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kitty · 04-12-2006, 12:21 PM

I have a litter of going on 7wk old yorkies. The lady that owns the male that was bred to my female won't give me the information I need to register the puppies. What should I do? My female is ACA registered and the male is AKC registered. I told her I would pay to duel register her male ACA but I need a copy of his registration to mail along with the money. She told me she lost his registration papers and would send off for new one. That was at the time of breeding. I just got off the phone with her and she now tells me AKC lost her request and she was sending them a new one. So now it will be at least 2wks before his AKC papers are back. I'm not sure how long it will take to register the litter ACA since I have to register him too. I am thinking it will be at least another month before I can register the litter. I have people wanting to back out of the sale of puppies because I don't have the papers yet. Thanks for letting me vent.

Any advise?

YorkieRose · 04-12-2006, 12:33 PM

The breeder does not need the papers to register the litter..all she needs is the AKC number..that can be obtained by phone..done it many times myself for stud clients who have lost their females AKC papers...

I would sell the pups without papers, they are unimportant..infact many people who buy AKC from me next want papers.. and next time look for an ACA stud if you can find one.

kitty · 04-12-2006, 01:56 PM

ACA will not duel register the dog without copy of his papers. I have people who want papers on their dogs. This male was suppose to already be aca registerd. I do not know how to register the pups if the male isn't registered with aca. I have his akc registration # but it does no good without the copy of the papers.

gloriajean · 04-13-2006, 08:54 AM

I would just sell them without papers and then when and IF you do get the papes you could give them to the new owners then; IF they want them. Most people buying a pet just want a healthy puppy and don't care about the papers. Most owners don't even send them in.

YorkieRose · 04-13-2006, 09:13 AM

Got it...I would also sell them without papers..people are selling mixed Yorkies for $1000 and more you shouldn't have a problem..good luck

yorky4ME · 04-13-2006, 09:16 AM

I've had the same thing happen to me. I never did get the AKC number in the end...... If I ever use a stud again, I will want a copy right before the breeding takes place.

feminvstr · 04-13-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by yorky4ME

I've had the same thing happen to me. I never did get the AKC number in the end...... If I ever use a stud again, I will want a copy right before the breeding takes place.

good point on my stud contract I have the males registration number on the stud contract and require a copy of the females papers and pedigree.

as well as any outside Ive use I have always been given a contract with the males registration number and pedigree.

kitty · 04-13-2006, 09:58 AM

I have this dogs AKC # but I do not have the ACA # because she told me he was registered with ACA but in fact he isn't. My female is only registered with ACA because the breeder I bought her from only gave me her ACA papers and then wanted another 1000.00 for the AKC. I had already paid over 1000.00 and was not willing to give another. I have all of my pups sold but all of the people that I have sold the pups to want papers. The pups are not ready to go to their new homes yet but I don't think I'm going to have the papers back by the time they are ready. People don't trust that they'll get papers after the fact so I have 2 people that are wanting to back out of buying the pups because I don't have papers on them yet. I have already went down on my prices because I don't have the papers.

vainchick5 · 04-13-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kitty

I have this dogs AKC # but I do not have the ACA # because she told me he was registered with ACA but in fact he isn't. My female is only registered with ACA because the breeder I bought her from only gave me her ACA papers and then wanted another 1000.00 for the AKC. I had already paid over 1000.00 and was not willing to give another. I have all of my pups sold but all of the people that I have sold the pups to want papers. The pups are not ready to go to their new homes yet but I don't think I'm going to have the papers back by the time they are ready. People don't trust that they'll get papers after the fact so I have 2 people that are wanting to back out of buying the pups because I don't have papers on them yet. I have already went down on my prices because I don't have the papers.

In my opinion, if they want to back out of buying the pup of their dreams, then they are really not that interested in the puppy and I would move on to find more suitable homes, where the pup will be loved regardless. Just my opinion. I wouldn't have cared if Coco came from a champion yorkie or an unregistered yorkie, I fell in love with her the instant I saw her pictures. You get attached and if they are unattached enough to back out, let them. Chances are they might not even back out, or you may find better buyers.

kitty · 04-13-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by vainchick5

In my opinion, if they want to back out of buying the pup of their dreams, then they are really not that interested in the puppy and I would move on to find more suitable homes, where the pup will be loved regardless. Just my opinion. I wouldn't have cared if Coco came from a champion yorkie or an unregistered yorkie, I fell in love with her the instant I saw her pictures. You get attached and if they are unattached enough to back out, let them. Chances are they might not even back out, or you may find better buyers.

The thing is they want me to go down on my price because they want the pup they just want it for nothing. They have already paid a deposit so what do I do give it back? I stated the deposit is non refundable if they back out but since I sold the pup with papers and don't have them are they intitled to a refund of the deposit?

bchgirl · 04-13-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kitty

The thing is they want me to go down on my price because they want the pup they just want it for nothing. They have already paid a deposit so what do I do give it back? I stated the deposit is non refundable if they back out but since I sold the pup with papers and don't have them are they intitled to a refund of the deposit?

I'm not a breeder but thought since you asked.....personally if someone were purchasing puppies with the understanding the pups were registered and now that's not happening....I think yes, they are entitled to a refund. Simply put...it's the lack of papers that's ending the sale. The paper issue isn't any fault of their own....I understand it's not really YOU either....

I personally have purchased two puppies that were AKC registered but the breeders did NOT have the papers in hand. I trusted them to send them when they arrived. Of course, the situation is different from yours.

Friend who breeds yorkies had a problem with their female's registration...because AKC kept telling them her registration number had already been assigned else where....any way since they were having this fight with AKC and couldn't get the litter registered, they sold the pups for much less than they sell them with papers.

Good luck

GurleyGirl · 04-13-2006, 11:57 AM

The male does not have to be registered with ACA to register the litter (if the mom is ACA).... Since you said you have the AKC # for the male put that on the litter registration application. I've done this before with my Rocky before I had him dual-registered (now he is both AKC and ACA).

You should not have a problem.

vainchick5 · 04-13-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kitty

The thing is they want me to go down on my price because they want the pup they just want it for nothing. They have already paid a deposit so what do I do give it back? I stated the deposit is non refundable if they back out but since I sold the pup with papers and don't have them are they intitled to a refund of the deposit?

They are not entitled to anything but a puppy for the money they paid, in my opinion, if they don't want that puppy move on. Find the pups a new home. They will go quick anyway since yorkies are too loveable. Just my opinion anyway, it's not like you're holding out on your end. You can't control the other breeder and the buyers shouldn't control you.

sylvan · 04-13-2006, 12:17 PM

My pups never leave here with 'papers' other than their contract with guarantee. The registration doesn't go to them until I recieve a copy of the vet cert for spay/neuter done at 6 months. That will give you plenty of time to get a registration to them.

kitty · 04-13-2006, 12:54 PM

Thank you all for the imput! I really appreciate all of the advise. My girl is scheduled to be spayed next month. I don't think that breeding is for me. (I get to emotinally attached!)

04-12-2006, 12:21 PM	#1
kitty My Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oklahoma Posts: 2,258	What to do? I have a litter of going on 7wk old yorkies. The lady that owns the male that was bred to my female won't give me the information I need to register the puppies. What should I do? My female is ACA registered and the male is AKC registered. I told her I would pay to duel register her male ACA but I need a copy of his registration to mail along with the money. She told me she lost his registration papers and would send off for new one. That was at the time of breeding. I just got off the phone with her and she now tells me AKC lost her request and she was sending them a new one. So now it will be at least 2wks before his AKC papers are back. I'm not sure how long it will take to register the litter ACA since I have to register him too. I am thinking it will be at least another month before I can register the litter. I have people wanting to back out of the sale of puppies because I don't have the papers yet. Thanks for letting me vent. Any advise?

04-12-2006, 12:33 PM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	papers The breeder does not need the papers to register the litter..all she needs is the AKC number..that can be obtained by phone..done it many times myself for stud clients who have lost their females AKC papers... I would sell the pups without papers, they are unimportant..infact many people who buy AKC from me next want papers.. and next time look for an ACA stud if you can find one.

04-13-2006, 09:13 AM	#5
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	papers Got it...I would also sell them without papers..people are selling mixed Yorkies for $1000 and more you shouldn't have a problem..good luck

04-13-2006, 11:57 AM	#12
GurleyGirl YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott City, Missouri Posts: 1,879	The male does not have to be registered with ACA to register the litter (if the mom is ACA).... Since you said you have the AKC # for the male put that on the litter registration application. I've done this before with my Rocky before I had him dual-registered (now he is both AKC and ACA). You should not have a problem. __________________ Joanne Gurley's Yorkies

04-13-2006, 12:17 PM	#14
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	My pups never leave here with 'papers' other than their contract with guarantee. The registration doesn't go to them until I recieve a copy of the vet cert for spay/neuter done at 6 months. That will give you plenty of time to get a registration to them. __________________ Stacy and the crew

04-12-2006, 01:56 PM	#3
kitty My Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oklahoma Posts: 2,258	ACA will not duel register the dog without copy of his papers. I have people who want papers on their dogs. This male was suppose to already be aca registerd. I do not know how to register the pups if the male isn't registered with aca. I have his akc registration # but it does no good without the copy of the papers.

04-13-2006, 08:54 AM	#4
gloriajean YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 460	I would just sell them without papers and then when and IF you do get the papes you could give them to the new owners then; IF they want them. Most people buying a pet just want a healthy puppy and don't care about the papers. Most owners don't even send them in.

04-13-2006, 09:16 AM	#6
yorky4ME Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 605	I've had the same thing happen to me. I never did get the AKC number in the end...... If I ever use a stud again, I will want a copy right before the breeding takes place.

04-13-2006, 09:58 AM	#8
kitty My Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oklahoma Posts: 2,258	I have this dogs AKC # but I do not have the ACA # because she told me he was registered with ACA but in fact he isn't. My female is only registered with ACA because the breeder I bought her from only gave me her ACA papers and then wanted another 1000.00 for the AKC. I had already paid over 1000.00 and was not willing to give another. I have all of my pups sold but all of the people that I have sold the pups to want papers. The pups are not ready to go to their new homes yet but I don't think I'm going to have the papers back by the time they are ready. People don't trust that they'll get papers after the fact so I have 2 people that are wanting to back out of buying the pups because I don't have papers on them yet. I have already went down on my prices because I don't have the papers.

04-13-2006, 12:54 PM	#15
kitty My Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oklahoma Posts: 2,258	Thank you all for the imput! I really appreciate all of the advise. My girl is scheduled to be spayed next month. I don't think that breeding is for me. (I get to emotinally attached!)