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JeanieK..I went back and read all the posts...you were probably reading an old book. Old time breeders do alot of odd things, they are cut from a different clothe..some work for me, some do not. One of the top show breeders in the country (25 yrs ago) told me to do exactly as your book said..."wrap it in a washcloth and put it in the freezer"...what was acceptable back then is not any longer. I did not find it acceptable back then...I might add when I have to give one of my poor newborn babies a pill..I take one myself..it is very stressful.

I have been gone all day and this is the first thread I read..LOL LOL

LOL! Where were you when we needed you on Post #2??

Thanks, Pat, for an expert's voice on the matter. Your post makes perfect sense.

LOLOL..I'm jealous because you haven't had snow..I'm in Cleveland Ohio..need I say more..lolol.

Thank you for being the "voice of reason". This site is visited by people like me, Yorkie owners, and breeders too. In response to someone who said what if you didn't have access to a vet,- well there are always emergency vets. In response to what if you can't leave the others at home unattended, there are vets who make housecalls and there are friends or neighbors who can stay or travel with the dogs. Freezing, drowning, suffocating or any other means other than an injection by the vet are BARBARIC in my neck of the woods!

What if weather conditions make it impossible for travel. NOT what if you are too lazy or don't want to pay the vet.

Ooh...I bet you are a little cold then, aren't you? All these people need to stop talking about BLIZZARDS, that's for sure. ;)

Ok that's it!! I'm gonna take you up on the invite to 'Bama!!..lololol I want to live where blizzards are desert not weather..lolol

Anytime...ha ha ha...I wore a shirt w/ no sleeves today too! Na Na Na Na Na! :p

This is one of the MANY reasons why I wont be a breeder! I am not tough enough to deal with these types of decisions. I must say, this thread has turned and twisted and Jeanie, what exactly are you looking for at this point? There have been answers given. Even a vallium, which I must say, seems the least of the horrors I have read. It seems to me that you keep reposting WHAT IF YOU COULD NOT GET TO A VET? and again, you received answers.
I have experienced some terrible weather conditions here and elsewhere (including a hurricane) and there have been times that getting to a human hospital was not even likely and I live less than 10 miles from three hospitals...
We are prepared the best we can and deal with whatever falls in our laps the best we can if we cannot get help and I think every breeder would do the best they could... I think the general consensus is simply that putting a dog in the freezer is not the best we can do, other solutions have been offered to you, and perhaps you have thought of some of your own as I hope you would have since you have been quite persistent with this particular question. Have you thought of other solutions on your own? Are you considering becoming a breeder? If so, perhaps you are in an area where this may be a real issue for you... One possibility I might suggest for you is that if the winters are that bad there, and the math for a dogs pregnancy is fairly easy, that you keep a female in heat from getting pregnant when those due dates would be more risky.
Good luck with your search and I hope you find what you are looking for.
Bren

Jeanie..I'm sorry you were attacked for your question.
It was a good question and a very interesting read.. Reminds us all that breeding does not always go smoothly.
There are some very tuff decissions to make at times.
Freezing is not something I could do. And glad to hear this is old school.
As far as I can see Pat had the best way to handle what to do...If I could not get the pup to the Vet right away to it have put down.
It's better to be prepared and have a plan in place.. if this should ever happen.
This is a good question to ask the Vet too next time I see him.

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After my snowed in problem and a friends snowed in problem, I stopped breeding any litters due in mid Nov/Feb. Having four wheel drive means nothing if the vet or clinic is closed.
I had a call once from a breeder who is freaking out..her bitch was unresponsive..she car would not start..she was over an hour from me...the bitch died giving birth and she can not find a way to the vet...it was the worst. I have often asked myself if I could have done a section to at least save the pups..once the mother is not breathing you would only have a very few minutes to save the pups..??

You know Pat that is a good question too..I was thinking that as well when reading this thread..
If the bitch died if I could see myself doing a Section to save the pups...
Boy.. that is food for thought..And I hope I never have to face it...
MY mother did it when I was young...
So... as hard as it would be ..I guess I would try.

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I certainly do not want to freak anyone out, but I would do it..I would probably need some therapy afterwards, but I would do it.

Well I have to commend you and Pat for being honest. Just thinking about that scenario, I can tell you I would not be able to do a section. Now, put me in the situation and the adrenaline pumping I may surprise myself and do it. Gosh, I hope I am NEVER faced with that decison as I'm sure you ladies feel the same.