Also you stated that i was defending my friend which is not entirely true either.starmye and i are acquaintences through buisness and i just hate to see a hard working family buisness loose customers because of false accusations. I am happy you had a good experience with Starmye, God knows it could have been much worse. She will loose business from people that know what to look for in a good reputable breeder. Sadly she will still be in business for a while to come because most first time dog owners are clueless as to what good breeding involves. Again, I think you should research this topic a little more also.

I'm not trying to imply these accusations are coming from you personaly, i am just trying to make sure that people can read both sides of the story. I am glad that your side of this story is not filled with grief over a sick or dead puppy. A responsibile breeder would take the mother and father that produced sick or geneticly defective offspring out of their breeding program. They would also make sure that both were fixed and were pet only dogs. NO puppy should EVER be sold to a broker, pet store or sold when they are sick, no excuses. And breeding more than one type of dog is a HUGE red flag.

I hope you stay around here on YT and learn about a few things. I have gained what I consider to be a wealth of knowledge from others on here, breeders, show dog owners and fellow yorkie lovers. We are all here because of a shared love for the Yorkshire Terrier breed and can be quick to take offence at someone that makes a profit off of exploiting the dogs that we care so much for.

[sammy08]

Originally Posted by ozegirl

you think to hard!.lol
i just bought my puppies a few weeks ago and was trying to find other people who had gotten puppies from her too, but when i found all this mess i wanted to jump to her defence!

you can jump to Starmys defense all you want ,but the truth of the matter is their are many of people that have gotten sick puppies including myself, If Starmye is loosing business its nobody's fault but her own. you cannot lie to people and run a business dishonestly and get away with it.when you Goggle her name nothing but negative comes up. ( we cant all be wrong and out to trash her name) and honestly, If she had done right thing, and at least done right by me, I wouldn't be here .I do not deliberately trash her name, I do not want others to go through what I did.she was dishonest to me . She guarantees a healthy puppy. I didn't get a healthy puppy and when I approached her she ignored me and many others. Maybe she is facing the music because she is loosing so much business. you cant send sick dogs to honest people do nothing about it then and get away with it!

[julietimothy]

I have to jump in here. I think everyone is getting very RUDE!!! The thing is people should not order a puppy off the net as you would a shirt!!! It is a puppy, people. If you are looking to buy a puppy do you homework!! Read every thing you can on the Breed before you buy it, not after. Then find a breeder and talk to them over the phone, ask questions, if you like what you hear, then set a time and go see their puppies and the parents. If there is a kennel, see the kennel. If the breeder want let you see her kennel , BIG RED FLAG!!! This way you have seen everything, you know that you are not getting a sick puppy. Any good breeder will give time to take the puppy to your vet and have checked out, if the vet finds something wrong you take the puppy back. This is how we stop bad breeding!!! If you as a buyer does not do your homework and don't take the time to go and pick you puppy up at the breeders house, you have not room to be upset. You are just as at fault as the bad breeder and adding to the problem by buying from them. Sorry turth hurts!!

[ILOVEYORKIES2]

Originally Posted by julietimothy

I have to jump in here. I think everyone is getting very RUDE!!! The thing is people should not order a puppy off the net as you would a shirt!!! It is a puppy, people. If you are looking to buy a puppy do you homework!! Read every thing you can on the Breed before you buy it, not after. Then find a breeder and talk to them over the phone, ask questions, if you like what you hear, then set a time and go see their puppies and the parents. If there is a kennel, see the kennel. If the breeder want let you see her kennel , BIG RED FLAG!!! This way you have seen everything, you know that you are not getting a sick puppy. Any good breeder will give time to take the puppy to your vet and have checked out, if the vet finds something wrong you take the puppy back. This is how we stop bad breeding!!! If you as a buyer does not do your homework and don't take the time to go and pick you puppy up at the breeders house, you have not room to be upset. You are just as at fault as the bad breeder and adding to the problem by buying from them. Sorry turth hurts!!

I think a good breeder would not let you in their kennel because it is a disease control area and you never know what a person can track in.

[sammy08]

Originally Posted by julietimothy

I have to jump in here. I think everyone is getting very RUDE!!! The thing is people should not order a puppy off the net as you would a shirt!!! It is a puppy, people. If you are looking to buy a puppy do you homework!! Read every thing you can on the Breed before you buy it, not after. Then find a breeder and talk to them over the phone, ask questions, if you like what you hear, then set a time and go see their puppies and the parents. If there is a kennel, see the kennel. If the breeder want let you see her kennel , BIG RED FLAG!!! This way you have seen everything, you know that you are not getting a sick puppy. Any good breeder will give time to take the puppy to your vet and have checked out, if the vet finds something wrong you take the puppy back. This is how we stop bad breeding!!! If you as a buyer does not do your homework and don't take the time to go and pick you puppy up at the breeders house, you have not room to be upset. You are just as at fault as the bad breeder and adding to the problem by buying from them. Sorry turth hurts!!

We do have room to be upset? ..... what are you saying?.... we deserve what we got because we didn't know better? WE WERE SCAMMED. Honestly, you really shouldn't judge people because we didn't know the A-Z"s on buying a puppy. . wether you buy a puppy on the web or go to the breeders house. doesn't make it right to scam someone. we didn't know we were buying form a bad breeder, so you saying we are just as guilty makes me furious!

I didn't have the opportunity to go to her house and check out her puppies. I thought I did my homework .I found her on puppyfind.com. after reading the good reviews on her I decided to go through and get a puppy from her. Later when I found out I was scammed ,and knowing she would do nothing about it, I tried to post a negative review on puppyfind and It was lifted a day later. they only post good reviews , not bad ones... ( the breeder reports to them and has it lifted)
you live and learn form mistakes, people that buy dogs on the web, don't believe they are buying form a puppy mill. should we have done things differently? maybe. sorry I am not perfect! I learn from my mistakes, and I still do have room to complain.

[julietimothy]

I am a good breeder and if you keep your dog vac. up to date, you can show your dogs. This is just a way to not want people in to see your dogs and see how they are raised. Sorry with the breeders out there I would not buy if I could not see where and how they raise their puppies and parents.