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TammyJM · 07-02-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

It's perfectly normal as far as what I've experienced. The lochia kinda reminds you of old blood, thick and rather sticky, kinda like tar.

Thanks again, Tami!! This is exactly what I was trying to describe. Should they have this with each puppy? I don't know if Madi had this with the first puppy because I was asleep when she had that one, but she did not have it with any others except the second one...normal??

Tammy

Mardelin · 07-02-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

It's perfectly normal as far as what I've experienced. The lochia kinda reminds you of old blood, thick and rather sticky, kinda like tar.

Tami,

Have you found that in some whelpings this never occurs and they are clean as a whistle after delivery? For instance with Go-Go's first litter, nothing, but with her 2nd her dicharge continued for over 6 weeks.

Breny · 07-02-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DSchulte

My friend just got home and said her dog has had 3 out of 4 puppies, the largest one was dead, the other two seem fine. The vet had hoped the larger one would be the last one born after looking at the x-ray but it wasn't.

Anyway, she said there was some green fluid on the mom's legs, is this something to be concerned about?

Back to the OP's question.....

So if one DOES experience the green BEFORE the 1st pup...one should wait how long to call the vet? I'm guessing this would be ASAP, at first sighting then, correct?

Ladyhawk · 07-02-2007, 07:14 AM

I've only had experience with Roxie so far but she does get the whelping box pretty messy. Teddi arrived at my home from a kennel in Kentucky a few weeks after weaning and still had discharge which makes me wonder. Some dogs are just really clean like my Remi, you can't hardly tell when she's in heat. She should have her first litter the last week in Aug. so we'll see how that goes. She won't even go in her crate unless it's perfectly clean.

Mardelin · 07-02-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Breny

Back to the OP's question.....

So if one DOES experience the green BEFORE the 1st pup...one should wait how long to call the vet? I'm guessing this would be ASAP, at first sighting then, correct?

Immediately....once again, odor and consistency are also a determining factor

Ladyhawk · 07-02-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Breny

Back to the OP's question.....

So if one DOES experience the green BEFORE the 1st pup...one should wait how long to call the vet? I'm guessing this would be ASAP, at first sighting then, correct?

If there is lochia present before the first pup than the placenta has already separated and yes there is cause for concern. The pup needs to be delivered promptly after the placenta separates.

Mardelin · 07-02-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I've only had experience with Roxie so far but she does get the whelping box pretty messy. Teddi arrived at my home from a kennel in Kentucky a few weeks after weaning and still had discharge which makes me wonder. Some dogs are just really clean like my Remi, you can't hardly tell when she's in heat. She should have her first litter the last week in Aug. so we'll see how that goes. She won't even go in her crate unless it's perfectly clean.

I'd never experienced the extreme difference before in the same dam.....both times a POP shot was given. Go-Go is also very clean, and hates to having anything out of place and being dirty. Of course she's had a bath every week of her life since she was 8 weeks of age and sometimes 5 on a weekend during her show career.

With her last litter I had her vet checked 4 times, because of the discharge....he did smears and nothing, put her on antibiotics as a precautionary measure

tegamom1 · 07-02-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Mary Ann,

I've never seen you get upset before, remind me not to get on your bad side.....I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end your wrath. But, then again it takes along time for you to get upset.....some people just don't know when to leave well enough alone and begin personal attacks.

Yes, Mary, I don't like getting upset with people but when someone just keeps on and on attacking, they do finally step on that last nerve. lol I'm going to try and continue to bite the bullet and just ignore these things. I am sorry that I let this person finally get to me. Life is too short to argue with someone that can't hear you.. This thread has been extremely informative and I hope everyone will continue to share and learn from others experiences. We can never stop learning..

And,.....our baby, Charmer Junior "CJ". came thru with flying colors! Just can't wait till he's home this afternoon so I can shower him with more love and kisses.

Mardelin · 07-02-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

And,.....our baby, Charmer Junior "CJ". came thru with flying colors! Just can't wait till he's home this afternoon so I can shower him with more love and kisses.

And did you get him a new toy for having to go through his ordeal?

Make sure the vet prescribes antibiotic for him.

CO_yorkie_momma · 07-02-2007, 08:09 AM

This is very good information especially for us newbies that are just learning. I dont have a sense of smell so I dont have that to lean on but at least I know what to look for now and when to be alarmed. I have seen the green at delivery and afterwards for a day or so on the sheets but I am guessing since it was just a tiny amount that it is ok.
Everyone has the right to give their own opinion and even though it isnt our opinion or the way we see things a good discusion about it is always helpful and interesting. I dont like seeing these harmless discussions turn ugly and it takes away from what it should be about and that is learning. IT also makes people afraid to post what their experiences or thought are and that is really too bad.

tegamom1 · 07-02-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

This is very good information especially for us newbies that are just learning. I dont have a sense of smell so I dont have that to lean on but at least I know what to look for now and when to be alarmed. I have seen the green at delivery and afterwards for a day or so on the sheets but I am guessing since it was just a tiny amount that it is ok.
Everyone has the right to give their own opinion and even though it isnt our opinion or the way we see things a good discusion about it is always helpful and interesting. I dont like seeing these harmless discussions turn ugly and it takes away from what it should be about and that is learning. IT also makes people afraid to post what their experiences or thought are and that is really too bad.

CO_yorkie_momma,you are totally right!

And, Mary, he got 2 new toys! (And I will make sure and get the meds for him)

Mardelin · 07-02-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

CO_yorkie_momma,you are totally right!

And, Mary, he got 2 new toys! (And I will make sure and get the meds for him)

Tell Fanci to stay out of the trash......or she can't share CJ's toys. Bet she misses being an only child and not having a pesky tattle tail younger brother.

yorkiesjs · 07-02-2007, 08:34 PM

Thanks for the great info...Shawn yorkiesjs

set1958 · 07-02-2007, 09:47 PM

The following is an excerpt from:
L. Ari Juckowitz, VMD. Reproductive Emergencies; Veterinary Clinics Small Animals. Volume 35

g 397-420.

Box 2. Criteria for the suspicion of dystocia
1. A definite cause is visible (ie, fetus lodged in birth canal,
pelvic fractures).
2. Gestation is prolonged (>70 days) with no evidence of labor.
3. Temperature has dropped to lower than 100F and returned
to normal with no evidence of labor.
4. Green vaginal discharge (indicates placental separation) or
fetal fluids are seen, and 2 hours have elapsed without
expulsion of fetuses.
5. Strong and persistent contractions fail to result in the
delivery of a puppy within 30 minutes.
6. Weak and infrequent contractions fail to produce a fetus
within 4 hours.
7. More than 4 hours have elapsed since the birth of a puppy,
with no evidence of ongoing labor.
8. Signs of systemic illness or severe pain are presen

set1958 · 07-02-2007, 09:57 PM

This is an excerpt from Vet Notes.
Determination of dystocia

Questions to ask:

* Obvious malpresentation?
* First stage > 12 hours, second stage weak and intermittent > 2 to 3 hours, second stage hard > 30 minutes, > 2 hours between pups?
* Abnormal vulvar discharge? Pus, frank hemorrhage, green fluid (denotes placental separation)
* Rectal temperature decline > 24 hours ago?
* Signs of labor not progressing?
* Systemic illness in bitch?
* Prolonged gestation?
* High risk pregnancy? (Previous pelvic trauma or dystocia)

Presentation:

* History

- Previous disease or trauma
- Breeding dates
- History of previous whelpings
- Pups and progress at this whelping
- Temperature drop data
- Treatment thus far

* Physical examination

- General examination
- Abdominal palpation
- Digital vaginal examination
- Lateral abdominal radiographs
- Uterine monitors (WhelpWise)

Treatment of dystocia

Manipulative
* Feathering
* Digital manipulation
* Instruments

Pharmacologic agents
* Oxytocin - Oxytocin acts as an ecbolic (causes uterine contraction). It may cause premature placental separation and should not be used in obstructive dystocia. Dose = 2 to 5 IU at 20 to 30 minute intervals, for no more than 3 to 4 doses if not effective.
* Calcium
* Glucose

07-02-2007, 07:14 AM	#94
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,808	I've only had experience with Roxie so far but she does get the whelping box pretty messy. Teddi arrived at my home from a kennel in Kentucky a few weeks after weaning and still had discharge which makes me wonder. Some dogs are just really clean like my Remi, you can't hardly tell when she's in heat. She should have her first litter the last week in Aug. so we'll see how that goes. She won't even go in her crate unless it's perfectly clean. __________________ Tami

07-02-2007, 09:47 PM	#104
set1958 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Carolina Posts: 79	The following is an excerpt from: L. Ari Juckowitz, VMD. Reproductive Emergencies; Veterinary Clinics Small Animals. Volume 35g 397-420. Box 2. Criteria for the suspicion of dystocia 1. A definite cause is visible (ie, fetus lodged in birth canal, pelvic fractures). 2. Gestation is prolonged (>70 days) with no evidence of labor. 3. Temperature has dropped to lower than 100F and returned to normal with no evidence of labor. 4. Green vaginal discharge (indicates placental separation) or fetal fluids are seen, and 2 hours have elapsed without expulsion of fetuses. 5. Strong and persistent contractions fail to result in the delivery of a puppy within 30 minutes. 6. Weak and infrequent contractions fail to produce a fetus within 4 hours. 7. More than 4 hours have elapsed since the birth of a puppy, with no evidence of ongoing labor. 8. Signs of systemic illness or severe pain are presen

07-02-2007, 09:57 PM	#105
set1958 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Carolina Posts: 79	Green Fluid This is an excerpt from Vet Notes. Determination of dystocia Questions to ask: * Obvious malpresentation? * First stage > 12 hours, second stage weak and intermittent > 2 to 3 hours, second stage hard > 30 minutes, > 2 hours between pups? * Abnormal vulvar discharge? Pus, frank hemorrhage, green fluid (denotes placental separation) * Rectal temperature decline > 24 hours ago? * Signs of labor not progressing? * Systemic illness in bitch? * Prolonged gestation? * High risk pregnancy? (Previous pelvic trauma or dystocia) Presentation: * History - Previous disease or trauma - Breeding dates - History of previous whelpings - Pups and progress at this whelping - Temperature drop data - Treatment thus far * Physical examination - General examination - Abdominal palpation - Digital vaginal examination - Lateral abdominal radiographs - Uterine monitors (WhelpWise) Treatment of dystocia Manipulative * Feathering * Digital manipulation * Instruments Pharmacologic agents * Oxytocin - Oxytocin acts as an ecbolic (causes uterine contraction). It may cause premature placental separation and should not be used in obstructive dystocia. Dose = 2 to 5 IU at 20 to 30 minute intervals, for no more than 3 to 4 doses if not effective. * Calcium * Glucose

07-02-2007, 08:09 AM	#100
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	This is very good information especially for us newbies that are just learning. I dont have a sense of smell so I dont have that to lean on but at least I know what to look for now and when to be alarmed. I have seen the green at delivery and afterwards for a day or so on the sheets but I am guessing since it was just a tiny amount that it is ok. Everyone has the right to give their own opinion and even though it isnt our opinion or the way we see things a good discusion about it is always helpful and interesting. I dont like seeing these harmless discussions turn ugly and it takes away from what it should be about and that is learning. IT also makes people afraid to post what their experiences or thought are and that is really too bad.

07-02-2007, 08:34 PM	#103
yorkiesjs Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dougherty Iowa Posts: 140	Thanks for the great info...Shawn yorkiesjs