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07-01-2007, 11:54 PM | #1 |
YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri
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| A question for breeders who have more experience than I breeding Yorkies. I have 2 studs, brothers but not from the same litter. Their father weighs 3 1/2lbs and their mother about the same or maybe 4lbs. Mr. Big and Nicky both weigh right around 4lbs. Mr. Big throws babies all sizes, from 2.3ozs up to almost 4ozs. Nicky throw big babies, I think his smallest has been 3ozs. Mr. Big's children are all different sizes when they grow up, but usually the smaller ones tend to be the smallest of the litters. Nicky's children are all tinys. Below 4lbs and so far 5 of them are 3lbs or less. Mr. Big's children are totally healthy with no problems. Nicky's tinys started off well with the first litter but the 2nd litter had a little girl with low blood sugar problems. My present litter, 2 boys and a girl, are all having problems with low blood sugar. We almost lost the little girl today. They are 10 weeks old. I have only had Yorkies for 4 years and been breeding for 2 years. I love having the tinys but I am scared to death to sell them after they have come down with the low blood sugar scares. I have bred Nicky to a female 6 3/4lbs twice, this present litter is from her, she is the mother of Nicky's first and third litters. Nicky's 2nd litter was to a 4 1/2lbs female. Nicky's 2nd litter, the first baby was 5 ozs, the biggest of the litter. She is 6 months old and only 2lbs. The puppy chart says she will be 2 1/2lbs but this line stops growing between 6 and 7 months. One of her brothers is 3lbs and the other is approximately 4 1/2lbs. I am wondering if you more experienced breeders of Yorkies think that if I use a larger female it will stop the low blood sugar episodes from happening? Right now the 6 3/4lb female is the largest I have that is of the same registry as Nicky, AKC. Should I double register him and try him with my 10lb female? I am exhausted by these little ones and worried about selling any of them. Sylvia |
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07-02-2007, 03:45 AM | #2 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia
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| I don't know if I have more experience but this is what I"ve been told and have found to be true. If you breed to an oversized female you will oft times get average sized pups the first generation and than big and small the second generation. It also depends on the line that your breeding. Hypoglycemia isn't caused by size alone, as in humans there are other factors. Nicky may be throwing pups with problems because he is a carrier. Alot of times the overproduction of insulin is something that one grows out of or the body at least learns to deal with it better. I am hypoglycemic and have improved greatly as I got older. My son is also hypoglycemic and at 23 is starting to see improvement. It can be hereditary and not just due to size. If Nicky continues to throw pups that have problems you may have to discontinue breeding him. We'll see what other info breeders bring to this thread, it should be educational.
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07-02-2007, 04:34 AM | #3 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida
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| problem I have had dozens of mice size puppies at birth, many 1 and 2 oz size..one girl and her daughter never had a birth puppy in the 3 oz area..IMO...hypoglysemia IMO has a genetic component at this stage. If I have had so many tinies without this problem, what would you attribute it to..? Luck, skill ( I was a novice at one time myself) if they are nursing or being fed regular by other means, tinies should not have low blood sugar.. I know many will disagree, but again, if I have had dozens who were 10 or 12 oz at 12 weeks..and they were fine,, then I attribute it to the bloodlines...and I have discussed this with many breeders who say.."that line tends to have tinies who do not thrive well.." |
07-02-2007, 04:40 AM | #4 |
YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida
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| I don't know about the experience, but what the heck....I do think you should consider more the line behind the bitch rather than just her weight. |
07-02-2007, 07:16 AM | #5 |
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| stud Do you need two full brothers with the same identical genes? Pick the one who sires the best quality and health, temperment and soundess...all that good stuff!! Every forum has dozens of posts from unhappy pet owners with unhealthy Yorkies..we as breeder must do all we can to insure the line is as healthy as humanly possible. It is no fun to have to worry and stress over each litter..then keep them months longer then need be because we are worried something will go wrong..enough can go wrong with with puppies who act/appear 100% at selling time.. You are lucky, a problem is staring you in the face and you have the opportunity to fix now before it gets the better of your breeding program. Last edited by YorkieRose; 07-02-2007 at 07:18 AM. |
07-02-2007, 10:13 AM | #6 |
YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota
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| I think there is a genetic factor with low blood sugar. It's not just the tinies that can have problems although they seem to have the most problems. If Nicky is throwing pups from different females with the same problems I myself would use him anymore. You could try the big female and see what happens but I don't like using a non-standard size bitch. You have to be really careful selling pups that are prone to low blood sugar( I'm sure you know that) . People that are gone to work and the pup is left alone and doesn't eat can come home to a real mess. Huge vet bills in the ER etc.... tinies are darling if they are healthy but a money pit and hearthbreak and stress if put in the hand of newbie pet owner. I think most people would prefer a bigger pup that they don't have to watch over 24/7. Way less stress for you too ! |
07-03-2007, 08:59 PM | #7 | |
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Thank you everyone for your responses. The lines my studs and females come from is healthy but I know there can be throwbacks to the 10th generation. We have found part of the problem is coccidiosis. We just recently moved and apparently the dogs or some of them were more stressed than they appeared. I didn't know stress could cause a problem like this in my babies. The puppy shots combined with the low blood sugar and coccidiosis is a most likely explaination of what has been happening. We are treating all of our dogs for it rather than testing each and every one of them. I know this may not be the whole story but we will see what happens when this is cleared up. I can hope that it takes care of the problem but I will be wary that there is more to the story. Thanks again, Sylvia | |
07-06-2007, 08:54 AM | #8 |
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