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Lacy's Mom · 07-30-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by s1utster

how much smaller does the male have to be compare to the female for breeding?

The male and his parents, grandparents, and great grandparents, etc. (five generations) should be smaller than the female and her lineage.

You could have a 3 pound male that came from 7 pound parents so it would not be wise to breed him with say a 4 1/2 pound female from like lineage because she could have a pup to large for her. So just going by weight is not enough there is more to it than that.

txshopper73 · 07-30-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacy's Mom

The male and his parents, grandparents, and great grandparents, etc. (five generations) should be smaller than the female and her lineage.

You could have a 3 pound male that came from 7 pound parents so it would not be wise to breed him with say a 4 1/2 pound female from like lineage because she could have a pup to large for her. So just going by weight is not enough there is more to it than that.

Excellent point. You have to go back to the parents and grandparents of dogs you are considering on breeding. Just because someone's dog weighs 3 lbs doesn't mean that the pups are going to be small.

I have a book (will have to find it since we've been remodeling this week) and the book states...IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT BITCHES NEED TO BE AT LEAST 5 LBS TO BREED. (Not an exact word-for-word quote but says the words IMPORTANT 5 LBS)...like I said, will find the book in the next few days.

dlAmONd maMli* · 07-30-2006, 11:10 PM

hey hun...my baby is 4 lbs and breed with an 8 lb male and i am very wryd about her...im scared for her being 4 lbs only and i honestly regret it and feel bad...if i was you i would fix her since shes so small...i know its hard and you really want it but its best not too good luck and think hard and be certain hun

PlatinumYorkies · 07-31-2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

hey hun...my baby is 4 lbs and breed with an 8 lb male and i am very wryd about her...im scared for her being 4 lbs only and i honestly regret it and feel bad...if i was you i would fix her since shes so small...i know its hard and you really want it but its best not too good luck and think hard and be certain hun

Oh I did not know the stud was 8lbs..I see why you are worried...Bless your heart, and God Bless you baby and her babies.

dlAmONd maMli* · 07-31-2006, 10:16 AM

i think shes only having one her tummy is small and uneven...one nipple is high and the other lower...if that means anything lol

Lacy's Mom · 07-31-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

i think shes only having one her tummy is small and uneven...one nipple is high and the other lower...if that means anything lol

One pup is actually more dangerous than several because the pup has room to grow too large to be born naturally. Stay in close touch with your vet.

BamaFan121s · 08-01-2006, 05:47 AM

This is a joke, right?

Please tell me this is a joke....

JCarlson2004 · 08-01-2006, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Excellent point. You have to go back to the parents and grandparents of dogs you are considering on breeding. Just because someone's dog weighs 3 lbs doesn't mean that the pups are going to be small.

I have a book (will have to find it since we've been remodeling this week) and the book states...IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT BITCHES NEED TO BE AT LEAST 5 LBS TO BREED. (Not an exact word-for-word quote but says the words IMPORTANT 5 LBS)...like I said, will find the book in the next few days.

Great post.

Breny · 08-01-2006, 06:30 AM

Was this a planned breeding? Is the stud known to throw small pups? Do you know his parents and grandparents size???

ButterflyYorkie · 08-01-2006, 08:56 AM

Here's a quote from the Ann Seranne book, "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show dog". I'm sure that some of you out there with 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens of your own can relate.

"Sex-Linked Genes

Theses are located only in the X and Y chromosomes and can alter expected ratios.

Of interest to many breeders, who have trouble controlling the size of their puppies, is the theory that a bitch is genetically larger for her size than a dog. When two dogs of the same size are bred, the male offspring are often larger than their dam and the female offspring are likely to be smaller than their sire.

On the other hand, because of quantitative genes it is possible to breed a large bitch to a small male and have a litter of average-size puppies. This applies only to the first generation. When these puppies are bred, there will be a substantial variation in the size of their offspring."

chachi · 08-01-2006, 09:27 AM

That female is way to small to be bred

cheryl000 · 08-01-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dlAmONd maMli*

i think shes only having one her tummy is small and uneven...one nipple is high and the other lower...if that means anything lol

I would recommend an ultrasound ASAP and ask the doctor what he thinks about a planned c-section if he thinks she will have trouble having this puppy naturally. Then I would get her fixed because I personally don't believe in dogs having multiple c-sections in the future which she might end up needing because of her size and trouble with past pregnancy.

I am NOT sure if this is planned, but my cousin found her dog in a similar situation. The dog accidently got out and mated with a much bigger dog. The vet had to repair her vagina that was torn up during the painful mating. The doctor then gave her an abortion because she was pregnant with one puppy, but it was going to be too large and it was putting the mother's life at risk. Afterwards he spade her and she is doing fine now.

Good luck and please keep us posted on how she does.

red98vett · 08-02-2006, 04:26 AM

I just don't understand why people want to Breed these tiny females..... I really don't. Is it money ?

If I had a super small female I would be far more worried about her health and keeping her safe... than forcing a pregnancy on her. I'm not trying to be mean...sorry if it sounds like it. I would really like to hear the reasons why people want puppies from a dog so small.....

red98vett · 08-02-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by s1utster

how much smaller does the male have to be compare to the female for breeding?

From your questions - it really sounds like you plan to do this regardless - here's a thread you may want to read - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34818

and for SURE ...this one - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24166

it has alot of good information and hopefully you'll change your mind after researching this more. Your female is very tiny.

RMKC · 08-02-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I just don't understand why people want to Breed these tiny females..... I really don't. Is it money ?

If I had a super small female I would be far more worried about her health and keeping her safe... than forcing a pregnancy on her. I'm not trying to be mean...sorry if it sounds like it. I would really like to hear the reasons why people want puppies from a dog so small.....

Because Villette some people just lack plain of common sense, and put their own WANTS before whats good for their tini best trusting Friends !

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07-30-2006, 11:10 PM	#18
dlAmONd maMli* Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 145	hey hun...my baby is 4 lbs and breed with an 8 lb male and i am very wryd about her...im scared for her being 4 lbs only and i honestly regret it and feel bad...if i was you i would fix her since shes so small...i know its hard and you really want it but its best not too good luck and think hard and be certain hun

07-31-2006, 10:16 AM	#20
dlAmONd maMli* Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 145	i think shes only having one her tummy is small and uneven...one nipple is high and the other lower...if that means anything lol

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Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	Was this a planned breeding? Is the stud known to throw small pups? Do you know his parents and grandparents size???

08-01-2006, 08:56 AM	#25
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	Here's a quote from the Ann Seranne book, "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show dog". I'm sure that some of you out there with 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens of your own can relate. "Sex-Linked Genes Theses are located only in the X and Y chromosomes and can alter expected ratios. Of interest to many breeders, who have trouble controlling the size of their puppies, is the theory that a bitch is genetically larger for her size than a dog. When two dogs of the same size are bred, the male offspring are often larger than their dam and the female offspring are likely to be smaller than their sire. On the other hand, because of quantitative genes it is possible to breed a large bitch to a small male and have a litter of average-size puppies. This applies only to the first generation. When these puppies are bred, there will be a substantial variation in the size of their offspring."