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wcbuy · 09-07-2006, 09:44 AM

Linda, Doggoneyorkies - you still do not get it. The FACT is you bought your
puppies from a lady named Peggy (I do not know her) she bought her yorkies
from Buffington(I do not believe she would do this on purpose) she bought dogs from me. So this could have happened at several different places. You
want to nail me to the cross and I am not guilty either. FACT is there are several ways to check me and AKC has done their job here. Have you paid for them to do their job there? Has Peggy? No she quit,right? I know Buffington did not because she told me she would not.

I am very sick and I do not owe you or anyone else. We all love our yorkies
you are not the exception.

I believe with DNA, micro chip we can put a stop to switched papers etc.
We can not go home with every puppy we let go wish we could we just
have to trust people and I am too trusting.

I certainly wish I could be of more help to you - as a novice you should
go to more Dog Shows - buy more books written by experienced breeders
and Judges. BEST OF LUCK!

CAROL

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DazzlinYT · 09-07-2006, 10:23 AM

Carol instead of being so NASTY to this woman, you should attempt to do EVERYTHING in your power to get this worked out, considering it is YOUR dogs with the incorrect parentage, regardless if their offspring was sold to Carolyn Buffington (WHY WOULD YOU SELL TO HER???) or GOD.. it's your dogs in question. Don't scold this woman for simply wanting to get to the bottom of why she doesn't have what she paid for.

As for liver shunt and the dogs you've had and or produced.. I know for a fact you've had more than 2 LS dogs, does the name Yorkmont ring a bell to you? No need to try to tarnish the reputation of Brenda, a member of the Liver Shunt Foundation, and one who bile acid tests EVERY ADULT and puppy that comes in or leaves her home..as every reputible breeder should! And as for whether or not you're producing them...unless you've bile acid tested EVERY ONE of the hundreds and hundreds of puppies you've produced over the years, you can not honestly say you've NEVER produced liver shunt, can you? If you can, I'd like to shake your hand, that is AMAZING!

Be honest and helpful here, not spiteful and hateful. Help the poor woman get her registrations straightened out. It's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcbuy

Linda, Doggoneyorkies - you still do not get it. The FACT is you bought your
puppies from a lady named Peggy (I do not know her) she bought her yorkies
from Buffington(I do not believe she would do this on purpose) she bought dogs from me. So this could have happened at several different places. You
want to nail me to the cross and I am not guilty either. FACT is there are several ways to check me and AKC has done their job here. Have you paid for them to do their job there? Has Peggy? No she quit,right? I know Buffington did not because she told me she would not.

I am very sick and I do not owe you or anyone else. We all love our yorkies
you are not the exception.

I believe with DNA, micro chip we can put a stop to switched papers etc.
We can not go home with every puppy we let go wish we could we just
have to trust people and I am too trusting.

I certainly wish I could be of more help to you - as a novice you should
go to more Dog Shows - buy more books written by experienced breeders
and Judges. BEST OF LUCK!

CAROL

w

doggoneyorkies2 · 09-07-2006, 11:00 AM

Thank you DazzlinYT you understand what I'm working at.
I know everyone can make a mistake, but not knowing mom are dad,
and not even living up to it.
Not having AKC papers has not changed the yorkies at all. its just not what I paid for.
I want to be a breeder I can be proud of, I want to live with myself.
I want to be trusted to aways do the right thing, and to know what the right thing is. I love money just as much as the next guy, but animal have feeling to. They trust us to do take care of them the best we can and I plan on doing my very best to live up to what they think I am.
Alot can be said about me, but nothing bad can be said on how much pride
I take in my babys.
Facts are facts, sometimes the truth just hurts, and we will all have to live with them.
thanks again for understanding where I'm coming from
Lynda

wcbuy · 09-07-2006, 11:30 AM

If in fact I was the one responsible I would do everything in my power to
correct it - but I am not. I have done everything ask of me by AKC.
You do not know what you are talking about Becky as far as the Liver Shunt
carriers I bought from Brenda - I have vet records and she gave the money
back one one. You need to get a life and get out of mine you have tryed to get in my life before and you do not even know me.

I am very sick and I have made my last reply - say anything you want to
about me - God knows and that is all I am concerned with.

Sorry I don't have time to ya-ya I take care of my dogs and that takes
time.
Carol

yorkykisses · 09-07-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DazzlinYT

Carol instead of being so NASTY to this woman, you should attempt to do EVERYTHING in your power to get this worked out, considering it is YOUR dogs with the incorrect parentage, regardless if their offspring was sold to Carolyn Buffington (WHY WOULD YOU SELL TO HER???) or GOD.. it's your dogs in question. Don't scold this woman for simply wanting to get to the bottom of why she doesn't have what she paid for.

As for liver shunt and the dogs you've had and or produced.. I know for a fact you've had more than 2 LS dogs, does the name Yorkmont ring a bell to you? No need to try to tarnish the reputation of Brenda, a member of the Liver Shunt Foundation, and one who bile acid tests EVERY ADULT and puppy that comes in or leaves her home..as every reputible breeder should! And as for whether or not you're producing them...unless you've bile acid tested EVERY ONE of the hundreds and hundreds of puppies you've produced over the years, you can not honestly say you've NEVER produced liver shunt, can you? If you can, I'd like to shake your hand, that is AMAZING!

Be honest and helpful here, not spiteful and hateful. Help the poor woman get her registrations straightened out. It's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

I guess now I am wondering why anyone would buy or sell to Carolyn Buffington in the first place? Though now I have noticed that her dogs have come from Glenda Beavers of Tsa-La-Gi. How many chances should someone be given to become reputable? But I guess money talks! Here is her (Buffington's site), althought I have noticed she has taken the pedigrees of her dogs off her site recently, wonder why?
http://genesisyorkies.tripod.com/

I would also like to hope that if anyone including Carolyn Woods can help this lady obtain the honest registrations on her dogs, PLEASE do so!

wcbuy · 09-07-2006, 12:57 PM

This has been years ago - I do not buy or sell to Carolyn Buffington anymore.

Once again I have done everything AKC ask If I could help these people
anymore I would.
CAROL WOODS

doortego · 09-07-2006, 01:29 PM

Just curious, did any dogs lose their champion status because of this mix up?

DazzlinYT · 09-07-2006, 09:37 PM

So can you just please explain Carol, How it is possible that this male who is in Question here..Harleyman, who was bred by you, yet brokered by Carolyn to this Peggy woman (who then unknowingly sold the offspring which had the wrong pedigrees) could possibly be registered as coming from 2 dogs you owned at the time: Shady Grove's Cash Reward and Carol's Charming. Either you or Carolyn obviously put the wrong registration with the wrong puppy, OR knowingly you gave Carolyn a puppy to sell that was not out of those parents, or Carolyn knowingly sold some random puppy and attached the registration as being the offspring of those two dogs.. So which was it?

You say you can't do anything to help the situation, but the problem arose from either YOU or your transaction with Carolyn...the dogs that are incorrect were both your dogs. Wouldn't it be reasonable that you could provide information on what OTHER DOGS could be the parents of Harleyman? That way DNA can be obtained, and possibly this could be sorted out.

YorkieRose · 09-08-2006, 07:37 AM

Linda...the person YOU bought this bitch from owes you a full refund as to the cost of the bitch, she can not pass the buck saying she did nothing wrong....you bought an AKC bitch of a certain pedgiree, you did not get this..totally unimportant if they are innocent or not..a mistake was made and you should not have to eat this loss..the law is on your side.

There are people who want to help you..contact them..

If nothing else comes of this, it sheds light on breeders to stay away from...

doggoneyorkies2 · 09-09-2006, 08:17 AM

Thanks for all the help and the replys, I don't feel so alone now.
It feels like I have made some new friends and that works for me....

I know I have taken a lose 3 times over becasue of this and so has many other people.
But if this stops one person from making the same mistake I did then I feel
I did my part.
We all know a good breeder would fixs this my paying it back or given a new
good pedgree pup.
But we all know a good breeder would not have this happen in the first place!
I have and will tell this story on every site I find and will tell anyone that wants to hear it. I will not stop trying to find Harleymans mom or dad, I know we will never got the AKC paper, but we will prove this was no mistake. We have lots of leads, but not sure if these leads will help us or not.
This breeder needs to be known to all that would want an AKC yorkies.
thanks again for everything
Lynda

doortego · 09-09-2006, 01:39 PM

I would love to see the pedigrees of all the dogs in question and the names of the breeders involved. I think that if we could deal in specifics, ie. names of all breeders & dogs in questions, it would help us to know not to buy from any of those involved.

None of this is really any of our concern, but since you have chosen to make it public, the only way we can profit from the thread is to know the names of all individuals involved.

It appears that the issue of who messed up is not going to be solved. If the original breeder has been thoroughly investigated & all of her animals dna tested and akc saw no reason to suspend her, I don't know that blame can be affixed to her.

Have all of the breeders forward also submitted all of their animals for dna testing by the akc? What were the results of these?

I would have to be concerned if there were breeders involved who chose not to have their animals tested.

At any step along the way, any person could have, knowingly or not, issued incorrect akc papers with any dog they sold.

If everyone involved has paid to have all their animals dna tested & all current records are correct & akc has not suspended anyone, I don't know that you can prove anything.

I would agree that each person should turn to the one that sold them the unregisterable animals. I don't think you can back up 2 or 3 generations to try to prove your case.

All you can basically say is that I paid you for an AKC pup & this is not. That person can then look to who they bought their pup from for recompense. As for replacing the pup with another from "fine lines", I personally would not want the dog from a breeder I felt was unethical, dishonest or incompetent.
If this person was either unable or unwilling to keep proper records, how can you trust their abilities to choose correct traits for breeding any "line."

Somehow, I think the whole situation is more related to greed than the good of the breed and I am certainly not throwing stones because I wouldn't have the slightest idea which way to aim nor do I wish to dodge them when they come back.

I am also curious as to how many times the sale of one or more litters was involved and if any of this has cost any dogs their championship status.

Best of luck to all of you. This has sort of been like a soap opera or mystery novel. Probably more like a soap opera, cause we still don't know "who dunnit".

Emmsmom · 09-09-2006, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggoneyorkies2

Hello,
I need to vent...
Alost 2 years ago I got 2 yorkies from the same lady, they HAD AKC papers.
And the line was a great, healthy line.
trying to make this short.
One yorkies name is Paris and she had a litter, I went on line to get the AKC puppy papers and was told some thing was wrong, I called AKC..........
Well it seems the Grandfather is not her grandfather. So AKC said they are working on it. Mean time one of Paris pups stops eatting, after test we find out it has liver shunt ! We then had Paris and all the pups tested, thank god they are all fine. We got the little puppy help and he did fine, and Paris will not be having anymore pups.
Then we find out Paris grandmother is not her grandmother.
I'm sure now everyone wants to know who the breeder of the father is, well its Carol Woods.
AKC has tested every dog she has and nothing!
So we paid for a good healthy AKC line and got everything but.
There are 24 dogs that have lost AKC paper now and can do nothing.
Want to know what AKC is doing, nothing ! They say they can not prove
she or the lady she sold the litter to mixed them up.
The lady she sold the litter to had no other puppies at that time.
What are we the owners of these yorkies going to do, at this time we
don't know.
What is the breeder going to do, nothing!
I know 2 other memebers of this group also have yorkies from this mess, maybe they will tell you their tails too.
I have heard so many storys where our yorkies came from and we can maybe prove it, but then what ? all this would prove is there was no mix up!
What would you do ?
What can we do ?
I would like to hear what everyone has to say, I know the other 2 memebers would too.
Thanks Lynda

You said that you bought 2 dogs from someone. Where did the 24 come from? Did you breed her that much or are you talking about the dogs on her pedigree?

Michelle

doggoneyorkies2 · 09-10-2006, 06:31 AM

The breeder that has Harleaman( Peggy) that came from a breeding by Carol Wood. Well Harleyman fathered about 15 pups and then 2 people I know had pups from those pups and that makes the 24.
I have 2 females,my sister in law has 1, Linda has 2 and she had pups the other lady had 1 and it had pups as well. Mine had pups but I found out just in time, not to AKC them.
please fell free to ask any thing you would like..
Lynda M

YorkieRose · 09-10-2006, 07:39 AM

Sometimes I wonder about breeders...one recently ruined her name over $500...if an ethical breeder did not have the money to repay you, they would certainly make payments until you will made whole again...or give you a free puppy.

Donna Jean · 10-23-2006, 09:22 AM

I now know why some breeders do not use pedigree's on her web site and does not let you know who the parents are of the puppies they are selling, I hate it when breeders brags about all the champions they have in their line, yet does not allow the pubic to see their pedigrees, I do not trust people who talk about how great their dogs are, but do not show the pedigree to prove it!!!! When buying a puppy, the pedigree is the most important part of that puppy, especially if you are looking for a puppy for a breeding program! Or more important to show, you don't always want to talk to the breeder, as you want to compare other lines and pedigrees to see that they will fit with yours. It is also important in the pricing of the puppy!!! These puppies have big price tags, but nothing on the site to back them up! All yorkies puppies are pretty dang cute, especially when they are under 3 mos. old, I don't even consider letting one of my puppies go till they are at least 4 to 6 mos. old,sometimes 9 mos. for the tiny's and show quality!! and then I know what they are truley going to look like and have a better idea on how to price them. They sometimes do not go on my site till they are 5 or 6 mos. than people really know what they are getting, and I am proud of my babies, they have a big price tag, and they have the paper work right there to back them up!!! I do not breed Dams or Sires with bad knees, bites, ear sets, top lines,or any other kind of problem that could come up, that is why we study pedigrees!!!!! When people talk about all the champions they have but do not produce pedigrees, I feel they are just big talkers, and like to brag, but don't even want the public to know who the parents are of their puppies they are advertising, and would never post a pedigree. Stay away from these breeders, they have something to hide! Otherwise why not let you at least know who the puppies are out of. Maybe they do not have the proper papers, and are afraid their paper work will be checked out by AKC!!! These are the people AKC needs to start with.

I have LBV dogs and I truley love them and are proud to advertise they are LBV and show the pedigrees of these dogs to prove who they are and where they came from. I also show pictures of the parents, it is a big help when people are trying to make a decission on a puppy with a big price tag!I am in the process of updating my web site and want to make sure i Have all my pedigrees posted, so people know what they are getting before they make a dicission just to buy a cute little puppy! The pedigree is where it is in breeding, it is the most important part of the puppy and where it came from, and what you can expect it to be like. You also do not mind paying the price for a puppy with a good pedigree, even to pet homes, people like to know why their are paying the price! The pedigree is EVERYTHING, I feel so bad for the mix up of Harleymans paper work, it leaves a real bad taste in my mouth for a breeder who would broker their puppies out, knowing you bred the puppy you are responsible, for selling that puppy with the proper paper work, you don't trust anyone with your babies, it is your hard work that produced them and anyone that would take it so lightly that the paper work got messed up and do not want take any credit for it and pass the blame to anyone but themselves, are very irresponsible breeders, God help us and pray that this is not common, and that most breeders make sure the right puppy goes with the right paper work, that is why we have DNA if you question where your baby came from. You had better believe i will be doing DNA on all my dogs that i have bought from outside my own personal raised babies to make sure this does not happen to me or any one that purchases one of my puppies. I am so sick of breeders that say they are selling you a show quality puppy that you fall in love with, and has so many problems, like underbites, laxcating petells, collapsed TRACHEA, that you would never breed, and have the additional expense of trying to fix these problems, and YOUR HEART BREAKS FOR THESE POOR, POOR BABIES THAT DID NOT ASK TO COME INTO THIS WORLD, AND A IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDER DID THIS WELL KNOWING THAT THE PUPPY WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS AND COULD CARE LESS, TO THEM, IT IS ALL ABOUT MASS PRODUCTION AND THE DOLLAR, TO ME THESE BREEDERS ARE NOTHING BUT PUPPY MILLS AND NEED TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS! Sometimeswe lose these babies at a young age because of a irresponsible breeder!!!!!!! Your heart breaks for the puppy and breaks because of the loss, who would ever want to put a puppy out there that they well know will have knee problems, as the parents had them, they are people Who are out there only to put a wad of money in their pocket at the puppy's expense!!!!! God help these people to make better judgements.

I guess by now you have guessed how upset this all makes me and my heart truley goes out to all the people involved in this screw up!!!!

09-07-2006, 09:44 AM	#46
wcbuy YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: attalla,al Posts: 4	I'm so upset with a breeder Linda, Doggoneyorkies - you still do not get it. The FACT is you bought your puppies from a lady named Peggy (I do not know her) she bought her yorkies from Buffington(I do not believe she would do this on purpose) she bought dogs from me. So this could have happened at several different places. You want to nail me to the cross and I am not guilty either. FACT is there are several ways to check me and AKC has done their job here. Have you paid for them to do their job there? Has Peggy? No she quit,right? I know Buffington did not because she told me she would not. I am very sick and I do not owe you or anyone else. We all love our yorkies you are not the exception. I believe with DNA, micro chip we can put a stop to switched papers etc. We can not go home with every puppy we let go wish we could we just have to trust people and I am too trusting. I certainly wish I could be of more help to you - as a novice you should go to more Dog Shows - buy more books written by experienced breeders and Judges. BEST OF LUCK! CAROL w

09-07-2006, 11:00 AM	#48
doggoneyorkies2 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 34	whats right Thank you DazzlinYT you understand what I'm working at. I know everyone can make a mistake, but not knowing mom are dad, and not even living up to it. Not having AKC papers has not changed the yorkies at all. its just not what I paid for. I want to be a breeder I can be proud of, I want to live with myself. I want to be trusted to aways do the right thing, and to know what the right thing is. I love money just as much as the next guy, but animal have feeling to. They trust us to do take care of them the best we can and I plan on doing my very best to live up to what they think I am. Alot can be said about me, but nothing bad can be said on how much pride I take in my babys. Facts are facts, sometimes the truth just hurts, and we will all have to live with them. thanks again for understanding where I'm coming from Lynda Last edited by doggoneyorkies2; 09-07-2006 at 11:04 AM.

09-07-2006, 11:30 AM	#49
wcbuy YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: attalla,al Posts: 4	I'm so upset with a breeder If in fact I was the one responsible I would do everything in my power to correct it - but I am not. I have done everything ask of me by AKC. You do not know what you are talking about Becky as far as the Liver Shunt carriers I bought from Brenda - I have vet records and she gave the money back one one. You need to get a life and get out of mine you have tryed to get in my life before and you do not even know me. I am very sick and I have made my last reply - say anything you want to about me - God knows and that is all I am concerned with. Sorry I don't have time to ya-ya I take care of my dogs and that takes time. Carol

09-07-2006, 12:57 PM	#51
wcbuy YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: attalla,al Posts: 4	I'm so upset with a breeder This has been years ago - I do not buy or sell to Carolyn Buffington anymore. Once again I have done everything AKC ask If I could help these people anymore I would. CAROL WOODS

09-07-2006, 09:37 PM	#53
DazzlinYT YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TN Posts: 462	So can you just please explain Carol, How it is possible that this male who is in Question here..Harleyman, who was bred by you, yet brokered by Carolyn to this Peggy woman (who then unknowingly sold the offspring which had the wrong pedigrees) could possibly be registered as coming from 2 dogs you owned at the time: Shady Grove's Cash Reward and Carol's Charming. Either you or Carolyn obviously put the wrong registration with the wrong puppy, OR knowingly you gave Carolyn a puppy to sell that was not out of those parents, or Carolyn knowingly sold some random puppy and attached the registration as being the offspring of those two dogs.. So which was it? You say you can't do anything to help the situation, but the problem arose from either YOU or your transaction with Carolyn...the dogs that are incorrect were both your dogs. Wouldn't it be reasonable that you could provide information on what OTHER DOGS could be the parents of Harleyman? That way DNA can be obtained, and possibly this could be sorted out. __________________ Becki & The Dazzlin' Yorkies

09-07-2006, 01:29 PM	#52
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	Just curious, did any dogs lose their champion status because of this mix up?

09-08-2006, 07:37 AM	#54
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Linda Linda...the person YOU bought this bitch from owes you a full refund as to the cost of the bitch, she can not pass the buck saying she did nothing wrong....you bought an AKC bitch of a certain pedgiree, you did not get this..totally unimportant if they are innocent or not..a mistake was made and you should not have to eat this loss..the law is on your side. There are people who want to help you..contact them.. If nothing else comes of this, it sheds light on breeders to stay away from...

09-09-2006, 08:17 AM	#55
doggoneyorkies2 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 34	Thanks again Thanks for all the help and the replys, I don't feel so alone now. It feels like I have made some new friends and that works for me.... I know I have taken a lose 3 times over becasue of this and so has many other people. But if this stops one person from making the same mistake I did then I feel I did my part. We all know a good breeder would fixs this my paying it back or given a new good pedgree pup. But we all know a good breeder would not have this happen in the first place! I have and will tell this story on every site I find and will tell anyone that wants to hear it. I will not stop trying to find Harleymans mom or dad, I know we will never got the AKC paper, but we will prove this was no mistake. We have lots of leads, but not sure if these leads will help us or not. This breeder needs to be known to all that would want an AKC yorkies. thanks again for everything Lynda

09-09-2006, 01:39 PM	#56
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	I would love to see the pedigrees of all the dogs in question and the names of the breeders involved. I think that if we could deal in specifics, ie. names of all breeders & dogs in questions, it would help us to know not to buy from any of those involved. None of this is really any of our concern, but since you have chosen to make it public, the only way we can profit from the thread is to know the names of all individuals involved. It appears that the issue of who messed up is not going to be solved. If the original breeder has been thoroughly investigated & all of her animals dna tested and akc saw no reason to suspend her, I don't know that blame can be affixed to her. Have all of the breeders forward also submitted all of their animals for dna testing by the akc? What were the results of these? I would have to be concerned if there were breeders involved who chose not to have their animals tested. At any step along the way, any person could have, knowingly or not, issued incorrect akc papers with any dog they sold. If everyone involved has paid to have all their animals dna tested & all current records are correct & akc has not suspended anyone, I don't know that you can prove anything. I would agree that each person should turn to the one that sold them the unregisterable animals. I don't think you can back up 2 or 3 generations to try to prove your case. All you can basically say is that I paid you for an AKC pup & this is not. That person can then look to who they bought their pup from for recompense. As for replacing the pup with another from "fine lines", I personally would not want the dog from a breeder I felt was unethical, dishonest or incompetent. If this person was either unable or unwilling to keep proper records, how can you trust their abilities to choose correct traits for breeding any "line." Somehow, I think the whole situation is more related to greed than the good of the breed and I am certainly not throwing stones because I wouldn't have the slightest idea which way to aim nor do I wish to dodge them when they come back. I am also curious as to how many times the sale of one or more litters was involved and if any of this has cost any dogs their championship status. Best of luck to all of you. This has sort of been like a soap opera or mystery novel. Probably more like a soap opera, cause we still don't know "who dunnit".

09-10-2006, 06:31 AM	#58
doggoneyorkies2 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 34	24 The breeder that has Harleaman( Peggy) that came from a breeding by Carol Wood. Well Harleyman fathered about 15 pups and then 2 people I know had pups from those pups and that makes the 24. I have 2 females,my sister in law has 1, Linda has 2 and she had pups the other lady had 1 and it had pups as well. Mine had pups but I found out just in time, not to AKC them. please fell free to ask any thing you would like.. Lynda M

09-10-2006, 07:39 AM	#59
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pups Sometimes I wonder about breeders...one recently ruined her name over $500...if an ethical breeder did not have the money to repay you, they would certainly make payments until you will made whole again...or give you a free puppy.

10-23-2006, 09:22 AM	#60
Donna Jean YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 616	Pedigree mix up's I now know why some breeders do not use pedigree's on her web site and does not let you know who the parents are of the puppies they are selling, I hate it when breeders brags about all the champions they have in their line, yet does not allow the pubic to see their pedigrees, I do not trust people who talk about how great their dogs are, but do not show the pedigree to prove it!!!! When buying a puppy, the pedigree is the most important part of that puppy, especially if you are looking for a puppy for a breeding program! Or more important to show, you don't always want to talk to the breeder, as you want to compare other lines and pedigrees to see that they will fit with yours. It is also important in the pricing of the puppy!!! These puppies have big price tags, but nothing on the site to back them up! All yorkies puppies are pretty dang cute, especially when they are under 3 mos. old, I don't even consider letting one of my puppies go till they are at least 4 to 6 mos. old,sometimes 9 mos. for the tiny's and show quality!! and then I know what they are truley going to look like and have a better idea on how to price them. They sometimes do not go on my site till they are 5 or 6 mos. than people really know what they are getting, and I am proud of my babies, they have a big price tag, and they have the paper work right there to back them up!!! I do not breed Dams or Sires with bad knees, bites, ear sets, top lines,or any other kind of problem that could come up, that is why we study pedigrees!!!!! When people talk about all the champions they have but do not produce pedigrees, I feel they are just big talkers, and like to brag, but don't even want the public to know who the parents are of their puppies they are advertising, and would never post a pedigree. Stay away from these breeders, they have something to hide! Otherwise why not let you at least know who the puppies are out of. Maybe they do not have the proper papers, and are afraid their paper work will be checked out by AKC!!! These are the people AKC needs to start with. I have LBV dogs and I truley love them and are proud to advertise they are LBV and show the pedigrees of these dogs to prove who they are and where they came from. I also show pictures of the parents, it is a big help when people are trying to make a decission on a puppy with a big price tag!I am in the process of updating my web site and want to make sure i Have all my pedigrees posted, so people know what they are getting before they make a dicission just to buy a cute little puppy! The pedigree is where it is in breeding, it is the most important part of the puppy and where it came from, and what you can expect it to be like. You also do not mind paying the price for a puppy with a good pedigree, even to pet homes, people like to know why their are paying the price! The pedigree is EVERYTHING, I feel so bad for the mix up of Harleymans paper work, it leaves a real bad taste in my mouth for a breeder who would broker their puppies out, knowing you bred the puppy you are responsible, for selling that puppy with the proper paper work, you don't trust anyone with your babies, it is your hard work that produced them and anyone that would take it so lightly that the paper work got messed up and do not want take any credit for it and pass the blame to anyone but themselves, are very irresponsible breeders, God help us and pray that this is not common, and that most breeders make sure the right puppy goes with the right paper work, that is why we have DNA if you question where your baby came from. You had better believe i will be doing DNA on all my dogs that i have bought from outside my own personal raised babies to make sure this does not happen to me or any one that purchases one of my puppies. I am so sick of breeders that say they are selling you a show quality puppy that you fall in love with, and has so many problems, like underbites, laxcating petells, collapsed TRACHEA, that you would never breed, and have the additional expense of trying to fix these problems, and YOUR HEART BREAKS FOR THESE POOR, POOR BABIES THAT DID NOT ASK TO COME INTO THIS WORLD, AND A IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDER DID THIS WELL KNOWING THAT THE PUPPY WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS AND COULD CARE LESS, TO THEM, IT IS ALL ABOUT MASS PRODUCTION AND THE DOLLAR, TO ME THESE BREEDERS ARE NOTHING BUT PUPPY MILLS AND NEED TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS! Sometimeswe lose these babies at a young age because of a irresponsible breeder!!!!!!! Your heart breaks for the puppy and breaks because of the loss, who would ever want to put a puppy out there that they well know will have knee problems, as the parents had them, they are people Who are out there only to put a wad of money in their pocket at the puppy's expense!!!!! God help these people to make better judgements. I guess by now you have guessed how upset this all makes me and my heart truley goes out to all the people involved in this screw up!!!!