Color Question

[Breny]

I posted in another thread that I may be looking to ad another female to my breeding program this year. I stated I was looking for a lighter color...more creamy.

I currently have a female this week at my home that I'm conducting stud service for. I just fell in love with her coloring. She's beautiful !!!

Now keep in mind I am new starting out. Have had two litters so far so I am in continual learning mode and plan to learn and learn and learn.

I've been told that her coloring is a flaw and I shouldn't look for that coloring to add to my breeding program. I respect all opinions, like I said I want to learn all I can !!! I respect this persons opinion, as she has not steered me wrong.

I'm posting to learn what others may think as well.

I appreciate your opinions....

[JeanieK]

I think it may be a flaw, but if it is beautiful and people want yorkies that color, then why not?

It's not like you are attempting to change the standards, you are simply supplying a demand.

I believe it becomes unethical ONLY if you try to pass them off as traditional yorkies. If you are honest about the flaw, then I see no harm in it.

People breed chocolates and partis.

Just curiows. Where is the cream coloring? on her body or on the face? My daughter is looking for one that is blonde all over.

[Breny]

Her head and body and then she has a light silver sadle. Her name is Roxy and I have her staying with me for the week. Brodie is very pleased!

I will take a picture of her and post her. She's 3 and this is her first breeding.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

HI Breny,

Lets see a picture!!
I think thats up to you, and what direction you want your breeding program to go. What goals you have for it.
Not very good advice was it!!? But its your personal decision.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

HI Breny,

Lets see a picture!!
I think thats up to you, and what direction you want your breeding program to go. What goals you have for it.
Not very good advice was it!!? But its your personal decision.

I thought that was excellent advice. Don't let others tell you how you need to run your program.

IMO I believe you can raise Show yorkies and pets in the same program.

Can't wait to see pictures.

[JCarlson2004]

I'd love to see a picture of her.

[Breny]

I'll post a picture of her tonight when I'm home from work. I just really liked her colors

I'm sooooooooo curious what colors her babies will be from my Brodie.

[Breny]

Here is the girl I'm doing stud service for this week. I love her blond color and was thinking this is what I'd like.

[kalina82]

she is pretty but IMO i wouldn't use her colors to breed just because its a pretty, unusual color. It is still a flaw according to breed standards and if i were a breeder i would want to stick with what is expected of the breed. I understand that some people feel parti's, chocolates, creams, reds, etc can still be bred if its only for a pet but i don't understand why.

We had a yorkie come in for a liver and spleen biopsy today. i was all excited to smush on her, but when i saw her i was like whaa? she was extremely small, had a pointy face, wirey hair and weird coloring. Is this what people want when they are looking for rare or unusual coloring, i asked myself. Sure she was a nice dog, but totally did not look like a yorkie to me. She was so far off base with yorkie standards that i felt bad for teh owners. did they know what they were getting when they purchased a yorkie puppy only to have it turn out looking like a wirey, Silky looking, red/black mess?

There are so many other things to think about when you start wanting to get into breeding non-standard colors/attributes. if you stick to the breed standard you can get puppies from excellent lines and breed them to produce excellent puppies that you can sell for pet quality. Just because they have champions in their lines doesn't mean you can strictly sell your puppies as pets. That's what i would do if i were to breed. but that's just my opinion. You have to look at what you want to accomplish and what you want to provide.

Genetics is tricky. You do not know what other genes hair color is tied to. For example, White in almost every other animal and breed of dogs also connected with Blue eyes, and deafness. Think Dalmation. If you get a Dal with mostly white ears and no black 'eye liner' , that dog is probably going to be deaf. I'm not saying this against parti's and biewers. I think about the white in biewers possibly complicating things and causing deaf puppies If there gets to be too much white on the dog.
we don't know yet what the "chocolate gene" is tied to, if anything. same goes with the red, cream, and what have you.

its something to think about. Maybe you might find that after you've been breeding for certain colors a certain bad personality trait or physical trait starts emerge more and more in your dogs that you really dont want. What if it causes a lot of health problems in the dogs future and their own can't afford to take care of it. Or what if its a bad personality trait (ie aggression/shyness/aloofness/fear) and the people you sold the dog to end up being liable for something the dog did?

Another example: when the 'doodes' started to become popular i saw a lot of problems with them in the vets office. Quite a few of them were returned to the breeder or euthanized because of aggression. These dogs either had straight up aggression or they were SO fearful that they bit people who came to close because they were terrified.

what would you do as a breeder then, knowing that you may have caused these problems by producing a dog that people only thought they wanted because it looked pretty?


just food for thought. I intend no blame, finger pointing, or anything like that. These are just things i've thought about recently with more and more people posting that they would like to have these "rare" yorkies because they are 'pretty' or 'cool looking'.

[YorkieShadow]

If I was starting out Breeding Yorkies , I would stay with the standard. She is pretty though. JMO

[Susan123]

she's very pretty, she has the same color as my mom, I recently posted a thread titled "opinions desired on flaw". Except my girl has more blonde on her legs and chest. I just wanted to let you know that she had two pups that have a little gold or brown in them. I'm assuming they'll take after her. I know you were wondering what pups would look like with that coloring with your Brodie. Best of luck

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by kalina82

she is pretty but IMO i wouldn't use her colors to breed just because its a pretty, unusual color. It is still a flaw according to breed standards and if i were a breeder i would want to stick with what is expected of the breed. I understand that some people feel parti's, chocolates, creams, reds, etc can still be bred if its only for a pet but i don't understand why.

Isn't any color other than Blue and Tan a breed standard flaw (according to YTCA's website)? I keep hearing people complain about the partis, chocolates, creams and reds as not being the correct color according to the breed standard but I've never heard anyone say that Black and tan or black and gold are flawed colors too (according to standards)?

Does that mean we also shouldn't breed Black coats or Gold points?

[Ladyhawk]

The line that my foundation stud comes form seems to be running light. If fact Cricket was found to be a bit short on pigment when I had a judge go over her. In order to rectify this I've brought in a redleg to add color and strength back into my line. If you breed silver you will get silver and they do lighten as they age. In my opinion one should strive for the blue and gold as that is the standard. I guess it depends on the goal for your breeding program as well. I'm looking to produce my next show dog as Connor will be finished someday and good show prospects are hard to obtain.

[Marly Mathews]

Roxy is beautiful. She looks like she has a very lovely personality.

~Marly

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

In my opinion one should strive for the blue and gold as that is the standard.

I thought the standard was Blue and Tan (not gold). There was no mention of Gold in the YTCA Standards page? That's where the standards come from? Or is there another set of standards? Just curious.