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SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-10-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

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Your words and your's alone. YOU are the one that implied that by doing this, the pups' best interest may not be at hand.

Exactly...with the operative word being "MAY". It depends on the reasons and the circumstances of each situation.

gymbo68 · 01-10-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

There is nothing "insultive" or insulting about this thread. In fact it is very Pro-breeder. It is all about recognizing the expense and hard work that goes into breeding yorkies and the fact that the breeders who demand fair compensation for their puppies can afford the very best for their pups. I was not implying that breeders who do their own tails, dew claws and vaccines are bad breeders and those of you who are accusing me of this are just "reaching" as usual to find something to "shake your heads about".

Yorkie Rose said "A GOOD BREEDER CHARGES A LOT"...does this mean that she thinks breeders who don't charge alot are bad breeders? No, and none of you would accuse her of that because you know that is NOT what she meant.

So why do it to me?

I know there are valid reasons for doing your own tails, dew claws and vaccines like not wanting the pups exposed to the risks and stress of travel to the vets office and feeling that you do it better and more compassionately than the vet after so many years of experience. I respect this......my examples were merely that...examples...and not an implication of anything bad or negative. We all have read the threads where breeders have admitted to doing all of these things to save money. I am just pointing out that there is a way to not have to cut costs...charge a fair price for your pups......hopefully the buyers will recognize what you have put into these babies and not complain.

Please allow me to explain my comment- In my opine breeding is a type of business- as an owner of a retail store this thread would be no different than asking me what my margins are- I would not share that as it is my business- I feel we owe our breeders here some amount of respect- that while it is nice to ask them "what if" questions to help occasionally I believe that this type of thread crosses the line. Some things are not anyones business and money happens- in my opine- to fall in that category.

As for why do it to you- I am not clear what that means, but you were the one who "bumped" this up. So if you take my comments as directed at that ok, but that is your decision.

BamaFan121s · 01-10-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gymbo68

As for why do it to you- I am not clear what that means, but you were the one who "bumped" this up. So if you take my comments as directed at that ok, but that is your decision.

That was what I was wondering to begin with. I think all breeders are quite aware of their own expenses and the costs involved. I don't understand who is in need of beeing defended and who exactly needs all this explained to them.

I continue to think there is another, unforseen motivation for this thread because I really don't understand the point. But hey, I'm sure the "good breeders" here understand it perfectly.

feminvstr · 01-10-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

[/B]Your words and your's alone. YOU are the one that implied that by doing this, the pups' best interest may not be at hand.

indeed!!! making judgement based on reading not experience, period!

I said this on another thread and I will say it again "until you've walked in our shoes all you have are opinions." Nothing more nothing less! Take it for what its worth.

Carters Mom · 01-10-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I was not implying that breeders who do their own tails, dew claws and vaccines are bad breeders and those of you who are accusing me of this are just "reaching" as usual to find something to "shake your heads about".

Yorkie Rose said "A GOOD BREEDER CHARGES A LOT"...does this mean that she thinks breeders who don't charge alot are bad breeders? No, and none of you would accuse her of that because you know that is NOT what she meant.

So why do it to me?

My maternal grandmother was a very wise woman who had many wise sayings. I wish my children would have had the opportunity to know her and learn from her.

One wise saying that I can remember vividly is "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

I think sometimes you take things personally and they may have not meant to be that way.

shyorkies · 01-10-2006, 08:34 PM

The only reason I posted to this thread was to maybe open the eyes of some people.. I think alot of people do not realize how much time or money goes into a litter of puppies, let alone just being a breeder! When we do not have puppies to place we still are hopefully obligated to give our yorkies wonderful care, which is NOT cheap! I NEVER decided to breed/show yorkies so that I could make a ton of money, it will NEVER happen! I do it because I love the breed and my goal is to better what I have everytime I breed for a litter of pups.. My own opinion is "If you make alot of money off of your dogs/puppies you are cutting alot of corners and NOT doing everything right by your dogs!".. JMHO..

fl24019 · 01-10-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Now if all goes wrong..add about $2000 to the total above...but that varies from area to area.

Plus the possibility of losing your girl. If she's a CH that can mean a substantial investment and who can calculate the cost of a broken heart.

I haven't read the entire thread, but I hope it will help educate some that there is a fair "range" of puppy prices that I like to compare to adoption fees. It's not like buying a car or a new pair of shoes, it's more like paying an adoption fee and then claiming this little life as your own.

txshopper73 · 01-10-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fl24019

It's not like buying a car or a new pair of shoes, it's more like paying an adoption fee and then claiming this little life as your own.

Well said!

alpayton · 01-10-2006, 09:57 PM

The thing I think some people don't understand is that there is no MSRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price) that has been set on puppies and there is no governing agency that is going to do so. I totally agree with the post that said basically, you wouldn't go into a store and say, "Just how much do you have in this desk? I want to buy it but I don't want you to pocket too much." The prices breeders ask are set at that price for a reason. Some people ask too much. Some people are not reasonable people and through proper research, you'll determine just who they are and you won't pad their pockets any more than they already are. Each breeder has a product (the puppy) and each breeder is fully welcome to set their price wherever on the scale they would like to set it. As for the amount that they should get for their time in raising these precious babies, their time is as valuable as their lives warrant.

The above statements are my opinions only. Thank you.

Snow Yorkies · 01-11-2006, 12:21 AM

I invite anyone that what to know what we go through as breeders... pack you bags and go spend sometime with a breeder...

You want finanical information contact my accountant...

It isn't cheap!!! Do we make $$$, some after a 3 year investment time. Nothing to go take a trip around the world on. (This is something we can't do...Who would tend to the kids??) Why do we do this, sometimes I wonder... especially after losing a pup. I guess the rewards is when you see a face light up on a new pet owners face this is where we get our payment...

bettyeanne · 01-11-2006, 03:31 AM

I would like to apoligize for reading them, although I didn't read all this thread! I felt like I was "eavesdropping" on a private conversation or looking at someones underwear! I cannot understand why anyone would possibly ask such "intimate" information from anyone! It's like the threads asking "What did you pay for your Yorkie?" There's noone on this forum that knows what we paid for Toto and because of ethical breeders, such as yourselves and knowing what we know now, we would have paid ten times that figure!!

I, personally, would like to thank you all for your selfless dedication to this breed! Because of breeders like you, we have not been subjected to the heartache that some have experienced because of careless/greedy breeding practices!! Our breeder is so truthful and wonderful, sometimes when I look at our precious baby, I feel that I should pay her again because of the unbelievable happiness our Toto brings us!!

hasrv4fun · 01-11-2006, 04:46 AM

I just read this entire thread and I have to say I am shocked at the lack of manners of some.

I think now that we should ask every one on YT exactly what they make at their jobs. LOL How rude would that be ? What a breeders bottom line is, is no ones business anymore than if they worked at Wal-Mart or for General Motors. Where do we have the right to ask ?

Some times I have money after all those little bundles of joy go out the door and sometimes, not. How Much is my Business !!! JMHO

wnalegria · 01-11-2006, 04:51 AM

Some threads are best left alone. No mater how you answer you are going to fall into the toilet when you give your honnest and innocent answer.

It should not take a rocket scientist to figure out that some people spend more in producing their babies then others. It is quite evident when you look at the diverse quality of the yorkies that you see here, in the park at the vet anywhere that you see dogs. We see this in every breed. If you take poor quality dogs and breed them you are not going to place a large investment financially in how you raise your puppies. You have all ready shown this by the quality of the dogs you have chosen to breed and produce the puppies.

It is personal choice why some give their own shots and dock tails and remove dewclaws- I do not feel just a way to cut the costs on puppies.
Docking your own tails gives you the option to make sure that each tail is docked to the exact length that you want. When a vet docks the tail you can state how long and then you hope they have the right length. I have had some tails too short and some a tad too long .

Gazou · 01-11-2006, 04:52 AM

I consider that I don't have to tell peoples about the amount I use for raising a litter .

jer_lin · 01-11-2006, 08:34 AM

Some are asking about money !! We had two yorkies for about three years;they both were spade; When we decided to breed yorkies our initial investment was $9000.00;so go figure from that.

01-10-2006, 08:34 PM	#51
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Breeder Cost The only reason I posted to this thread was to maybe open the eyes of some people.. I think alot of people do not realize how much time or money goes into a litter of puppies, let alone just being a breeder! When we do not have puppies to place we still are hopefully obligated to give our yorkies wonderful care, which is NOT cheap! I NEVER decided to breed/show yorkies so that I could make a ton of money, it will NEVER happen! I do it because I love the breed and my goal is to better what I have everytime I breed for a litter of pups.. My own opinion is "If you make alot of money off of your dogs/puppies you are cutting alot of corners and NOT doing everything right by your dogs!".. JMHO..

01-10-2006, 09:57 PM	#54
alpayton Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bowling Green KY Posts: 425	The thing I think some people don't understand is that there is no MSRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price) that has been set on puppies and there is no governing agency that is going to do so. I totally agree with the post that said basically, you wouldn't go into a store and say, "Just how much do you have in this desk? I want to buy it but I don't want you to pocket too much." The prices breeders ask are set at that price for a reason. Some people ask too much. Some people are not reasonable people and through proper research, you'll determine just who they are and you won't pad their pockets any more than they already are. Each breeder has a product (the puppy) and each breeder is fully welcome to set their price wherever on the scale they would like to set it. As for the amount that they should get for their time in raising these precious babies, their time is as valuable as their lives warrant. The above statements are my opinions only. Thank you. __________________ ~Amanda * Biewers: Armani & Titan

01-11-2006, 12:21 AM	#55
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,684	I invite anyone that what to know what we go through as breeders... pack you bags and go spend sometime with a breeder... You want finanical information contact my accountant... It isn't cheap!!! Do we make $$$, some after a 3 year investment time. Nothing to go take a trip around the world on. (This is something we can't do...Who would tend to the kids??) Why do we do this, sometimes I wonder... especially after losing a pup. I guess the rewards is when you see a face light up on a new pet owners face this is where we get our payment... __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BAPPC

01-11-2006, 03:31 AM	#56
bettyeanne Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama, etc. Posts: 9,031	To the breeders who posted replies, I would like to apoligize for reading them, although I didn't read all this thread! I felt like I was "eavesdropping" on a private conversation or looking at someones underwear! I cannot understand why anyone would possibly ask such "intimate" information from anyone! It's like the threads asking "What did you pay for your Yorkie?" There's noone on this forum that knows what we paid for Toto and because of ethical breeders, such as yourselves and knowing what we know now, we would have paid ten times that figure!! I, personally, would like to thank you all for your selfless dedication to this breed! Because of breeders like you, we have not been subjected to the heartache that some have experienced because of careless/greedy breeding practices!! Our breeder is so truthful and wonderful, sometimes when I look at our precious baby, I feel that I should pay her again because of the unbelievable happiness our Toto brings us!! __________________ Toto's Mom - http://www.dogster.com/?206581 Yorkie Rescue Colorado - http://www.yorkierescuecolorado.com/ "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." -- Albert Einstein

01-11-2006, 04:46 AM	#57
hasrv4fun Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 496	I just read this entire thread and I have to say I am shocked at the lack of manners of some. I think now that we should ask every one on YT exactly what they make at their jobs. LOL How rude would that be ? What a breeders bottom line is, is no ones business anymore than if they worked at Wal-Mart or for General Motors. Where do we have the right to ask ? Some times I have money after all those little bundles of joy go out the door and sometimes, not. How Much is my Business !!! JMHO __________________ Helen & Furkids HAVE YOU HUGGED YOUR YORKIE (or any dog)TODAY

01-11-2006, 04:51 AM	#58
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Some threads are best left alone. No mater how you answer you are going to fall into the toilet when you give your honnest and innocent answer. It should not take a rocket scientist to figure out that some people spend more in producing their babies then others. It is quite evident when you look at the diverse quality of the yorkies that you see here, in the park at the vet anywhere that you see dogs. We see this in every breed. If you take poor quality dogs and breed them you are not going to place a large investment financially in how you raise your puppies. You have all ready shown this by the quality of the dogs you have chosen to breed and produce the puppies. It is personal choice why some give their own shots and dock tails and remove dewclaws- I do not feel just a way to cut the costs on puppies. Docking your own tails gives you the option to make sure that each tail is docked to the exact length that you want. When a vet docks the tail you can state how long and then you hope they have the right length. I have had some tails too short and some a tad too long .

01-11-2006, 04:52 AM	#59
Gazou YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,180	I consider that I don't have to tell peoples about the amount I use for raising a litter .