Breeder Costs?????

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I invite anyone that what to know what we go through as breeders... pack you bags and go spend sometime with a breeder... You want finanical information contact my accountant... It isn't cheap!!! Do we make $$$, some after a 3 year investment time. Nothing to go take a trip around the world on. (This is something we can't do...Who would tend to the kids??) Why do we do this, sometimes I wonder... especially after losing a pup. I guess the rewards is when you see a face light up on a new pet owners face this is where we get our payment...

I chose to personally not post my "cost stats" on this thread and I'm not going to. I would have to say that I couldn't have said it better than the above quote.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I guess the rewards is when you see a face light up on a new pet owners face this is where we get our payment...

I couldn't agree with this more. This is a point I've tried to explain to people God only knows how many times. Still, they seem baffled. I think it is just something that you can't understand until you've been there.

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by hasrv4fun

I just read this entire thread and I have to say I am shocked at the lack of manners of some.

I think now that we should ask every one on YT exactly what they make at their jobs. LOL How rude would that be ? What a breeders bottom line is, is no ones business anymore than if they worked at Wal-Mart or for General Motors. Where do we have the right to ask ?

Some times I have money after all those little bundles of joy go out the door and sometimes, not. How Much is my Business !!! JMHO

Well said
And it is not anyones business-

Maybe we should be asking those that are interested how much their annual salary is?? That would be a comparable question-

[bettyeanne]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I invite anyone that what to know what we go through as breeders... pack you bags and go spend sometime with a breeder... You want finanical information contact my accountant... It isn't cheap!!! Do we make $$$, some after a 3 year investment time. Nothing to go take a trip around the world on. (This is something we can't do...Who would tend to the kids??) Why do we do this, sometimes I wonder... especially after losing a pup. I guess the rewards is when you see a face light up on a new pet owners face this is where we get our payment...

Having been on the "receiving end" of all this committment & love .... thank you!! I tell our breeder every time I talk to her how very much we appreciate all her effort and for the wonderful gift she gave us when we were chosen for Toto's forever parents!! And you're absolutely right, especially breeders who also show, there couldn't possibly be any profit after all the expenses!!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by jer_lin

Some are asking about money !! We had two yorkies for about three years;they both were spade; When we decided to breed yorkies our initial investment was $9000.00;so go figure from that.

Thanks Jerry! Your baby is adorable!! Glad you got some girls!!

I think this thread has gotten way off topic with quite a few posts from people indignant that I would have the gall to ask Breeders to explain to the general public WHY yorkie puppies are so expensive to breed.

That is all this thread was for...a chance for breeders to explain to us, the lay people, what all goes into raising a puppy and why yorkies cost what they do but are so worth it as we all agree.

I was simply getting tired of people complaining about how $1000 is too much to pay and how that is "gouging" the consumer and that those breeders who charge that and more are just in it "for the money" and don't really care about the dogs. I was also tired of people telling me that I got "taken" or that "there are fools born every minute" who will pay that kind of money, etc.

The whole point was to help the good breeders and the breed in general and I am saddened that suddenly I am being called rude for attempting to bring this to light. I never asked anyone to reveal any "secrets" or "bottomlines" or anything of the sort as has been suggested.

I have never paid less than $2000 for a yorkie....and I have never asked for a discount. I always paid what the breeder was asking after establishng a good relationship with them. They are in my life for as long as the dog is and I feel I got a "steal" in every instance. I am so appreciative of all of the breeders who brought my babies into this world and gave them such a good atart.

I just paid $1200 to have Buddha's baby teeth removed by a dental veterinary specialist too, and it was worth every penny just for the peace of mind that it gave me to know that he was receiving the very best care. I want that for all of the furbabies in the world.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I think this thread has gotten way off topic with quite a few posts from people indignant that I would have the gall to ask Breeders to explain to the general public WHY yorkie puppies are so expensive to breed.

But that's exactly what you did!!! YOU asked what the expenses were. YOU bumped this thread up so you could get more responses from breeders that post regularly now. Well, don't blame everyone here if the responses you got were "It's none of your business!" I don't think it's right to be so densive, YOU brought it up and YOU asked for feedback--sorry if you didn't get the answers you wanted. If you don't want honest opinions and feedback, don't ask for them!

[feminvstr]

Plain and simple - what it cost any breeder to breed their interpretation of the Yorkshire Terrier Breed standard, is there business! Whether they choose to perform some proceedures themself is their business, whether they use a reproduction specialist, or a trusted vet is their business, whether they use a mid-wife is there business, whether they work outside the home is their business, whether they make a profit or are in the red each year is their business, how they reinvest any profits from a placement is their business.

What a breeder puts into their breeding program shows in their end result, happy, healthy well cared for puppies. Everyone has their own personal thoughts on what their ideal yorkie should look like, as well, know their personal finances and allot accordingly. What any breeder spends to accomplish a perfect breeding (in their eyes) is apparent in the puppy theyre placing, some pups simply look of better quality, health, conformation than others, or perhaps hold a better pedigree. This is why it's vital buyers are educated in the breed and more importantly the breed standard "look before they leap" so to speak.

I live by these old adages "You get what you pay for!" , "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", "if it sounds too good to be true, then it is" "Quality not Quantity" and finally "Engage brain before Gob!"

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I was also tired of people telling me that I got "taken" or that "there are fools born every minute" who will pay that kind of money, etc.

It is obvious that you love your animals and that should be all that matters- cost is irrelevant- as long as the end user-(you) are happy with your purchase that is enough.

People are entitled to their opinion and the beautiful part of it is you get to ignore it. You do not regret the purchase and love your babies and that should be enough for anyone. Who cares how much they cost?

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I never asked anyone to reveal any "secrets" or "bottomlines" or anything of the sort as has been suggested.

But you did you just fail to see it. Anytime you ask someone how much they have into something you are asking for their bottomline- take that number from what they charge and you have their profit- and again that is not something any person should have to divulge and to implore it is just like asking them how much money they make- same result just worded different- and in my opine it is wrong. From the sound of it others agree.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Plain and simple - what it cost any breeder to breed their interpretation of the Yorkshire Terrier Breed standard, is there business! Whether they choose to perform some proceedures themself is their business, whether they use a reproduction specialist, or a trusted vet is their business, whether they use a mid-wife is there business, whether they work outside the home is their business, whether they make a profit or are in the red each year is their business, how they reinvest any profits from a placement is their business.

What a breeder puts into their breeding program shows in their end result, happy, healthy well cared for puppies. Everyone has their own personal thoughts on what their ideal yorkie should look like, as well, know their personal finances and allot accordingly. What any breeder spends to accomplish a perfect breeding (in their eyes) is apparent in the puppy theyre placing, some pups simply look of better quality, health, conformation than others, or perhaps hold a better pedigree. This is why it's vital buyers are educated in the breed and more importantly the breed standard "look before they leap" so to speak.

I live by these old adages "You get what you pay for!" , "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", "if it sounds too good to be true, then it is" "Quality not Quantity" and finally "Engage brain before Gob!"

But some people don't get it. They believe all YOrkies are the same. (which is why we get the bragging over the low price versions) I think this thread has a place in explaining the difference. I don't think anyone expected personal receipts, just a general analysis of what costs there are. The things buyers are not aware of.

All Yorkies are not the same. Learning where fair pricing comes from is all part of being a good buyer.

Big difference between shopping at Wallmart and shopping at Nordstrom. It's no secret why their prices are different.

[schatzie]

Originally Posted by bettyeanne

Having been on the "receiving end" of all this committment & love .... thank you!! I tell our breeder every time I talk to her how very much we appreciate all her effort and for the wonderful gift she gave us when we were chosen for Toto's forever parents!! And you're absolutely right, especially breeders who also show, there couldn't possibly be any profit after all the expenses!!

Oh how so much I agree!! The words "wonderful gift, chosen, and forever parents" are etched in my heart. These words come into mind everyday when I look into the eyes of my fur babies!!

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

But that's exactly what you did!!! YOU asked what the expenses were. YOU bumped this thread up so you could get more responses from breeders that post regularly now. Well, don't blame everyone here if the responses you got were "It's none of your business!" I don't think it's right to be so densive, YOU brought it up and YOU asked for feedback--sorry if you didn't get the answers you wanted. If you don't want honest opinions and feedback, don't ask for them!

I agree . . . thus the point of my prior post

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

My maternal grandmother was a very wise woman who had many wise sayings.

One wise saying that I can remember vividly is "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

[PlatinumYorkies]

I think asking someone about their expenses and what they take in..Is like asking a lady her weight, or age..Something that should never be done! With that being said, I understand how some feel about other people's opinion's about how much you paid for your ever faithful love, and companion. They say Love don't cost a thing...But, they never looked into the hearts Of Yorkies, Breeders, and their owners.....

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I couldn't agree with this more. This is a point I've tried to explain to people God only knows how many times. Still, they seem baffled. I think it is just something that you can't understand until you've been there.

Please do not take offense to this but...I just don't think the joyous look on someone's face when holding a puppy would be enough to make me risk the life of my female......not that any amount of money would either. Don't get me wrong.....I appreciate all of the breeders out there because I am one of those people whose face lights up, but when I look at my little girls and I read the risks involved to the females and hear the stories of so many breeders on here who have lost females or even "almost" lost females, I just cannot imagine making the decision to breed even if they were 6 or 7 lbs. That is why I am always curious to know the motivation because I know how hard it is, how expensive it is and what the risks are.

As for the posts claiming this thread to be rude and overreaching, I just find it curious that it did not get this reaction when it was first posted months ago. It wasn't until I bumped it up now that anyone said anything negative. In fact the responses the first time were from well respected and wonderful breeder members who had no probelm with sharing what they could.

Don't worry Lisa...I can take the heat, and I am not "getting out of the kitchen".....lol.....

Thank you Shelbysmom for pointing out what I was trying to explain about why this is a valid thread and an important one. It helps someone looking for a yorkie to understand the costs that they may be unaware of and give them a better feeling about why yorkies are so expensive and SHOULD be so expensive if they are healthy and well cared for.

I didn't ask for a "bottomline" because I did not ask them what they charge so there is no way to figure a bottom line.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Please do not take offense to this but...I just don't think the joyous look on someone's face when holding a puppy would be enough to make me risk the life of my female......not that any amount of money would either. Don't get me wrong.....I appreciate all of the breeders out there because I am one of those people whose face lights up, but when I look at my little girls and I read the risks involved to the females and hear the stories of so many breeders on here who have lost females or even "almost" lost females, I just cannot imagine making the decision to breed even if they were 6 or 7 lbs. That is why I am always curious to know the motivation because I know how hard it is, how expensive it is and what the risks are.

As for the posts claiming this thread to be rude and overreaching, I just find it curious that it did not get this reaction when it was first posted months ago. It wasn't until I bumped it up now that anyone said anything negative. In fact the responses the first time were from well respected and wonderful breeder members who had no probelm with sharing what they could.

Yes Kim, we are all aware that this is an aspect of breeding that you just don't get. Furthermore, not that you are implying it--I don't think you are, but just to point out, because you feel this way and because breeders do make their decision, it doesn't mean they care about their females any less than you care about your little ones. Many breeders here, including myself, have attemtped to explain their motivation for breeding to you several times before and each time you state that because of this, you don't understand, which is fine...you feel how you feel. But why repeatedly question the breeders here for making this choice despite the risks, which they all seem well aware of? Thus far, no explanation given has been "acceptable," so why continue to push the issue and question others? You don't get it, some others accept it, why not just leave it at that?

As far as not understanding why you have been treated rudely, I really can't give you any explanation as to why you didn't receive these types of responses back in May. Fact being, this is how people are responding now so YOU have to decide if this is something you are willing to continue to push, despite the fact as beeing labeled as "rude" by some. Honestly, I don't think it will matter if you do or not. I am sure that like so many other threads here lately, tempers have flared on both sides and this thread too will eventually be locked.