youngest i cant let my munchkin go...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

There is nothing wrong with what you said. I don't think Misty meant it in the sense that YOU said or did anything wrong. I think it was more in the sense of "Oh god please don't let this girl ever breed her dog again" because of all the complications involved.

Yep, exactly! Not you, Sugar's Mom ...sorry if it sounded that way.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yep, exactly! Not you, Sugar's Mom ...sorry if it sounded that way.

I finally figured it out. Sorry I took it the wrong way. I can see now that you might have thought I was encouraging this uneducated person to breed.

[dlAmONd maMli*]

well that puppy that died had nothing to do with me dropping it...it was born with a problem...she is duin great wit the pups and is very happy and hasnt given me any problems she is also not on valium anymore i took her off of it...and she has changed compltly...and bama i dont need your respnses nothing you told me has helped me so i dont care if you stop answering or reading my threads...oh and thank you all, lacys mom i will do that

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

well that puppy that died had nothing to do with me dropping it...it was born with a problem...she is duin great wit the pups and is very happy and hasnt given me any problems she is also not on valium anymore i took her off of it...and she has changed compltly...and bama i dont need your respnses nothing you told me has helped me so i dont care if you stop answering or reading my threads...oh and thank you all, lacys mom i will do that

How old are you?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

well that puppy that died had nothing to do with me dropping it...it was born with a problem...she is duin great wit the pups and is very happy and hasnt given me any problems she is also not on valium anymore i took her off of it...and she has changed compltly...and bama i dont need your respnses nothing you told me has helped me so i dont care if you stop answering or reading my threads

Diamond-
Take a look around. I don't really see ANYONE encouraging you to repeat this fiasco, do you? And I'm not the least bit surprised that 'none of my responses have helped you'--you seemed pretty determine to sit back and allow your lack of knowledge to carry your situation from bad to worse.

I hope that through all this you have learned one thing by this point. You are on a PUBLIC forum, posting about a situation where it seems the majority disagrees with you...stongly might I add. In case you haven't figured it out by now, unfortunately, you are not able to pick and choose who responds to your comments or how. Sorry.

I realize that it is probably easy to lash out at me for your problems because as reality has it, you've run into one problem after another with this litter. But ask yourself this...what has changed that would give you ANY indication that your luck might be better the next time around? Cause I gotta tell you, I think you should consider yourself very lucky that you have any pups at all left to worry about at this point...I seriously doubt you will come up with an answer. That being said, feel free to rant and rave because I refused to sit here with my mouth shut and encourage you to put your unstable female through this horror again. I'd much rather you did that and spare her when you were finished. After all, it is not you who is the unfortunate victim here, although you seem to play the part well. It is your poor Fendi and pups.

PS Make up your mind, either they have their mom with them and she is great, or they don't have her around. Once again, your claims have gone from one end of the spectrum to the other in the matter of a few posts.

[Rae Rae]

Bamafan121S: I don't breed, and really don't ever plan on it (OK maybe I'll use a dog as stud in the future). Anyways, from my understanding breeding is very difficult. And maybe this girl shouldn't continue breeding, but can we really stop her? Also, I'm sure a lot of reputable breeders have problems at first. It might not be as many problems as she has, and they might research breeding more, but you can't tell her to stop breeding. You're an internet person too her, she really probably doesn't care. You might as well let it go, as strongly as you feel. I don't think your constant posting on why she shouldn't breed is going to change anything. Maybe instead of protesting for her to stop doing it, be nice and explain to her why she should research more before she continues to breed.

[BamaFan121s]

Rae Rae--

I do agree with you on one thing: I doubt anything that I say WILL stop her. Afterall, people have been trying to advise her--although there is limited you can do over the internet--since she began posting here and you see where it got her in the end.
And yes, it is very difficult...as I am STILL learning being very new myself...and I studied it and researched and worked with breeders for 5 years BEFORE I aquired my own stock and I still consider myself very green. And maybe that...knowing that I did do alot of work trying to get just to where I am now which I know is at the bottom still, is why it ticks me off so that people just decide one day, "hey, even though I haven't a clue what I'm doing, I think I'll breed today and destroy a breed that so many have dedicated themselves to."
My point is this though, I've never been one to sit and bite my tounge just because I know that voicing my opinion won't change anything in the end. However, my stance is this: If no one or nothing ever catches your attention and makes you think, and I mean REALLY makes you think about things, where would you be? In most cases, if people meet opposition or varying opinions, they give second thought to their course of action and ask themselves if it is really worth it.
For what it is worth, you have a completely understandable and agreeable point of view here. I totally understand what you mean.

[Willow]

Hi Rae,
I understand what you are saying, but they have all explained to this girl SEVERAL times in SEVERAL threads why she either shouldn't breed this one again or what she should do before considering breeding again. She has ignored all of their advice.
I don't think the breeders that have replied to DM are trying to be vicious or attack her. Their concern is honestly for the poor mama and those little puppies. DM's threads seem to bring the worst out of everyone, even those trying to help her, because she has proven to be a very frustrating person to help. She asks for advice and then when it is given and it isn't what she wants to hear she says, I will ask my vet.
Her posts about what her dog and the puppies are going through seem very hard to believe to me. One day the mom has them, the next she is handraising them.
So having said that, please try to understand that everyone here is mainly concerned for that poor mama (who has attacked and biten her owner not too long ago) and her young babies that have managed to survive.

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

Bamafan121S: I don't breed, and really don't ever plan on it (OK maybe I'll use a dog as stud in the future). Anyways, from my understanding breeding is very difficult. And maybe this girl shouldn't continue breeding, but can we really stop her? Also, I'm sure a lot of reputable breeders have problems at first. It might not be as many problems as she has, and they might research breeding more, but you can't tell her to stop breeding. You're an internet person too her, she really probably doesn't care. You might as well let it go, as strongly as you feel. I don't think your constant posting on why she shouldn't breed is going to change anything. Maybe instead of protesting for her to stop doing it, be nice and explain to her why she should research more before she continues to breed.

[Rae Rae]

Bama and Willow, I agree with you guys, and I'm glad you guys understood what I'm trying to say, that I just really don't think she's going to listen you, and it's sad because puppies lives are at stake here. I don't know if anything else can be done, I've never delt with anything like this before but hopefully someone on here has an idea of what can be done to either convince her to not breed, or convince her to learn more before anymore puppies or bitches get hurt.

[cheryl000]

Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

hi all i was wondering when it would be oki to give one of the pups to its owner...the father of the puppies wants to take hers in a week or two...by then they will be 6 weeks they were born on august 18 early in the morning...do i let her take it or not?...shes very pushy with it...she cant wait to take her mom she is so in love with her...she came by yday nd the day b4 she hates being away from her but i think that may be tooooo young to seperate her from her brother and sister?????

What I'm shocked about is how you AND the stud owner don't even know the basics about breeding yorkies. First, the bitch was too small, then the male was much larger than her.
Second, No, 6 weeks is WAY too young to even consider it. She needs to socialize with her brothers, sisters, and even the mom. At this time the puppies go through their nipping and playing stage where they will test their boundaries. When the puppy bites his mother too hard she will LET THEM KNOW IT! If you don't give the puppies the opportunity to learn the basics from their mom, they will never learn it and could end up being a biter.
Now how could you have a stud owner with pick of the litter when this was an "accident?"
Woman to woman I want to ask you a question. I have known a few women who had to go through a c-section and made the choice never to give birth again because the recovery was so painful. As women, we have this choice to make on our own for what we believe is best. If you could ask your female if she'd like to go through this again what do you think she would say? She would more than likely need a c-section again. As dog owners we have to do what is best for them because we make all of the decisions for them. If you love her (which I'm sure you do) and don't want to put her through this painful, terrifying experience again. I hope you really think long and hard and do what is best for her. Also, I hope that you buy some books on breeding, there is always more to learn. I'm sure you can be a great breeder someday, you've been very dedicated so far. You just need research it more and find better dogs to breed. Good luck
I'm also praying that the little puppy didn't suffer as he went to rainbow bridge....

[rosesmom]

Oh this whole thing is just sad.

[red98vett]

GOOD GOD - someone DROPPED A PUPPY ? Valium ? Muzzles ?

Is this all for real ? I'm sorry - I haven't commented because I just can't believe what I'm reading.....this whole thing reads like some BAD soap opera only with yorkies. It's just SAD knowing who is out there breeding and in charge of tiny yorkies sometimes - I'm sorry Diamond - but I feel as others do - Some people should NOT breed. PERIOD. Have a pet sweetie - but leave the rest to those who know what they're doing !! Those poor poor dogs.

I don't believe that '3 vet approved statement' either - I really doubt someone who is this clueless about dogs has ever stepped foot in a vet office - let alone THREE.

What vet in their right mind would give all this a thumbs up. I really wonder what these puppies will turn out like ...and I hate to say this - but THIS is why some yorkies don't look or act like yorkies - and to think this person will be making MONEY off them ?

SCARY.

ok - go ahead & bash me - but that's how I've felt reading EVERY POST by this person - I only said something because she wants to REPEAT this and that is just NOT a good idea.

[BamaFan121s]

Absolutely Villette! You have said exactly what needed to be said, what I think alot have wanted to say, but wouldn't.

I hope that no one would bash you for that. Point blank, I don't think they could find a misstatement (SP?) in anything that you have said, sadly.

[red98vett]

Bama....Same goes for you.....

from I see - nothing said here will matter probably - but I'd rather NOT endorse that kind of breeder a site that's read by so many people....

I know people think newcombers get ragged on - but in this case - the simple truth is way better than us biting our tongues...and the simple truth is ...NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BREED ...no matter how cute you think your dog is....and IF YOU CHOOSE TO BREED - EDUCATED YOURSELF IN ADVANCE ..... if not for your own self - do it for your dogs sake.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by red98vett

GOOD GOD - someone DROPPED A PUPPY ? Valium ? Muzzles ?

Is this all for real ? I'm sorry - I haven't commented because I just can't believe what I'm reading.....this whole thing reads like some BAD soap opera only with yorkies. It's just SAD knowing who is out there breeding and in charge of tiny yorkies sometimes - I'm sorry Diamond - but I feel as others do - Some people should NOT breed. PERIOD. Have a pet sweetie - but leave the rest to those who know what they're doing !! Those poor poor dogs.

I don't believe that '3 vet approved statement' either - I really doubt someone who is this clueless about dogs has ever stepped foot in a vet office - let alone THREE.

What vet in their right mind would give all this a thumbs up. I really wonder what these puppies will turn out like ...and I hate to say this - but THIS is why some yorkies don't look or act like yorkies - and to think this person will be making MONEY off them ?

SCARY.

ok - go ahead & bash me - but that's how I've felt reading EVERY POST by this person - I only said something because she wants to REPEAT this and that is just NOT a good idea.

Well said!! I couldn't agree more.