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doortego · 09-09-2006, 01:39 PM

I would love to see the pedigrees of all the dogs in question and the names of the breeders involved. I think that if we could deal in specifics, ie. names of all breeders & dogs in questions, it would help us to know not to buy from any of those involved.

None of this is really any of our concern, but since you have chosen to make it public, the only way we can profit from the thread is to know the names of all individuals involved.

It appears that the issue of who messed up is not going to be solved. If the original breeder has been thoroughly investigated & all of her animals dna tested and akc saw no reason to suspend her, I don't know that blame can be affixed to her.

Have all of the breeders forward also submitted all of their animals for dna testing by the akc? What were the results of these?

I would have to be concerned if there were breeders involved who chose not to have their animals tested.

At any step along the way, any person could have, knowingly or not, issued incorrect akc papers with any dog they sold.

If everyone involved has paid to have all their animals dna tested & all current records are correct & akc has not suspended anyone, I don't know that you can prove anything.

I would agree that each person should turn to the one that sold them the unregisterable animals. I don't think you can back up 2 or 3 generations to try to prove your case.

All you can basically say is that I paid you for an AKC pup & this is not. That person can then look to who they bought their pup from for recompense. As for replacing the pup with another from "fine lines", I personally would not want the dog from a breeder I felt was unethical, dishonest or incompetent.
If this person was either unable or unwilling to keep proper records, how can you trust their abilities to choose correct traits for breeding any "line."

Somehow, I think the whole situation is more related to greed than the good of the breed and I am certainly not throwing stones because I wouldn't have the slightest idea which way to aim nor do I wish to dodge them when they come back.

I am also curious as to how many times the sale of one or more litters was involved and if any of this has cost any dogs their championship status.

Best of luck to all of you. This has sort of been like a soap opera or mystery novel. Probably more like a soap opera, cause we still don't know "who dunnit".

09-09-2006, 01:39 PM	#56
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	I would love to see the pedigrees of all the dogs in question and the names of the breeders involved. I think that if we could deal in specifics, ie. names of all breeders & dogs in questions, it would help us to know not to buy from any of those involved. None of this is really any of our concern, but since you have chosen to make it public, the only way we can profit from the thread is to know the names of all individuals involved. It appears that the issue of who messed up is not going to be solved. If the original breeder has been thoroughly investigated & all of her animals dna tested and akc saw no reason to suspend her, I don't know that blame can be affixed to her. Have all of the breeders forward also submitted all of their animals for dna testing by the akc? What were the results of these? I would have to be concerned if there were breeders involved who chose not to have their animals tested. At any step along the way, any person could have, knowingly or not, issued incorrect akc papers with any dog they sold. If everyone involved has paid to have all their animals dna tested & all current records are correct & akc has not suspended anyone, I don't know that you can prove anything. I would agree that each person should turn to the one that sold them the unregisterable animals. I don't think you can back up 2 or 3 generations to try to prove your case. All you can basically say is that I paid you for an AKC pup & this is not. That person can then look to who they bought their pup from for recompense. As for replacing the pup with another from "fine lines", I personally would not want the dog from a breeder I felt was unethical, dishonest or incompetent. If this person was either unable or unwilling to keep proper records, how can you trust their abilities to choose correct traits for breeding any "line." Somehow, I think the whole situation is more related to greed than the good of the breed and I am certainly not throwing stones because I wouldn't have the slightest idea which way to aim nor do I wish to dodge them when they come back. I am also curious as to how many times the sale of one or more litters was involved and if any of this has cost any dogs their championship status. Best of luck to all of you. This has sort of been like a soap opera or mystery novel. Probably more like a soap opera, cause we still don't know "who dunnit".