Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I got a call one time from a Yorkie breeder near me..she had a pup born with its brain on the outside of the skull. It was late, Emergancy wanted $330 to put this pup down...that was insane. I told her to leave it with the mom until morning..she called back, the mom would not stop licking the pups head and it was screaming. I told her to take the pup away from the mom..she called back again! Pup was crying and the mother could hear it no matter where she put it in the house, the mom was frantic..so I got out of bed and took her a pill...the next day she called her MD for a presciption of her own.

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I got a call one time from a Yorkie breeder near me..she had a pup born with its brain on the outside of the skull. It was late, Emergancy wanted $330 to put this pup down...that was insane. I told her to leave it with the mom until morning..she called back, the mom would not stop licking the pups head and it was screaming. I told her to take the pup away from the mom..she called back again! Pup was crying and the mother could hear it no matter where she put it in the house, the mom was frantic..so I got out of bed and took her a pill...the next day she called her MD for a presciption of her own.

Originally Posted by red98vett

Pat ...that WAS awful to read let alone see in person...and you ARE a great friend. That doesn't surprise me at all that you did that and I think you offered very valuable help to this thread...

Euthanasia is a hard thing to think about ....but your idea about having something on hand (Valuim) for cases like this really is the most humane way to deal with a suffering puppy. You probably will never know how many people will remember this thread and possibly be in this situation one day...this will stand out in their minds.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That scenario is exactly the type of situation I was referring to. Now I know there is a way to stop the suffering, because the screaming would be more than I could deal with. Like I said, I'd use a hammer if I had to, but the valium sounds like a much better way.

Do Dr's just prescribe them if you ask? Could a vet prescribe them? I can't imagine just walking in and asking my Dr. for a prescription of valium to have on hand for my dogs.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

I was supportive of your question until this point. A hammer?! So, you really think that would be less painful? Sorry, as a wildlife rehabber for over 30 years, that is just too inhumane.

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Personally, if I were to breed, I'd make the necessary arrangements to prevent such a last resort scenario, including any additional costs of having "someone" on call without necessarily needing their services.

This thread makes me very sad......