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DayDreamer · 07-18-2006, 05:30 PM

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Anyways, you got your answer about the money. I hope you build a very pretty shed, although if you didn't know I think they sell them at Wal-Mart for affordable prices.

There are some very passive-aggressive people here. Lord. Don't worry about the shed and buy the way I know what Wal-Mart has. I do not buy junk.

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Sorry that you've experienced the unfriendly side of Yorkie Talk, but please do not see this as a representation of how things work around here. As a rule people cannot and should not personally attack you, or they will get suspended or banned.

That rule must have been thrown out the window for this thread then.

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I know many people here are sick of breeders that are in it for the money that advertise "teacup" Yorkies, which is something that does not exist. As Yorkie lovers, we all want Yorkies to be healthy animals that are as close to the standard as possible. Furthermore, usually breeders that are in it for the money are not concerned about what happens to the pups that are sold.

I would like to know where in my posting I have even implied that I would not take care of these dogs. Yes, I asked a question, a very blunt question I agree but that does not mean that I would not take care of the dogs. If it's true that these "yorkie lovers" do if for the love of the breed then please tell me why they don't just sell the dogs for whatever they have in the dogs expenses like vet bills, and registration papers? If it were true that they did it just because they love yorkies I think that would not be totally true. If it were they would not have such a hefty price tag. Do you know any breeder who would say, "You know, I only have X amount of dollars in this puppy so just give me $X. I'm just happy to breed." I don't think so. So why is it that I come on here to ask an honest question and get lynched? I'm being honest about the dogs. And I'm a huge animal lover so there is no way in heck I would ever mistreat them or not hope the puppies went to a good home. You can't always be sure about that either. Just because someone has the money does not make them nice people.

Like I said before, I inherited these puppies. My friend and her son died of carbon monoxide and the pups survived but the parents did not. I took them because I did not know what their fate would be. It is very sad that people are treated like this when they come to seek advice.

lolabella · 07-18-2006, 05:30 PM

Okay I know most of the people have already brought up these issues, but I found a great site that lists everything. I wonder if the owner of the website is a Yorkie Talk member. Here it goes:

By Rhapsody Yorkshire Terriers
http://www.yorkie.org/breeders/breeding.html

When you consider breeding / reproducing an animal, there are many aspects to consider. Please, put some thought into this venture before you proceed with a breeding that could end up a nightmare.

Is your dog a good representation of the breed meeting the Standard? Do you know the faults and which type of Gene transmits this fault?

Infections transfer from breedings. Have both the Dog and Bitch had Bacteria Cultures and Brucellosis Tests performed?

Have you had your bitch checked for such things as Luxating Patella's, Cardiomyopathy, or Hypothyroidism? Has the stud been checked, too? Do you have the time to learn, or knowledge about the possible hereditary faults in the line you are breeding?

Can you accept the loss of your bitch to have this litter? Complications can and do happen, and bitches do die before, during and after whelping. Are you familar with the terms: Uterine Inertia, Prolapsed Uterus, Eclampsia, Metritis, or Mastitis?

Are you willing to find the best male possible to complement your bitch? You wouldn't want to breed a "Fault" such as Luxating Patellas, incorrect Bites, Toplines or Coats, would you? If so, you're reproducing poor specimens of our Breed!

A Yorkie should never be alone as the Whelping time draws near, very few can Whelp without assistance. Will you be able to stay home for several days before and after the Whelping?

Do you have enough money saved in the event that a C-section is required? Do you know the signs of Eclampsia, the steps to take, and the possible outcome?

Have you educated yourself about whelping and raising puppies so that you will recognize a problem before it is too late? Do you know about Fading Puppies, Toxic Milk, Septicemia, Primary Atelactasis, Herpes Virus, Cleft Palates, Hypoglycemia?

To see a new born with a birth defect is heart breaking, and it may need to be put down. If it must be done, can you do it, for you can not let it suffer. This can be extremely hard on your Bitch also, and can cause further complications.

Are you willing to take a few days off work to raise the litter should anything happen to the dam? Should this happen you may need to Tube Feed. This involves placing a Tube down the mouth directly to the stomach with a measured amount of Formula. A weak Puppy does not have the strength to be fed with a Bottle, so you may even need to supplement if the Dam has only marginal milk.

Can you afford to vaccinate the puppies? Vaccinations are started at around 8 weeks of age and are given every 2-3 weeks until the Puppies are 4 months old. This means you will be giving 2-3 Vaccinations to each Puppy before it is to be sold.

Do you expect to profit from the sale of these puppies? Most litters cost breeders money, if you are lucky you may break even after the pups are sold.

How selective will you be in finding homes for the puppies? What criteria will new owners have to meet? Do they have fenced yards, will they be able to afford routine medical care, will they be able to afford veterinary bills if an emergency arises, will they continue to feed the pup a quality diet, etc.?

Are you willing to take back any unwanted puppies or dogs that you have produced if their owners are no longer able to keep them, or at least help them place them in proper homes? Job Tranfers, Medical reasons and etc do happen.

Please Educate Yourself Before Breeding
Their Life Depends On It !

DayDreamer · 07-18-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peters

you shouldn't breed your dogs for money maybe you should find them homes elsewhere. females shouldn't be bred if they are under 4 lbs or 2year sold there's alot in it not just ,ating having puppys selling them the female could die the puppys need shots worming dew claws tails its alot of time and money and effort they shouldn't be used just for you to get something you want like thatbut prices on yorkies depend on size papers where your located all kinds of things but you should also consider who would buy them? breeders brokers puppy mills kennels you never know so better of not to take a chance just because you inherited some cute little dogs you could possibly make money off of its not always the money thats most important!

Again, thank you for the warm welcome!

DayDreamer · 07-18-2006, 05:43 PM

Lolabella, I appreciate your post with all of the info. I'm a SAHM so I am always home. I live on a farm and have unfortunatley seen heartbreak with my own two eyes. I know how cruel birthing can be. My vet lives two farms over and is a personal friend and makes housecalls. We have livestock and horses so he knows the way to my farm. We can afford a c-section or whatever else may need to be done. Maybe because I started this thread off by wondering about the money it gave everyone the impresion that I don't have a pot to P*ss in. That is so not true. This stupid shed is something that I want built by the Amish that my hubby says he will not finance. He's being a turd and trying to teach me a lesson. That is all. We are not rich but we are comfortable. I could afford the puppies and everything that came along with them. The shed is something I've been wanting and I just figured that the puppies that I would get would pay for it and hubby would be fine with it. Would I be the only person to breed a yorkie and then use the money for luxery?

Can I ask some of you...was your character and financial status an issue by other members on here when you first joined? I'm just wondering if this is the norm?

ButterflyYorkie · 07-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Just "because" they are AKC doesn't mean they are going to bring in money. There are good and bad dogs from any registry. It is the breeder that stands behind them that makes them what they are worth. My advice is to do some research. Talk to some breeders in your area or on here for that matter. Get a feel for what you may be in for. Have both your potential parents tested for genetic health issues and if this is still something you wish to do, I'm sure you will find people willing to guide and help you. I don't agree with the fact that you only intend to breed to get a new building but if you are truly wanting to breed for the love of the breed, then find a mentor and go from there. There are people who will help you. Best wishes,

teffiemoore · 07-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Spend every day with your new dogs. Read every day something about the breed. Get involved with forums such as this one to gain every bit of information you possibly can. Research the pedigrees of these two dogs. You can get this information through AKC. Fall in love with your dogs. Have them checked out by a Vet. Then in about a year or two. Think about this again, not for the money, only if you have the educated decision that says breeding these two will produce puppies that are a compliment to this great breed.

Lacy's Mom · 07-18-2006, 05:47 PM

I was wondering if the pups are brother and sister because you said "the puppies made it, but the parents didn't". If they are related you cannot breed them.

JeanieK · 07-18-2006, 05:53 PM

I see you've met the welcoming comittee.

Just kidding. Just trying to lighten things up a bit.

You poor soul, you opened up a Pandoras Box and didn't even know it.

My first post on here, was that I was considering getting into breeding, I didn't even have the dogs yet, and I got the same warm welcome.

Seriously though, I weathered the storm, and hung around and got to know everyone and they really are a nice bunch. Just a little passionate about the subject of breeding for profit.

That being said I'd like to welcome you to YT, and seeing as you know nothing about Yorkies, by your own admission, I suggest that you hang around and give us another chance.

Yorkies are not just another dog. They require a lot more care and pampering than a lot of breeds. This place is loaded with information and there are some very knowledgable people here.

I want you to have some place to come to incase you encounter a problem.

As for the shed, maybe you should look for another way to earn the money, it will be years, if ever, before you get enough profit to pay for a shed.

DayDreamer · 07-18-2006, 06:06 PM

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I was wondering if the pups are brother and sister because you said "the puppies made it, but the parents didn't". If they are related you cannot breed them.

They are pups but not the same age. My friend bred but only a couple of times. We never really discussed the dogs because we just never did. One is a very tiny pup which is still nursing. That is the male we have named him Trooper because he is a little trooper and my friends hubby is a State Trooper. Trooper is nursing off of a chi right now. My female is named Scamp. She is a teenager, about 5 months old. They are not related but both of their parents I'm pretty sure are of pretty good bloodline. Nancy kept good records of everything and even had them DNA tested. I wish I would have learned more from her and her hubby is ashamed he didn't pay much attention either. One thing I am unable to find though is her Bill of sale or whatever you guys would call it. She must not have kept them together.

I really doubt I will stick around here. The welcoming comittee was not very welcoming.

Thanks anyway, I'm sure there are friendlier yorkie sites. I was looking for one when I found this place.

cutiepatutie627 · 07-18-2006, 06:16 PM

what's Nancy's last name??

JeanieK · 07-18-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DayDreamer

Can I ask some of you...was your character and financial status an issue by other members on here when you first joined? I'm just wondering if this is the norm?

Yup it sure was.

Lacy's Mom · 07-18-2006, 06:30 PM

I am sorry your first post was so controversial. I think everyone has had an experience like this at least once. This really is the best site because it has so many active and knowledgeable members who adore their Yorkies. If your pup is sick, this is where you want to come. You might have not heard what you wanted to hear, but remember you only heard from a handful - there are like 9,000 members!

I hate to bring this up again because it is still a rather sore spot, but I know I said that my male doesn't mark in the house because (after he was potty trained and over a year) I would spank him if he did (I only had to spank him twice). It was just a pat on the butt, but from the responses I received you would have thought I beat my dog. I definitely do not condone spanking while potty training. People that really know me would laugh because everyone knows how much I baby my dogs. I thought about leaving - who needs this - but, then I think I really do have a lot of knowledge to share and am helping other Yorkie owners and also learning a lot I didn't know.

DayDreamer · 07-18-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cutiepatutie627

what's Nancy's last name??

OMG! Are you seriouse? What business is that of yours? Would you even have known her? I doubt it. Do you often ask peoples last name on an open fourm like that? Whether she is still here or not her family still is. You are some truley rude people here.

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JeanieK Quote:
Originally Posted by DayDreamer

Can I ask some of you...was your character and financial status an issue by other members on here when you first joined? I'm just wondering if this is the norm?

Yup it sure was.

That is a shame then. A persons financial status should not be anyones issue but their own. And as for my character being questioned (some of you seem to think I'm a heartless &%$#) I'm am nothing of the sort. It seems like the people on here need to maybe get a life and stop harrassing people. I have tried to not be rude and that's all you have been. I've been called a troll. What the heck is that supposed to mean? You women need to get over yourselves. Is this what you do all day? Pathetic. It's real nice that I read the rules when I became a member and they stated to refrain from the exact same thing that you people are doing. I guess the rules only apply to new members.

cheryl000 · 07-18-2006, 08:31 PM

"Trolling" is when someone makes controversial posts just to get a rise out of people. Many people on forums or chats use this term.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...611#post635611

IF you'd bother to look or ASK her a question...That girl is obviously afraid that your friend Nancy is Nancy Hoenig. She is the breeder of her dog that she is supposed to get a female from from Ohio. They might have been friends and she could be fearing the worst.

Maybe you shouldn't skip to conclusions so fast, and point out what you infer is bad. The world isn't exactly against you. You should also understand that most people don't type on here to be malicious but since you can't hear the nonverbal communication (facial expressions, voice tone, etc) on here you shouldn't assume the worst all the time. Sorry that the conversation isn't going your way.

gypsyqueen · 07-18-2006, 08:39 PM

Ive got an idea you should sell the two you have for you storage thats the biggist profit you will make if your dogs are small your talking c section and hand raising and shots and tail docking and thats only part of the buget.

07-18-2006, 05:30 PM	#17
lolabella Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: . Posts: 493	Okay I know most of the people have already brought up these issues, but I found a great site that lists everything. I wonder if the owner of the website is a Yorkie Talk member. Here it goes: By Rhapsody Yorkshire Terriers http://www.yorkie.org/breeders/breeding.html When you consider breeding / reproducing an animal, there are many aspects to consider. Please, put some thought into this venture before you proceed with a breeding that could end up a nightmare. Is your dog a good representation of the breed meeting the Standard? Do you know the faults and which type of Gene transmits this fault? Infections transfer from breedings. Have both the Dog and Bitch had Bacteria Cultures and Brucellosis Tests performed? Have you had your bitch checked for such things as Luxating Patella's, Cardiomyopathy, or Hypothyroidism? Has the stud been checked, too? Do you have the time to learn, or knowledge about the possible hereditary faults in the line you are breeding? Can you accept the loss of your bitch to have this litter? Complications can and do happen, and bitches do die before, during and after whelping. Are you familar with the terms: Uterine Inertia, Prolapsed Uterus, Eclampsia, Metritis, or Mastitis? Are you willing to find the best male possible to complement your bitch? You wouldn't want to breed a "Fault" such as Luxating Patellas, incorrect Bites, Toplines or Coats, would you? If so, you're reproducing poor specimens of our Breed! A Yorkie should never be alone as the Whelping time draws near, very few can Whelp without assistance. Will you be able to stay home for several days before and after the Whelping? Do you have enough money saved in the event that a C-section is required? Do you know the signs of Eclampsia, the steps to take, and the possible outcome? Have you educated yourself about whelping and raising puppies so that you will recognize a problem before it is too late? Do you know about Fading Puppies, Toxic Milk, Septicemia, Primary Atelactasis, Herpes Virus, Cleft Palates, Hypoglycemia? To see a new born with a birth defect is heart breaking, and it may need to be put down. If it must be done, can you do it, for you can not let it suffer. This can be extremely hard on your Bitch also, and can cause further complications. Are you willing to take a few days off work to raise the litter should anything happen to the dam? Should this happen you may need to Tube Feed. This involves placing a Tube down the mouth directly to the stomach with a measured amount of Formula. A weak Puppy does not have the strength to be fed with a Bottle, so you may even need to supplement if the Dam has only marginal milk. Can you afford to vaccinate the puppies? Vaccinations are started at around 8 weeks of age and are given every 2-3 weeks until the Puppies are 4 months old. This means you will be giving 2-3 Vaccinations to each Puppy before it is to be sold. Do you expect to profit from the sale of these puppies? Most litters cost breeders money, if you are lucky you may break even after the pups are sold. How selective will you be in finding homes for the puppies? What criteria will new owners have to meet? Do they have fenced yards, will they be able to afford routine medical care, will they be able to afford veterinary bills if an emergency arises, will they continue to feed the pup a quality diet, etc.? Are you willing to take back any unwanted puppies or dogs that you have produced if their owners are no longer able to keep them, or at least help them place them in proper homes? Job Tranfers, Medical reasons and etc do happen. Please Educate Yourself Before Breeding Their Life Depends On It ! __________________

07-18-2006, 05:45 PM	#21
teffiemoore Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 916	Spend every day with your new dogs. Read every day something about the breed. Get involved with forums such as this one to gain every bit of information you possibly can. Research the pedigrees of these two dogs. You can get this information through AKC. Fall in love with your dogs. Have them checked out by a Vet. Then in about a year or two. Think about this again, not for the money, only if you have the educated decision that says breeding these two will produce puppies that are a compliment to this great breed. __________________ Steph's Furkids,Yogi, Bogus and Suki www.dogster.com/?320202 www.dogster.com/dogs/778799 Join YAP Here! "Animals are the most agreeable freinds"..

07-18-2006, 06:16 PM	#25
cutiepatutie627 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Steeler Town Posts: 428	what's Nancy's last name?? __________________ I'vE bEeN eGgEd!!!

07-18-2006, 05:43 PM	#19
DayDreamer Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 10	Lolabella, I appreciate your post with all of the info. I'm a SAHM so I am always home. I live on a farm and have unfortunatley seen heartbreak with my own two eyes. I know how cruel birthing can be. My vet lives two farms over and is a personal friend and makes housecalls. We have livestock and horses so he knows the way to my farm. We can afford a c-section or whatever else may need to be done. Maybe because I started this thread off by wondering about the money it gave everyone the impresion that I don't have a pot to P*ss in. That is so not true. This stupid shed is something that I want built by the Amish that my hubby says he will not finance. He's being a turd and trying to teach me a lesson. That is all. We are not rich but we are comfortable. I could afford the puppies and everything that came along with them. The shed is something I've been wanting and I just figured that the puppies that I would get would pay for it and hubby would be fine with it. Would I be the only person to breed a yorkie and then use the money for luxery? Can I ask some of you...was your character and financial status an issue by other members on here when you first joined? I'm just wondering if this is the norm?

07-18-2006, 05:45 PM	#20
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	Just "because" they are AKC doesn't mean they are going to bring in money. There are good and bad dogs from any registry. It is the breeder that stands behind them that makes them what they are worth. My advice is to do some research. Talk to some breeders in your area or on here for that matter. Get a feel for what you may be in for. Have both your potential parents tested for genetic health issues and if this is still something you wish to do, I'm sure you will find people willing to guide and help you. I don't agree with the fact that you only intend to breed to get a new building but if you are truly wanting to breed for the love of the breed, then find a mentor and go from there. There are people who will help you. Best wishes,

07-18-2006, 05:47 PM	#22
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I was wondering if the pups are brother and sister because you said "the puppies made it, but the parents didn't". If they are related you cannot breed them.

07-18-2006, 05:53 PM	#23
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	I see you've met the welcoming comittee. Just kidding. Just trying to lighten things up a bit. You poor soul, you opened up a Pandoras Box and didn't even know it. My first post on here, was that I was considering getting into breeding, I didn't even have the dogs yet, and I got the same warm welcome. Seriously though, I weathered the storm, and hung around and got to know everyone and they really are a nice bunch. Just a little passionate about the subject of breeding for profit. That being said I'd like to welcome you to YT, and seeing as you know nothing about Yorkies, by your own admission, I suggest that you hang around and give us another chance. Yorkies are not just another dog. They require a lot more care and pampering than a lot of breeds. This place is loaded with information and there are some very knowledgable people here. I want you to have some place to come to incase you encounter a problem. As for the shed, maybe you should look for another way to earn the money, it will be years, if ever, before you get enough profit to pay for a shed.

07-18-2006, 06:30 PM	#27
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I am sorry your first post was so controversial. I think everyone has had an experience like this at least once. This really is the best site because it has so many active and knowledgeable members who adore their Yorkies. If your pup is sick, this is where you want to come. You might have not heard what you wanted to hear, but remember you only heard from a handful - there are like 9,000 members! I hate to bring this up again because it is still a rather sore spot, but I know I said that my male doesn't mark in the house because (after he was potty trained and over a year) I would spank him if he did (I only had to spank him twice). It was just a pat on the butt, but from the responses I received you would have thought I beat my dog. I definitely do not condone spanking while potty training. People that really know me would laugh because everyone knows how much I baby my dogs. I thought about leaving - who needs this - but, then I think I really do have a lot of knowledge to share and am helping other Yorkie owners and also learning a lot I didn't know.

07-18-2006, 08:31 PM	#29
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	"Trolling" is when someone makes controversial posts just to get a rise out of people. Many people on forums or chats use this term. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...611#post635611 IF you'd bother to look or ASK her a question...That girl is obviously afraid that your friend Nancy is Nancy Hoenig. She is the breeder of her dog that she is supposed to get a female from from Ohio. They might have been friends and she could be fearing the worst. Maybe you shouldn't skip to conclusions so fast, and point out what you infer is bad. The world isn't exactly against you. You should also understand that most people don't type on here to be malicious but since you can't hear the nonverbal communication (facial expressions, voice tone, etc) on here you shouldn't assume the worst all the time. Sorry that the conversation isn't going your way.

07-18-2006, 08:39 PM	#30
gypsyqueen Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas. Posts: 955	Ive got an idea you should sell the two you have for you storage thats the biggist profit you will make if your dogs are small your talking c section and hand raising and shots and tail docking and thats only part of the buget.