Here's some information on Dopram - I would probably try to get the puppy into a regular vet (many are open at least some part of Saturdays) and see if this might work for him. Tonight or tomorrow you are going to be looking at the ER vet again and that doesn't sound pleasant and you have had enough loss already. PM Kim feminivstr and ask if she thinks it will help - I think I remember past posts of her having some experience with the drug.

Breathing Problems in new-born puppies - If a puppy is born apparantely not breathing or with breathing difficulties Dopram V is invaluable. The puppy should be kepy warm, the mouth opened, the tongue gently pulled out and the airway checked to see that is it clear and not blocked with mucus. A few drops of Dopram V under the tongue (dose depending upon the breed) will often stimulate normal breathing within seconds. Dopram is not a supplement but a potent medicine similar to that used in premature baby units.

I did a search on Dopram and it was DazzlinYT that mentioned it in the threads that came up (still could be Kim too though).

:confused: my Trini won't stay with her puppies, not even jut to nurse:confused: she smells them and then walks away, even when they cry she pays it no attention...I think it is porobably because at the vet they took the puppy away and put it into an incubator as soon as it was born and did not show them to her for a couple of hours:confused:

has anyone else on here had this happen before?

the smaller one is not really sucking properly...I figure to just keep trying and practice makes prfect (better)...

I have never used the drug myself...if a pup is stuggling to breathe since birth he most likely wont make it past 48 hours. Swinging will no longer help clear the lungs (this should only be done right after birth). The most humane thing to do if he is truely gasping for every breath is to let him go. Sometimes administering fluids under the skin will only acerbate the breathing filling the lungs further. These littles ones the first 48 hours are so fragile and if you cant get him to breathe normal within that time its rare they will survive, further suffering with every breath they take.

I would suggest not to second guess this, take this little one to a vet that can advise you what is best. By your zip code it appears you live in west los angeles, there are several good vets in the area, many with toy breed knowledge (I lived there for 22 years). My vet has since retired (he was on Pico blvd)

JMHO

His breathing is good but gurguly...he moves wiggles and knows how to find the warm spot in the box. He is doing better today than yesterday but I will still tey and get him to a vet today. I will find someone now...and keep you all updated!

When he is resting his breathing is quiet...when he is wiggling or searching is when it gets raspy...

It's not uncommon for C-sections to reject the babies. You will have to hold her and pet her while they nurse. Also though it means you need to watch Mom even closer in case something else is going on.

I may be mean, but I don't routinely just put down babies, as long as they are willing to fight for their life than I am too. The majority of vets will recommend putting down cleft palates, but there are a couple on here that the owners have raised and definitely are worth the effort in my opinion. I think that "toughness" comes when you breed a lot of dogs and there is always a next litter to move on to. I also breed parrots and I am a lot more "calloused" with them, but wasn't when I first started out and only a few were born, but now I handraise so many I seem to have that attitude with them, unfortunately. It is true though that most with respiratory difficulties don't survive the first 24 to 48 hours.

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He is fighting, poor baby but he is really doing well. I am going to take him to the vet shortly and the vet said to bring the mom and 2 pups in. I am going to do whatever it takes. I believe this one can be saved, he does not seem to be suffering, just trying hard. I will hold the mom so they can nurse. So far she is following me around and wants to be with me. Earlier I held her for about 20 mins petting her and then reched for the two puppies and had them join us. She stayed for about 1-2 mins and then got up and left me with the babies.:confused: I will keep trying and supplementing.

Thank you all again so much!

now I am sorry but that was uncalled for....imagine a puppy (24-48 hour old) struggling to breath, gasping, throw up blood and go into full on body convolutions fighting for the final breath...you may want to re-think why I said SOMETIMES it is more humane!

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That was Trin with her puppies last night...the "favorite" of last night is by her neck.

Maybe I missed a post, but I don't think this puppy is in that severe of a condition.

I am glad you are taking them in - I know you've already put out a lot of money at the er vets, but I don't think they have actually gotten any good vet care yet.

The puppies are adorable, nice shiny coats!

uh, oh! I didn't know all that could happen. He does not seem that bad, I hope he is not...He is looking for his mommy now and here is a pic of her and what she is doing now. I think she is upset that she is in pain...

My heart is breaking for all of them...

for the record I HAVE NEVER PUT A PUPPY DOWN! I have held 24 hour vigilence in a pup from China that never had steady breathing only to watch her die a very painful death 48 hours later because of fluid on the lungs and gasping for her breaths, it is awful to watch these babies struggle, that image remains in my mind today very vivid and heart breaking.

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hi i have been reading this post from begining and looking at the pups they seem well shiny coats and nice bellys


may i also say my dog went of going to her babies so i just petted her for a while then sat with her in the pen and stroked her and spoke to her while she fed and nursed the pups


one of the pups wouldn't suckle but i was patient and kept putting it to her niple and in the end she fed

good luck

Can we please focus on Trini and her sons ,not the puting puppiies down I agree that In most cases if the pup has no will to live it is right to h.p.t.s. But we are not there with these pups and the post is on how to help them. IMO if you need to debate things start a new thread or PM.


Trini' mom ......I Sure hope all went well at the vets please update soon.:) The vet askeed you to bring mom and pups in Because she should be with them both they need her and also the vet can check them all over and make sure they are ok :)

I did not find this post to be coldhearted but professional and to the point. I'm so sorry for Trini's tragic experience and the treatment that you had to endure from the vets. It's criminal that a professional would act that way. Keep tring to get Trini to nurse her pups, we'll keep you in our prays.

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Okay, so we went to the vet. He saw all three and said the larger male had no fluid and had a strong heartbeat. The smaller male he said had fluid in his lungs but had a strong heartbest as well. He gave me antibiotics for the baby and weighed them. He said it would either clear up when his breaths get bigger or he will not make it. He said pup has good will to survive. He helped me get the smaller biy to latch on. He said to hold the mther down gently and pet her so they can nurse.

I'm glad you took them all to the vet. It sounds like that little guy wants to live. Poor Trini, she doesn't know what's going on! I hope she feels better soon!

Congratulations on the puppies..I hope the lil one feels better soon.:animal-pa

I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor.

I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age.

Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

I'm glad he is latching on that will improve his chances tremendously. No cleft in the palate I'm assuming so that's another point in his favor. Good heartbeat so it's not an underlying heart defect that is causing the accumulation of fluid in his lungs so one more point in his favor. Only time will tell, but I'm glad it seems like the odds are at least tipped in his favor.

I guess the Dopram wouldn't help his situation? Did she say that swinging would be of any benefit at all at this point? I do know it's done immediately after birth, but I don't see how anything physically has changed in the pup to prevent it from working at this age.

Also since he was put on an antibiotic get some Benebac - its a gel sold in most pet stores and is about $6.00 for three little tubes. Antibiotics kill bad bacteria, but they also destroy the good bacteria right along with it so the addition of good bacteria (also found in yogurt, but not as concentrated and adding yogurt to the formula and heating it kills all the good bacteria culture contained in it).

Wow! I'm so sorry for how everything turned out. I was hoping for better news when I signed on today. How's everyone doing tonight?
You didn't mention in your post as if the Vet today said if the little one had a cleft pallate? I am one of the members who is currently raising a cleft pallate baby. She's 19 weeks old. If you need any advice - I'm here to help :)

My prayers are with you and Trini and her babies! Take care!

I hope Trini and her babies feel better, hug them all for me please

I personally would not recommend the continuation of the swing method. If done too hard or too much it I'm sure it cause brain damage (think Shaken Baby Syndrome). It's during these times, a Delee mucous traps would come in handy really well.

There is a method of newborn puppy rescusitation called the accordian method, I've tried all day to get the file for you, but at this point memory is better than nothing. This is very vague, I apologize. I do know the according method has been very successful for c-sections babies. The gist of it is to stretch the puppy out as long as you can and then shorten it's body by pushing it's buttom up (holding the shoulders) Afterwards you want to suction the mouth.

Concerning putting a baby down, most of us are breeders and know the harsh reality of breeding. Feminstr was right to address this. Unfortunately, there are times when you have to put one down. I haven't had to do that and I pray I don't, but I've chosen to be a breeder and in doing so I'm not just giving life, but am also obligated to make the tough decisions with love and compassion.

There are some that go on to make and we pray this is one.

Awwww....wow. This is so hard on us. So, the smaller boy latched on earlier gain (2nd time). It seems it only works when the bigger bro eats first, then I need to pull him off and little one takes. His latch on is not so strong but I am sure it will improve. I am dedicated to this one.

Anyone have any ideas of what to feed Trini besides I am doing puppy food and caned food and some milk supplememt but is there some kind of recipe that I can make her to try and bring her back to "normal weight"?

Also, the vet did not look inside his mouth but he is no longer bubbling when he eats. What the vet said was: the more puppy breathes on his own the more his lungs will expand and hopefully circulate the liquid out of there but he has a strong stable heartbeat.

I know it is early to even think about it but I have such a love and passion for yorkies I am sure I wanna breed them for good or bad. I am sad Trini was not able to be my first, I love her so much and she is so perfect to me but with the money from one of the puppies (after they are at least 16 weeks) I will hopefully get another female and continue with my passion and a lesson learned.

I am so thankful to walk away from this experience with my Trini and two of her babies.

If she is eating the puppy food, can and supplement then that is what is best for her and the babies. Just feed her several times a day and warm it to make it special.

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I will keep doing it...:rolleyes:

:p BTW- he ate again...3rd time. and this time he got it better.

Does anyone have ideas for names?:confused: The little one remindes me of Kermit the frog, lol:p

Here are some pics from this last feeding...:p and them all cuddling afterwards:p The one by himself is the little one and he latched on so well this tme. He still had milk coming out of his nose and I just suctioned it out of the area as he was eating...

I am so glad that the vet had some good news for you:) I will keep all in my prayers. You are a wonderful yorkie mom:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

:p Thank you...I really love these little guys!!:p

The milk coming out his nose still concerns me. I wish the vet would have looked in his mouth. I would deff. keep a close watch on that.....

They are soooooooooooooo cute !!!