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Sugar's Mom · 02-19-2007, 05:32 AM

hey guys, I was going to buy a female puppy from a certain showw breeder (not a member here) that has aa list of champions a milee long. I found out she was associated with a bad breeder as friends from the breeders review here. I started questioning her as to whether she ever had her female throw chocolate pups. Very honestly she said yes I have. Then went on to tell me she was feeding a certain kind of dog food and when she switched dog food, the chocolates stopped coming. Now even a novice like myself knows better than that. i would never, ever purchase or breed a dog that I knew carried the chocolate gene.

YorkieRose · 02-19-2007, 07:45 AM

What sets breeders apart is what they do about problems that crop up..NOT the fact problems crop up. All breeders will have problems..breed long enough and you will no doubt experince just about everything.
I would not find fault with a breeder who got non-standard colors or even two headed, flying Yorkies...I would find fault with what they did after producing these puppies...( I might add, as a breeder it is my right to express my opinions of my own kind).
If you decide you want to be known as ethical, you reframe from a repeat breeding, if not, you promote these as rare and sell them for $5000...

Bdmcs324 · 02-19-2007, 10:55 AM

Well personally I want a chocolate yorkie and I see nothing wrong with them. I'm not trying to have a show dog and if it is a happy, healthy, chocolate yorkie I see nothing wrong with it. Yes you can all grill me about not making the "breed better" or it not meeting standards .... it is still a yorkshire terrier .. just a different color.

lisatodd · 02-19-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdmcs324

Well personally I want a chocolate yorkie and I see nothing wrong with them. I'm not trying to have a show dog and if it is a happy, healthy, chocolate yorkie I see nothing wrong with it. Yes you can all grill me about not making the "breed better" or it not meeting standards .... it is still a yorkshire terrier .. just a different color.

hummmmmmmm..i wont go there. i will just sit back and watch

YorkieRose · 02-19-2007, 12:24 PM

You are right, there is nothing wrong with a chocolate, parti, red, blue, yellow or green..they make wonderful pets. I certainly would not destroy a pup who was born a non-standard color..but I also would not repeat the breeding, register it and sell it as an AKC Yorkie..even though I could if I wanted to...see my point? Other breeders are free to do as they please...and I am free to express my opinion, as you..thank you for your opinion.

Bdmcs324 · 02-19-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd

hummmmmmmm..i wont go there. i will just sit back and watch

Why wont you "go there" I am asking for people's help and opinion. Obviously you have nothing but rude things to say and no real advice. So thanks for not going there.

Bdmcs324 · 02-19-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

You are right, there is nothing wrong with a chocolate, parti, red, blue, yellow or green..they make wonderful pets. I certainly would not destroy a pup who was born a non-standard color..but I also would not repeat the breeding, register it and sell it as an AKC Yorkie..even though I could if I wanted to...see my point? Other breeders are free to do as they please...and I am free to express my opinion, as you..thank you for your opinion.

Yes I do see your point. But you can register chocolates AKC.. so if they accept it why isn't is standard or okay? I am not trying to argue I really am just wondering because I have no idea about these things. Also is there a certain % chance that his offspring will be chocolate or is it just kind of a toss up?

YorkieRose · 02-19-2007, 01:32 PM

I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors.
YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles..

I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene.

Bdmcs324 · 02-19-2007, 02:01 PM

[QUOTE=YorkieRose;962890]I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors.
YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles..

I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your help! This is the information I was looking for. Do you know where to find a description of the standard set by YTCA?

YorkieRose · 02-19-2007, 02:09 PM

When you read the Yorkie standard in any book, web site etc..that is the only standard..there are not different ones devised by different groups of breeders..AKC accepts what the YTCA decides...AKC does tell the YTCA what the standard will be...quite the opposite.

Go to the YTCA web site to read the standard..it might be here some place...

YorkieRose · 02-19-2007, 02:16 PM

AKC DOES NOT tell the YTCA what the standard will be...sorry I miss typed..

topknot · 02-19-2007, 03:53 PM

I gave you the link to YTCA in slide 10.
I looked at your profile and you are still young, planning
to be a teacher. I have been teaching now for 15 years. So you know about ethics. Just like we have ethics for teaching we have ethics for breeding.
It does come down to learning and knowing about the standard and what is best for the breed. The chocolate pups are born with the bb gene, but yorkies should only carry the dominent BB gene. Yes, it is a recessive gene being passed on to the pups from the parents. Apparently the parents were regular color, but carry this gene. As concerned breeders we should only want to breed dogs that are producing the acceptable color as well as breeding only ones that have the acceptable color. We should only want the true blue and gold color, because this is what the Yorkshire Terrier is suppose to be. Any other color makes the pup something else. Yes, at first I too thought the chocolate/liver color was cute. Would I breed for this? - no way! If people continue to breed knowing that their yorkie carries the bb gene or produces pups of this chocolate/liver color or any other color there is out there other than the acceptable true color - ourYorkshire Terrier breed can shortly become something else. I feel in love with the yorkshire terrier many years ago and love it in for the standard it is - I do not want it to change.
I am so glad that you are open and willing to learn and know more about our breed we both love so much.
T.

topknot · 02-19-2007, 04:17 PM

Opps! Here is the link again for YTCA @ Yorkshire Terrier Standard: http://ytca.org/standard.html

And here is AKC Yorkshire Terrier standard repeated: http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm

I hope this helps in your search. I am sure that Ludo is very sweet!
T.

Bdmcs324 · 02-19-2007, 06:13 PM

Okay so let me get this straight. Since Ludo does carry the chocolate gene (but he is not chocolate) .. then if the female does not carry the chocolate gene there is no chance for them to have chocolate offspring.

Thank you all for your help. As I said I don't know much about breeding and I was not aware of how important it was to strive for the best standard pups. I hope Ludo can one day be a dad, but if it will 100% result in chocolate or the wrong colored pups I understand it is the wrong thing to do. I just though it would be special for him to help raise his own baby.

I guess if I want a chocolate yorkie I should not hope that Ludo will have one, but find one that is already born and have it as my loving pet!

I am sorry if I offended any breeders. I am just young and curious and not wanting to make any mistakes!!!

lisatodd · 02-20-2007, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdmcs324

Why wont you "go there" I am asking for people's help and opinion. Obviously you have nothing but rude things to say and no real advice. So thanks for not going there.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT!!!! I WAS GOING TO BE RUDE BUT DECIDED NOT TO POST MY THOUGHTS FOR FEAR OF BEING BANNED.

02-19-2007, 05:32 AM	#16
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	Something funny!!!!!! hey guys, I was going to buy a female puppy from a certain showw breeder (not a member here) that has aa list of champions a milee long. I found out she was associated with a bad breeder as friends from the breeders review here. I started questioning her as to whether she ever had her female throw chocolate pups. Very honestly she said yes I have. Then went on to tell me she was feeding a certain kind of dog food and when she switched dog food, the chocolates stopped coming. Now even a novice like myself knows better than that. i would never, ever purchase or breed a dog that I knew carried the chocolate gene.

02-19-2007, 07:45 AM	#17
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Ethic's What sets breeders apart is what they do about problems that crop up..NOT the fact problems crop up. All breeders will have problems..breed long enough and you will no doubt experince just about everything. I would not find fault with a breeder who got non-standard colors or even two headed, flying Yorkies...I would find fault with what they did after producing these puppies...( I might add, as a breeder it is my right to express my opinions of my own kind). If you decide you want to be known as ethical, you reframe from a repeat breeding, if not, you promote these as rare and sell them for $5000... Last edited by YorkieRose; 02-19-2007 at 07:49 AM.

02-19-2007, 10:55 AM	#18
Bdmcs324 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 185	Well personally I want a chocolate yorkie and I see nothing wrong with them. I'm not trying to have a show dog and if it is a happy, healthy, chocolate yorkie I see nothing wrong with it. Yes you can all grill me about not making the "breed better" or it not meeting standards .... it is still a yorkshire terrier .. just a different color. __________________ Hold your head up.

02-19-2007, 12:24 PM	#20
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeding You are right, there is nothing wrong with a chocolate, parti, red, blue, yellow or green..they make wonderful pets. I certainly would not destroy a pup who was born a non-standard color..but I also would not repeat the breeding, register it and sell it as an AKC Yorkie..even though I could if I wanted to...see my point? Other breeders are free to do as they please...and I am free to express my opinion, as you..thank you for your opinion. Last edited by YorkieRose; 02-19-2007 at 12:26 PM.

02-19-2007, 01:32 PM	#23
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Akc I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors. YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles.. I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene. Last edited by YorkieRose; 02-19-2007 at 01:35 PM.

02-19-2007, 02:01 PM	#24
Bdmcs324 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 185	[QUOTE=YorkieRose;962890]I realize you can register any color with AKC...but the standard is set by the YTCA and they have decided not to allow these non-standard colors. YTCA is not God, but I accept the clubs bylaws, rules and regs, because IMO they have the best interest of the Yorkie at heart ..so I choose to adher to the rules...now if I decided not to adher, then I would do all I could to promote change, not breed any color I choose and say the standard is wrong...as it reads now, the standard is the last word. If I want colors, I will get into Poms or Poodles.. I would think your male bred to a line of B/G will only produce B/G. It is recessive..so both must carry the gene.[/QUOTE] Thank you for your help! This is the information I was looking for. Do you know where to find a description of the standard set by YTCA? __________________ Hold your head up.

02-19-2007, 02:09 PM	#25
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	standard When you read the Yorkie standard in any book, web site etc..that is the only standard..there are not different ones devised by different groups of breeders..AKC accepts what the YTCA decides...AKC does tell the YTCA what the standard will be...quite the opposite. Go to the YTCA web site to read the standard..it might be here some place...

02-19-2007, 02:16 PM	#26
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	miss type AKC DOES NOT tell the YTCA what the standard will be...sorry I miss typed..

02-19-2007, 03:53 PM	#27
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I gave you the link to YTCA in slide 10. I looked at your profile and you are still young, planning to be a teacher. I have been teaching now for 15 years. So you know about ethics. Just like we have ethics for teaching we have ethics for breeding. It does come down to learning and knowing about the standard and what is best for the breed. The chocolate pups are born with the bb gene, but yorkies should only carry the dominent BB gene. Yes, it is a recessive gene being passed on to the pups from the parents. Apparently the parents were regular color, but carry this gene. As concerned breeders we should only want to breed dogs that are producing the acceptable color as well as breeding only ones that have the acceptable color. We should only want the true blue and gold color, because this is what the Yorkshire Terrier is suppose to be. Any other color makes the pup something else. Yes, at first I too thought the chocolate/liver color was cute. Would I breed for this? - no way! If people continue to breed knowing that their yorkie carries the bb gene or produces pups of this chocolate/liver color or any other color there is out there other than the acceptable true color - ourYorkshire Terrier breed can shortly become something else. I feel in love with the yorkshire terrier many years ago and love it in for the standard it is - I do not want it to change. I am so glad that you are open and willing to learn and know more about our breed we both love so much. T.

02-19-2007, 04:17 PM	#28
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Opps! Here is the link again for YTCA @ Yorkshire Terrier Standard: http://ytca.org/standard.html And here is AKC Yorkshire Terrier standard repeated: http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm I hope this helps in your search. I am sure that Ludo is very sweet! T.

02-19-2007, 06:13 PM	#29
Bdmcs324 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 185	Okay so let me get this straight. Since Ludo does carry the chocolate gene (but he is not chocolate) .. then if the female does not carry the chocolate gene there is no chance for them to have chocolate offspring. Thank you all for your help. As I said I don't know much about breeding and I was not aware of how important it was to strive for the best standard pups. I hope Ludo can one day be a dad, but if it will 100% result in chocolate or the wrong colored pups I understand it is the wrong thing to do. I just though it would be special for him to help raise his own baby. I guess if I want a chocolate yorkie I should not hope that Ludo will have one, but find one that is already born and have it as my loving pet! I am sorry if I offended any breeders. I am just young and curious and not wanting to make any mistakes!!! __________________ Hold your head up.