Breeders

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Laura

Jeff was raising yorkies when yorkies weren't cool.

very true - but the stories have been around just as long about him.....He's ranked right up there with Tiny Darlings & Wizard of Claws...discussed by people who dealt with him on many other boards....all negative. I say this because it IS publically posted or talked about - I have never personally talked with him - but anyone can search the net to see for themselves....

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Jeff Dane is a breeder. He may also be a broker but there is nothing wrong with brokers. There are good breeders and bad breeders and there are good brokers and bad brokers. I know several excellent brokers who know more about yorkies than any vet or breeder I have met to date. I have told many stories about the wonderful breeder/broker I got Buddha and Hefner from and she has been saving puppies that the vets wouldn't bother with for over 30 years!

Jeff Dane isn't going anywhere and he is passionate about his dogs and he truly cares about them. I respect the other opinions out there about him and would caution, as always, whenever you purchase a puppy, from whomever, make sure all the "i"s are dotted and the "T"s are crossed.

[LvMyYorki]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Jeff Dane is a breeder. He may also be a broker but there is nothing wrong with brokers. There are good breeders and bad breeders and there are good brokers and bad brokers. I know several excellent brokers who know more about yorkies than any vet or breeder I have met to date. I have told many stories about the wonderful breeder/broker I got Buddha and Hefner from and she has been saving puppies that the vets wouldn't bother with for over 30 years!

Jeff Dane isn't going anywhere and he is passionate about his dogs and he truly cares about them. I respect the other opinions out there about him and would caution, as always, whenever you purchase a puppy, from whomever, make sure all the "i"s are dotted and the "T"s are crossed.

Kim- You've only owned a Yorkie for six months, so I'm sure that in your mind you possess a wealth of experience in this area, but IMO six months experience is a tad limited. Just because you've spoken with many breeders and brokers doesnt really mean anything except that you've talked to a lot of people... bc to me quanity is NOT quality. I don't need to speak to a multitude of brokers when I have my breeder that was mentored by the best of the best. She can tell me anything I want or need to know. She speaks from years and years of hands on experience and you will not find an unkind word about her or any of her pups anywhere! Same with my vet. He is wonderful and I would rest assured there is no broker that knows more about the health of MY Yorkie than my vet.

We've visisted and re-visited this topic time and time again about brokers and I still can't understand why you are so confrontational and attacking to in your posts. Arent we all entitled to our own opinions based on our personal experiences.... I personally enjoy a pup that is bred to the standard and that comes from a breeder that would never dream of brokering her pups and that shows and that is affiliated with the YTCA and follows their Code of Ethics regarding breeding practices. Those are my choices. I understand that you prefer to use brokers to buy your Yorkies and that you like the "off" color/coated Yorkies. Those are your choices.

What I can't understand is why you post publicly and attack the YTCA, and will turn right around and defend Jeff Dane??? What do you have against show breeders? Or the YTCA for that matter?

Nothing is going to change my experience or view of this topic. Again, I will stick to my original opinion and that is that NO responsible or caring breeder would need to use the services of a broker to sell their puppies. Most have waiting lists!

We have quite a few breeders on this site and just to prove my point... I would like ANY breeder to post whether or not you would sell your puppies or commission them to a broker??? Pat, Rini- you have years and years of experience in breeding... have you ever used a broker to sell your pups? What do you think of breeders that broker their pups? Just curious. I would like to hear from any BREEDER on this forum that has experience in this area. Julz, Sylvan, Kimberley- will you use a broker to sell your upcoming litters and pups when they are ready to go? If what Kim says is true and there are "good" brokers out there... would you consider using a "good" broker?

[feminvstr]

Within this last month I have had three different kennels call and offer to buy complete litters! reasoning, they love the look of my pups!

Although I was polite to each and everyone I simply said thank you but no thank you!

all my adults or babies have never seen a cage or a kennel, why would I let the free loving spirit of my pups be squashed out of them like a bug in a jar.

Brokers/breeders are probably one or perhaps all of the kennels that called that I mentioned above.

Also I had a gal call about 3 weeks ago asking if I had any pups to SELL, as I spoke longer with her, she was soliciting to sell my pups, YIKES, her sweet southern accent and manners would have fooled your sense of good judgement. She wanted to broker my pups! to that I say HELL NO not in your lifetime!

[JCarlson2004]

[QUOTE=LvMyYorki]Again, I will stick to my original opinion and that is that NO responsible or caring breeder would need to use the services of a broker to sell their puppies. Most have waiting lists!QUOTE]

I totally agree w/ you!! My mother-in-law wanted a female chocolate lab but didn't have the money to buy one. So I researched the breed and researched a TON of breeders. I finally choose a breeder because she told me her background and what impressed me was her honesty. She has been breeding labs for over 15 years. She told me about a time when she was not selling her dogs - there was just no demand. So she has all these dogs running around and they were getting older but people really want puppies, not older dogs. So she knew she would have trouble selling them. In desperation, she sold 4 of her dogs to a broker. But guilt got to her and she wanted them back. The sneaky rat broker said she had to BUY them back - and for a lot more money than she sold them. So she ended up buying them back and eventually she sold them to nice homes. But it really impressed me how she went to great lenghts (financially) to get these dogs back. The broker had given them to a pet shop. So I agree with you, no GOOD breeder would even sell their dogs to a broker!

[txshopper73]

No, Tara, I would NEVER use a broker. I know what is in my home and what isn't. With a broker, they go and buy these pups from anywhere. You don't know what kind of diseased homes some of these pups came from. Why would I subject my puppies to this kind of sickness?

I want to know what kind of homes my babies are going to. I want to know if the people will give my babies the one on one interaction that I've been doing. I want to know that my babies will be spoiled rotten!

There is a broker that live near me (about 30 minutes). Anyway, she had called up a breeder in town and just "had to show her this tiny male!" Well, the broker showed up and the breeder wouldn't let her through the door nor would she even touch the puppy. This puppy was tiny, yes, but also very sick and malnourished. The breeder wouldn't touch the pup because she didn't want to pass anything on to her litter.

I've never spoken to a broker and don't know that I would. I like to think of them as a drug dealer. They get their supply and sell them to whoever wants them. They aren't picky nor do most of them care. Just who has the $$$.

[diva pup]

I applaud you all on your ethics and I want to thank you for being caring responsible breeders and loving your babies so much. I am including Pat and Rini as well, I think I know what they would have said. Dawn

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I've never spoken to a broker and don't know that I would. I like to think of them as a drug dealer. They get their supply and sell them to whoever wants them. They aren't picky nor do most of them care. Just who has the $$$.

I love your analogy!

Kudos for attempting to explain it in another way that perhaps some members can relate to (not saying members are druggies -- just that perhaps a comparison to that type of low-life might finally strike a nerve with them).

[YorkieRose]

I have not used a broker, do not know any of my beederer friends who have..we have been through some very bad selling years. Yorkies have not always sold as well as they do now. Champion-sired females weren't finding homes at $500, we waited it out, even gave a few away to good friends and pet lovers.
I was offered $5000 for a show male by a broker who sells in Japan. He said we could have a terrific business and make alot of money. I declined.

It goes back to the orginial thread..you are trusting a stranger to find homes for your puppies. It is a moot point with some until they actually have a litter of puppies..then it all looks different.

[txshopper73]

The lady that I had bought Gia from used a broker...the one that lives about 30 minutes away. Katharine Endress (bad breeder) told me that she uses her because she doesn't have to worry about advertising prices or dealing with the people. She gets paid $800 for a female puppy and then the broker turns around and sells them for a much higher price. Like I said, they are like drug dealers.

[CC's]

I would never consider using a broker for my pups. I want to know where they go. I am fairly picky too.

I put one of mine in the "for sale" section here to show people looking that you can find a pup from a breeder that is close to standard, not large, heath tested and guaranteed for not an outrageous price. It doesn't matter to me if he never goes anywhere if I can't find just the right home for him. He will never end up in a cage in a pet store or on a broker list.

[minniemn]

I have my first litter at the moment... with all the love, care and concern that goes into the pups, there is no way, and no amt of money that would convince me to have someone else (broker or pet store) sell these pups.

I want to pick the homes, and the new "parents" will sign a contract stating that if for any reason they can not keep the pups at any age, I get them back.

These pups have become family to us... and won't just go to just anyone.

The lady I bought my original yorkie from was fantastic... she is a home breeder with just one female and one litter every other heat cycle... she is in mn and I would be happy to give anyone the information if they want, but I want to ask her first if it is ok to give her information out over the net. She doesn't have a web site.
~Brenda

[red98vett]

It seems this continual posting in defense of Pet Stores and Brokers is maybe more of a game on this site by certain persons/people ...than it is an effort to educate people -

Anyone who could defend Puppies being brokered out and RE-SOLD just for a higher price must not love them as much as the caring Breeders AND yorkie lovers in the world. I can't think of one single person I know who would ever defend Brokers and Pet Stores.... yet this same conversation keeps popping up...

For anyone NEW who may be reading this and gets confused - the whole idea of getting a new yorkie is to find a breeder you FEEL COMFORTABLE with -

Be VERY wary of Brokers - Any Broker - you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt...they do NOT buy from reputable breeders so you have no idea what you're really getting - a broker wants the sale..that's it.

They do NOT care that there may be a possible health problem in a year - they do NOT care that the mom and dad may have passed genetic traits to the puppy that will cause suffering to both the puppy and you - Brokers really don't care where your puppy came from - It is NOT a referal service - it's a profit business to them - nothing more.


To see posts saying this practice is OK just makes me want to sign off and stay off.

[red98vett]

I'm replying to my own post to add .....I hope Yorkietalk.com never lets brokers advertise here - I love reading what caring breeders have to say - and have learned so much from them - I also enjoy the 'Wanted' and 'For Sale' threads...etc......it gives all of us a good idea what's out there - it shows us the average price of todays yorkies available - and a WIDE range of puppies for those interested.....

but Brokers would really bother me if they were ever allowed to post on this site.

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

They do NOT care that there may be a possible health problem in a year - they do NOT care that the mom and dad may have passed genetic traits to the puppy that will cause suffering to both the puppy and you - Brokers really don't care where your puppy came from - It is NOT a referal service - it's a profit business to them - nothing more.

Villette:

I am really hesistant to ask this question for fear that it will be blown out of proportion but here goes.

What happens if you have a pup diagnosed with liver shunt that is purchased from a broker? With a reputable breeder, some kind of arrangement would be made for an exchange pup or refund of money along with retaining the pup at your own vet expense.

If you purchase from a broker, is there that type of guarantee? We know the broker is in it only for the money. I couldn't see them parting with their "commission." If the breeder sold the pup to a broker in the first place for placement, I would think the breeder would blow you off and could care less about the pup's disease.

Am I thinking about this the right way?