Question about registration...curious...

[Joeysmom]

Hi... I'm not looking for another puppy right now, but I enjoy surfing the web just to look at dogs, and breeders sites (though many of them are questionable!). I ran across a site that had moms and dads on site. Both were AKC, but she said she was going to register the puppies from them with CKC....why would someone do this? Is it cheaper, or different standards, or what? I don't get it.

I'm just curious....

deb

[tegamom1]

AKC is a lot more strict. I think with pictures you can register just about anything CKC. I would definately question why they would do this if both parents were actually AKC registered....Looking at those web sites is "interesting", just remember to just keep going....and if you ever decide to buy look on the ytca web site. You can find nice web sites from some reputable breeders there that actually have nice dogs to look at. Again, JMO.

[Gracy]

AKC in my opinnion is more reliable to all breeds. I do not understand why register the puppies with CKC when the parents are AKC. AKC would accept the puppies. The only reason the owner would do this, In my opinnion, I do not believe both parents are AKC registered.
Beware of cute puppies and if a statement does not make any sense. Use your gut judgement.
In all as a Breeder myself, if someone is purchasing a puppy. The papers should be with the puppy at time of purchase. I make it my responsiblity to have Vet records, shot records and AKC Registration in a package when my puppies are ready to be placed.

[xxmxaxrxyxx]

Originally Posted by Gracy

AKC in my opinnion is more reliable to all breeds. I do not understand why register the puppies with CKC when the parents are AKC. AKC would accept the puppies. The only reason the owner would do this, In my opinnion, I do not believe both parents are AKC registered.
Beware of cute puppies and if a statement does not make any sense. Use your gut judgement.
In all as a Breeder myself, if someone is purchasing a puppy. The papers should be with the puppy at time of purchase. I make it my responsiblity to have Vet records, shot records and AKC Registration in a package when my puppies are ready to be placed.

i agree...also some people will registered their puppies with another kennel other than AKC...if they had purchased the dam or sire with limited registration..in such event AKC will not honor the litter registration...

[Joeysmom]

Thanks everyone... I thought it seemed weird, but didn't know if I'm just paranoid. I'm amazed at how many yorkie "breeder" sites have non-standard looking yorkies... But when you come across the good ones, you can sure see a difference. I would never buy online anyway....only local. I must see both parents, esp. for temperament. I've had bad experiences with shelties from not following this process....

thankfully, I have two awesome, beautiful, well-mannered, and loving yorkie babies already!

[puppylove17]

One of the main reasons that a lot of breeders are turning to different registries is the cost for registering the litters. With AKC it is 20.00 plus $2.00 per puppy. So if you have 4 pups in the litter it costs the breeder $28.00 to register the litter with AKC. They can register the litter with CKC for example for $12.00 (as long as both parents are CKC registered) no matter how many pups are in the litter. If the parents are AKC it doesn't usually cost the breeder anything to dual register them with another registry. That is a substantial difference if they have a lot of litters. People who are buying the puppy for a pet and not planning to show often don't bother to send the papers in anyway. If you check out some of the other registries you will find the same thing. The $$ amount will vary a bit but it is almost always more economical to use one of the other registries. It is also true that someone can buy a dog on AKC limited registration (can't register the pups as it wasn't supposed to be bred) and then dual register it elsewhere and that makes the pups registrable with the other registry.
As far as AKC registered puppies being superior in any way, I have to disagree with that. Two of my yorkies (sisters) are APRI registered but they are much closer to the AKC breed standard (show potential) then my AKC registered ones.
All of the above is JMHO after researching some of the other registries.

[Brooklynn]

I sell on a limited registration and withhold papers until I get a copy from the vet stating the puppies are spayed/neutered. That is what I've done with my past 3 litters but from here on out any puppy leaving my house as a pet will be spayed/neutered before leaving my home.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[natalienicole]

Originally Posted by puppylove17

One of the main reasons that a lot of breeders are turning to different registries is the cost for registering the litters. With AKC it is 20.00 plus $2.00 per puppy. So if you have 4 pups in the litter it costs the breeder $28.00 to register the litter with AKC. They can register the litter with CKC for example for $12.00 (as long as both parents are CKC registered) no matter how many pups are in the litter. If the parents are AKC it doesn't usually cost the breeder anything to dual register them with another registry. That is a substantial difference if they have a lot of litters. People who are buying the puppy for a pet and not planning to show often don't bother to send the papers in anyway. If you check out some of the other registries you will find the same thing. The $$ amount will vary a bit but it is almost always more economical to use one of the other registries. It is also true that someone can buy a dog on AKC limited registration (can't register the pups as it wasn't supposed to be bred) and then dual register it elsewhere and that makes the pups registrable with the other registry.
As far as AKC registered puppies being superior in any way, I have to disagree with that. Two of my yorkies (sisters) are APRI registered but they are much closer to the AKC breed standard (show potential) then my AKC registered ones.
All of the above is JMHO after researching some of the other registries.

20.00 dollars and then 2 dollars per puppy doesnt seem like that much to me. I think it is worth it in the long run. And yorkie puppies are so expensive anyways i dont see why a breeder cant pay the 20 something dollars. sorry if this offends someone.

[fannie]

Originally Posted by natalienicole

20.00 dollars and then 2 dollars per puppy doesnt seem like that much to me. I think it is worth it in the long run. And yorkie puppies are so expensive anyways i dont see why a breeder cant pay the 20 something dollars. sorry if this offends someone.

It doesn't offend me and quite honestly, I think it's very cheap!

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by puppylove17

As far as AKC registered puppies being superior in any way, I have to disagree with that. Two of my yorkies (sisters) are APRI registered but they are much closer to the AKC breed standard (show potential) then my AKC registered ones.
All of the above is JMHO after researching some of the other registries.

My opinion is very opposite of yours. I feel AKC is the only way to go for a guaranteed pure breed. Those other registries don't screen well enough to be assured they aren't mixed breeds. Mixed breeds can be fine dogs, but staying in the true standard such as what AKC registry does is best IMO. I personally think way to many people breed non-AKC Yorkie's which can lead to way too many people purchasing possible mixes without knowing it. I'm glad AKC has such strick rules to keep the standard true. I breed AKC myself and wouldn't have it any other way. JMO.

[Gracy]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

My opinion is very opposite of yours. I feel AKC is the only way to go for a guaranteed pure breed. Those other registries don't screen well enough to be assured they aren't mixed breeds. Mixed breeds can be fine dogs, but staying in the true standard such as what AKC registry does is best IMO. I personally think way to many people breed non-AKC Yorkie's which can lead to way too many people purchasing possible mixes without knowing it. I'm glad AKC has such strick rules to keep the standard true. I breed AKC myself and wouldn't have it any other way. JMO.

Ditto IMO as well.
I do question the other Clubs. Do they have DNA Testing?
I know that with a Sire registered in AKC, you have to register his DNA after 7 Breedings of more than 3 Litters in a year.
Here is the AKC FAQs about DNA Testing on a Sire & Dam.

From www.akc.org

Frequently Used Sires Requirement FAQs

1. Which sires are required to be AKC DNA Profiled?

Effective for litters whelped on or after July 1, 2000, AKC DNA Profiling is required if a stud dog is classified as a Frequently Used Sire, meaning that he has produced seven or more litters in his lifetime or more than three litters in a calendar year.

2. Is this requirement for Dams as well?

No. The requirement only applies to stud dogs meeting the above criteria. Breeders may, of course, voluntarily DNA Profile other breeding stock or offspring through the DNA Profile Program.

3. What information does the DNA testing provide?

AKC DNA Profiling is for parentage verification and genetic identity purposes only. It does not provide information regarding genetic health, conformation, performance ability, coat color, etc.

I am aware other registered Club Yorkies meet greatly the standard Look, but how do their offsprings "Look". That is the major question really. Their DNA, will it be properly past on to the next generation.
Again that is also in the hands of the Breeder, Responsible Breeding.