Breeder Costs?????

[red98vett]

I sure don't see "Everyone" wanting a deal....at least not here....when we do see that... it's usually someone who is really new to yorkies.

Most people want a healthy cute yorkie at a FAIR price....we have to trust the good ethical breeders out there to supply them for us. Of course they incur costs... but let's not be silly and think that breeding and selling yorkies should bring in many Thousands of dollars per puppy....That's overcharging.

Most of the breeders I see here are priced fair & reasonable.... AND they have gorgeous yorkies on top of it....and to keep asking them their bottom line seems a little personal to me

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I sure don't see "Everyone" wanting a deal....at least not here....when we do see that... it's usually someone who is really new to yorkies.

Most people want a healthy cute yorkie at a FAIR price....we have to trust the good ethical breeders out there to supply them for us. Of course they incur costs... but let's not be silly and think that breeding and selling yorkies should bring in many Thousands of dollars per puppy....That's overcharging.

Most of the breeders I see here are priced fair & reasonable.... AND they have gorgeous yorkies on top of it....and to keep asking them their bottom line seems a little personal to me

Villette:

I have to agree with you. I never thought about the personal nature of asking someone's bottom line for breeding before you mentioned it. I surely don't ask my accountant what his bottom line is when he charges me nor my attorney nor my doctors or hairdresser.

Lisa

[red98vett]

and good thing you don't !! LOL....You'd NEVER get a straight answer especially from the lawyer ....

I didn't mean anyone has anything to hide ....but IF I were a breeder I'd probably keep my personal business like that to myself...I guess I get that from my Dad...he is very private about his living expenses etc and would be mortified if even one of us kids knew his financial situation....

It's the same thing when people ask ME how much I spent on my girls - I ballpark the figure....but usually don't give out exact info down to the penny.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by red98vett

and good thing you don't !! LOL....You'd NEVER get a straight answer especially from the lawyer ....

I didn't mean anyone has anything to hide ....but IF I were a breeder I'd probably keep my personal business like that to myself...I guess I get that from my Dad...he is very private about his living expenses etc and would be mortified if even one of us kids knew his financial situation....

It's the same thing when people ask ME how much I spent on my girls - I ballpark the figure....but usually don't give out exact info down to the penny.

That does make alot of sense. I really just don't see the point in needing to know anyways, unless you are considering breeding yourself. I don't understand the reason for knowing this information when most people consider their finances, whatever they are, personal...at least not for the sake of "curiosity" or "just to know." Besides that, it differs from person to person as breeding practices differ from person to person, so the answer could never actually be 'exact' or even 'accurate' for that matter.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

A good breeder charges alot because the buyer gets alot....

I think this quote is what I was getting at in Post #12. I wish more people were concerend about other things than the price of the puppy and were willing to fairly compensate a good breeder for their time and effort.

My reasons for this thread are set forth in Post #12 and it is really to help the breeders because if more people realized how EXPENSIVE and time consuming it is to breed yorkies, they would not feel badly about the price of yorkie puppies. They would be willing and even eager to fairly compensate the good breeders for taking the very best care of their new family members for the first 12 weeks of it's life. They would be not be so concerned about price but rather more about the health and quality of the dog they are getting.

This thread is also to help the yorkshire terrier breed because if would be yorkie owners realized that the benefit of a good breeder who charges a "fair" price for the pups is worth every penny they are paid, they would be willing to pay more for the extras that cost like using a reproductive specialist in their program, having the pups checked by the vet at their home instead of the office where they can contract diseases, hiring extra help when needed, buying the very best supplies and food, having a vet do the vaccinations, tails and dew claws at the home instead of the vets office instead of doing it themselves to save money, keeping the pups until a minimum of 12 weeks instead of letting them go at 8 or 10 weeks to save money, etc. These are only a few examples of the areas where some breeders try to save money and it may not be what is best for the pups.

I do not feel I am asking for "personal" information here. Every good consumer researches the market and the "price" for a product and comparison shops and all good business people try to keep costs down w/o compromising their product. The good breeders on here realize that I am only asking for a "ballpark" idea of their "costs" and they are free to respond or not respond as they see fit as we are all free to do here. And I never asked for a "bottom line".

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

Villette:

I have to agree with you. I never thought about the personal nature of asking someone's bottom line for breeding before you mentioned it. I surely don't ask my accountant what his bottom line is when he charges me nor my attorney nor my doctors or hairdresser.

Lisa

i don't even ask vendors their "bottom line" at the flea market or yard sales. When I have something for sell, I price it what I think is a fair price and I don't like people asking me to come down. I certainly don't ask people to do this. of course, some people hit pay dirt doing this then go off and brag at what a good deal they got.Oh, well!!!!!

[red98vett]

I still think the best way to purchase a yorkie is research the breed - check the prices in your area ....and go from there - Also ...Word of mouth is a great way to find a good breeder....

Many people HAVE to be concerned about the price to be able to afford one...IF Every breeder had to use a Specialist or whatever you're talking about - many yorkies would be priced right out of many good homes.

No one is saying a breeder shouldn't be compensated....just the same as the BUYER shouldn't be taken advantage of.....

edited to add...I'm done here.....debate away !

[teri88]

Forget the cost, I would want to keep them all. I can't imagine raising them for 12 weeks and then giving them up. I'd end up with a housefull!

[shelbysmom]

It costs a lot to pay for a good stud, take bitch to the vet many times, pay for her care, maybe pay for a C-section, back to the vet several times but this time multiply that by number in litter. Let's not forget the proper diet, vaccines and testing.

it costs nothing to let your 2 ratty looking pets romp in the backyard then throw them a bowl of Purina when they get hungry. The Ad in the Newpaper for these "Yorkies" is the biggest expense. such a deal.

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i don't even ask vendors their "bottom line" at the flea market or yard sales. When I have something for sell, I price it what I think is a fair price and I don't like people asking me to come down. I certainly don't ask people to do this. of course, some people hit pay dirt doing this then go off and brag at what a good deal they got.Oh, well!!!!!

Sugar's Mom:

I forgot that I'm a photographer and I HATE when people ask me to cut them a deal or ask what I pay for the cost of a print when I charge them for their portrait. Some people have no manners or just weren't taught better when they ask questions like that to a professional. I inform people upfront what the prices for my products/services are and it is for them to decide if they like what I've produced in the past enough to pay my prices. The same applies to breeders. They state their prices and if someone likes their stock, then they don't mind paying what is asked.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

This thread is also to help the yorkshire terrier breed because if would be yorkie owners realized that the benefit of a good breeder who charges a "fair" price for the pups is worth every penny they are paid, they would be willing to pay more for the extras that cost like using a reproductive specialist in their program, having the pups checked by the vet at their home instead of the office where they can contract diseases, hiring extra help when needed, buying the very best supplies and food, having a vet do the vaccinations, tails and dew claws at the home instead of the vets office instead of doing it themselves to save money, keeping the pups until a minimum of 12 weeks instead of letting them go at 8 or 10 weeks to save money, etc. These are only a few examples of the areas where some breeders try to save money and it may not be what is best for the pups.

So what you're saying is that these are things "good breeders" should do? Just want to make sure that we are all getting your point in these statements as they were truly meant. You're saying that by not using a reproductive specialist, by taking pups to a vet for checkups, that docking tails and removing dew claws themselves are "areas where breeders try to save money?" I have seen many posts by breeders on here who do the tails and dewclaws themselves rather than have a vet do it. I would hate to think that some of these breeders do or don't do these things if it "may not be what is best for the pups."
Ah, but what do I know? Like I said before, I really don't understand the need for this information unless you are looking into breeding for yourself, or perhaps it is for some other reason? I don't see any breeders on here asking for help defending their practices or how and why they choose to price their pups the way they do. Oh, yeah, but all the "good breeders" as you put it understand this crusade. Since I am the one that questioned it, I guess I'm not a "good breeder?" Oh, but wait, I've only had one litter of my own....I believe that wouldn't classify me as a "breeder" at all, at least according to a previous thread. What in the world am I doing posting about this stuff if I am not even a "breeder?" Silly me...let me get out of here.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So what you're saying is that these are things "good breeders" should do? Just want to make sure that we are all getting your point in these statements as they were truly meant. You're saying that by not using a reproductive specialist, by taking pups to a vet for checkups, that docking tails and removing dew claws themselves are "areas where breeders try to save money?" I have seen many posts by breeders on here who do the tails and dewclaws themselves rather than have a vet do it. I would hate to think that some of these breeders do or don't do these things if it "may not be what is best for the pups."
Ah, but what do I know? Like I said before, I really don't understand the need for this information unless you are looking into breeding for yourself, or perhaps it is for some other reason? I don't see any breeders on here asking for help defending their practices or how and why they choose to price their pups the way they do. Oh, yeah, but all the "good breeders" as you put it understand this crusade. Since I am the one that questioned it, I guess I'm not a "good breeder?" Oh, but wait, I've only had one litter of my own....I believe that wouldn't classify me as a "breeder" at all, at least according to a previous thread. What in the world am I doing posting about this stuff if I am not even a "breeder?" Silly me...let me get out of here.

I agree. There are breeders here that do a lot of their own (from tails and claws to shots) but I would NEVER consider them bad breeders. They have my upmost respect and the respect of most all of the forum.

[gymbo68]

I find this whole thread insultive to a breeder- it really is not any of our business, if when you are looking for a breeder you have any question about their practice then you probably should not get your pup from them. JMHO

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by gymbo68

I find this whole thread insultive to a breeder- it really is not any of our business, if when you are looking for a breeder you have any question about their practice then you probably should not get your pup from them. JMHO

There is nothing "insultive" or insulting about this thread. In fact it is very Pro-breeder. It is all about recognizing the expense and hard work that goes into breeding yorkies and the fact that the breeders who demand fair compensation for their puppies can afford the very best for their pups. I was not implying that breeders who do their own tails, dew claws and vaccines are bad breeders and those of you who are accusing me of this are just "reaching" as usual to find something to "shake your heads about".

Yorkie Rose said "A GOOD BREEDER CHARGES A LOT"...does this mean that she thinks breeders who don't charge alot are bad breeders? No, and none of you would accuse her of that because you know that is NOT what she meant.

So why do it to me?

I know there are valid reasons for doing your own tails, dew claws and vaccines like not wanting the pups exposed to the risks and stress of travel to the vets office and feeling that you do it better and more compassionately than the vet after so many years of experience. I respect this......my examples were merely that...examples...and not an implication of anything bad or negative. We all have read the threads where breeders have admitted to doing all of these things to save money. I am just pointing out that there is a way to not have to cut costs...charge a fair price for your pups......hopefully the buyers will recognize what you have put into these babies and not complain.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

These are only a few examples of the areas where some breeders try to save money and it may not be what is best for the pups.

Your words and your's alone. YOU are the one that implied that by doing this, the pups' best interest may not be at hand.