True Biewers.

[YorkieRini]

Theresa! Thank you so much! My head is spinning too! So many questions so much to think about. Archie is just beautiful!

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

It's Be-Vair is how you pronounce it..I say Beaver with a French accent..I have it on my voicemail from my mentor/breeder in Germany..lolol.

'W' make the 'V' sound in the German Language!

Gymbo, thanks for your kindness..I have still other questions but how to get a club here now that there NO question as to what and how they are!!

Thanks I think I got it...or at least close to it....
I am not sure but I think others here have biewer also- which should be nice for all of you--

[reneernc]

They are sooo beautiful! Next on my list! Hummm, and magnolia isn't far from here!

[BlumoonYorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Cher,

Thank you very much. I really want to move this breed foward as to what it is today. The IBC does have it's own stud book.

I will be in touch with you to understand how to keep the BIewer a separate breed.

The name I understand is an issue. It bothers me too..believe me. But my focus now is to educate and explain what the True Biewer is and how to keep it going. Not to focus where they originiated from..What are they today! They are not Yorkies but Biewers.

Thank you!

I think that Biewer Terriers look like nice little dogs. They tend to be a little bigger than a Yorkie. I hope someday they do get AKC recognized. I hope breeders breed for level toplines and the Tri-colors. When I was a child my mom and I had a pet Yorkie and my step sister who was older than myself had a Maltese. When she went on vacation my mom watched her Maltese. Well not knowing much about heat cycles and such as our yorkie was only 1 1/yrs. old. She came into heat at some point while the Maltese was visiting and low and behold she started getting bigger! My mom being worried ran her to the vet only to find out she was PG and due anyday! The puppies were adroable. One was all Black with 4 white feet and white tipped tail, the chest hair was brown and the body coat was black. Not like a puppy Yorkie as it stayed that way but more like a nice maltese coat only black. One looked exactly like a yorkie, and the other one was brown, black and white all over. All 3 boys and of course my mom gave them to friends and relatives. I saw all 3 as adults and they pretty much stayed the same coloring as they were when they left our home except the one that looked like a Yorkie his head turned all gold with maturity. The two who did not look like a yorkie had a coat that matted easier than the Yokire silk coat does, and required more grooming time simialr to the Maltese coats. Having had this expericne I am positive that Beiwers came down from at least these two breeds. It amazed me how two of them looked just like what is now called Beiwers. Oh and all the ears stood up and we never did anything to make them stand, and my mom never did dock the tails on the two who looked like Bewiers only on the one who looked like the Yorkie. But the Beiwer looking ones were bigger in size than our Yorkie standard, and the Yorkie looking one was 5 lbs.
I also do not think they should have the name Yorkshire in the naming of this new breed, it should have it's own name like Bewier terriers that some have mentioned. This way they will have ther eown merrit and pride of there seperate breed!

[yorkiegal719]

Well Gigi, I can't let your statement go about The Biewers being a mix. If you are calling Mr. Biewer a liar than so be it. His history on this dog was that he produced puppies, from two yorkies, with the white gene being predominate, so he further developed it into what is now known as The Biewer with specific colors at specific points. I was not there at his breeding so I can only stand behind what he has said as have all the other German breeders to this date. It is like any other nomally, if you pursue it, you can eventually get what you are looking for. The trick is to get the whole package, not just looks. So I am sure that there will be controversy over The Biewer for many years but the true fanciers and breeders will not let it fade out. We will keep it clean with good lines, and educating the public on the true history...

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

I think that Biewer Terriers look like nice little dogs. They tend to be a little bigger than a Yorkie. I hope someday they do get AKC recognized. I hope breeders breed for level toplines and the Tri-colors. When I was a child my mom and I had a pet Yorkie and my step sister who was older than myself had a Maltese. When she went on vacation my mom watched her Maltese. Well not knowing much about heat cycles and such as our yorkie was only 1 1/yrs. old. She came into heat at some point while the Maltese was visiting and low and behold she started getting bigger! My mom being worried ran her to the vet only to find out she was PG and due anyday! The puppies were adroable. One was all Black with 4 white feet and white tipped tail, the chest hair was brown and the body coat was black. Not like a puppy Yorkie as it stayed that way but more like a nice maltese coat only black. One looked exactly like a yorkie, and the other one was brown, black and white all over. All 3 boys and of course my mom gave them to friends and relatives. I saw all 3 as adults and they pretty much stayed the same coloring as they were when they left our home except the one that looked like a Yorkie his head turned all gold with maturity. The two who did not look like a yorkie had a coat that matted easier than the Yokire silk coat does, and required more grooming time simialr to the Maltese coats. Having had this expericne I am positive that Beiwers came down from at least these two breeds. It amazed me how two of them looked just like what is now called Beiwers. Oh and all the ears stood up and we never did anything to make them stand, and my mom never did dock the tails on the two who looked like Bewiers only on the one who looked like the Yorkie. But the Beiwer looking ones were bigger in size than our Yorkie standard, and the Yorkie looking one was 5 lbs.
I also do not think they should have the name Yorkshire in the naming of this new breed, it should have it's own name like Bewier terriers that some have mentioned. This way they will have ther eown merrit and pride of there seperate breed!

Germany, like the US, has good registries and bad registries. The only Code of Ethics Biewer breeders should follow is the IBC. The IBC does have a stud book. Finding that there is a paper trail, helps answer some fo the questions I had as well.

[whispersmom2]

I cannot imagine the cussin and discussin the Yorkie when it was initially being developed. Can you, in your wildest dreams, imagine how it would have been if they had had puters?? Mercy me! We might still be trying to decide on the name..LOL

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I cannot imagine the cussin and discussin the Yorkie when it was initially being developed. Can you, in your wildest dreams, imagine how it would have been if they had had puters?? Mercy me! We might still be trying to decide on the name..LOL

LOL !! You have a point and a funny one at that

[whispersmom2]

Villette, I can just see (you know the dogs painted on velvet smoking cigars and playing cards) the breeders sitting around like that and trying to come up with a name. What if they tried to use a few letters from the name of each breed used?? Bet it would look like cuss words..That is why I posted my last message..

[goldenray]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I am wondering something.. What if a pic of a Biewer were in say, a coloring book. The Yorkie colors were colored in..Then, same pic and Biewer colors put in. Wonder how different they would look? I have thought about that for a long time!! Boy, tells you how scientific my brain is, huh?? Or, even, a parti thrown into the mix...That is another consideration..

It might look like a poorly bred Yorkie, but as I stated on another thread, there is more to a dog that distisguishes type. That is what show exhibitors do is breed for the very best based on the standard. The color/texture is our most important feature. If you look at a Silky, it could be interpreted as a Yorkie. In fact any show exhibitor here will tell you the question we are asked most at shows is "Is that a Yorkie or Silky" but the only thing I would be asked about a Biewer is "If that is a Yorkie, didn't know you had mismarked ones!" As I stated in another thread, there was a puff Chinese Crested excused out of the ring once for looking to much like a Yorkie.

I use to have Brussels Griffon with many champions in the breed to my credit, but saw one at the vet recently that one of the employess showed me and I had to ask if it was a Griff or an Affenpincher. It was a Griff, but it looked like an Affen because it was nosy. So as a former breeder/exhibitor it was hard to tell because this dog was not well bred and did not look like it's breed, which meant it had lost type.

Now if coloring in this book and the Biewer was colored Yorkie colors, what I would say in all honesty is that it was either a Silky or a poorly bred Yorkie.

[goldenray]

Originally Posted by BlumoonYorkies

I think that Biewer Terriers look like nice little dogs. They tend to be a little bigger than a Yorkie. I hope someday they do get AKC recognized. I hope breeders breed for level toplines and the Tri-colors. When I was a child my mom and I had a pet Yorkie and my step sister who was older than myself had a Maltese. When she went on vacation my mom watched her Maltese. Well not knowing much about heat cycles and such as our yorkie was only 1 1/yrs. old. She came into heat at some point while the Maltese was visiting and low and behold she started getting bigger! My mom being worried ran her to the vet only to find out she was PG and due anyday! The puppies were adroable. One was all Black with 4 white feet and white tipped tail, the chest hair was brown and the body coat was black. Not like a puppy Yorkie as it stayed that way but more like a nice maltese coat only black. One looked exactly like a yorkie, and the other one was brown, black and white all over. All 3 boys and of course my mom gave them to friends and relatives. I saw all 3 as adults and they pretty much stayed the same coloring as they were when they left our home except the one that looked like a Yorkie his head turned all gold with maturity. The two who did not look like a yorkie had a coat that matted easier than the Yokire silk coat does, and required more grooming time simialr to the Maltese coats. Having had this expericne I am positive that Beiwers came down from at least these two breeds. It amazed me how two of them looked just like what is now called Beiwers. Oh and all the ears stood up and we never did anything to make them stand, and my mom never did dock the tails on the two who looked like Bewiers only on the one who looked like the Yorkie. But the Beiwer looking ones were bigger in size than our Yorkie standard, and the Yorkie looking one was 5 lbs.
I also do not think they should have the name Yorkshire in the naming of this new breed, it should have it's own name like Bewier terriers that some have mentioned. This way they will have ther eown merrit and pride of there seperate breed!

Well Gigi if you new then what you know now! You apparently created the 1st Biewer's. We could be calling them the GIGI Terrier instead.

[jakeepaper]

If one buys a true Biewer from Germany, the research is done. The dogs have a pedigree that go as far back as a yorkie. As far as I am concerned, the changes in the color are a lack of pigment (a genetic marker or defect, as you will). I do not think they should be judged as Yorkshire Terriers, in fact it would be impossible. However, I did buy mine looking at her top line, her ear set, her weight etc. I think it is not a problem to have two different "breeds" of dogs. There is no indications that the ORIGINAL Biewers from Germany are in reality a mixed breed. Should Mr.Biewer have neutered/spayed that original genetic defect? (Well, that is too late to answer). They are here to stay! Just My Humble Opinion.

[goldenray]

Originally Posted by jakeepaper

If one buys a true Biewer from Germany, the research is done. The dogs have a pedigree that go as far back as a yorkie. As far as I am concerned, the changes in the color are a lack of pigment (a genetic marker or defect, as you will). I do not think they should be judged as Yorkshire Terriers, in fact it would be impossible. However, I did buy mine looking at her top line, her ear set, her weight etc. I think it is not a problem to have two different "breeds" of dogs. There is no indications that the ORIGINAL Biewers from Germany are in reality a mixed breed. Should Mr.Biewer have neutered/spayed that original genetic defect? (Well, that is too late to answer). They are here to stay! Just My Humble Opinion.

It doesn't matter if Germany keeps a stud book, that is not a recognized registry, even in Germany. The US needs to form it's own club and maintain it's own stud book. They would become part temporarily of the Rare Breeds Club and look forward to being a recognized breed of it's own. So I think we are in accordance here as I also think they should have their own status. I am talking with some Biewer people now and have offered my help in getting this all off the ground.

I am in no way knocking the Biewer as it's own breed. There are some real cute pictures posted here and think they deserve recognition as a breed.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by goldenray

It doesn't matter if Germany keeps a stud book, that is not a recognized registry, even in Germany. The US needs to form it's own club and maintain it's own stud book. They would become part temporarily of the Rare Breeds Club and look forward to being a recognized breed of it's own. So I think we are in accordance here as I also think they should have their own status. I am talking with some Biewer people now and have offered my help in getting this all off the ground.

I am in no way knocking the Biewer as it's own breed. There are some real cute pictures posted here and think they deserve recognition as a breed.

I like that visual. I have Yorkies and I want to measure my progress with teh AKC. If I keep my Biewer as a 'Yorkie' in the eyes of the AKC judge. Then I am not able to measure my Biewer program and improve. Ah ha!! Light bulb just went on.

[YorkieRose]

Irene...I think the Biewer will get a great deal of support as a new breed. It will take time, but with dedicated breeders as we have here on YT, I think it is certainly possible.

I can talk about things I have seen..not much on talking about things I have heard..that can mislead people. As to "non-standard" color puppies, they have been around the Yorkie world forever. I have had the priviledge of being friends with some well respected breeders. I have never missed the opportunity to learn all possible from them.

About 20 yrs ago a show breeder friend of mine went to PA for stud service, two pups resulted. Let me say my friend had no other dogs but Yorkies, no poodles or Maltese in the stud owners home or my friends. The bitch was bred to a well-known champion. The bitch was of the same bloodline, having been bought from the PA breeder.
When the litter of 2 were born..(I lived down the street) I saw them, they were very white.. black on the saddle, but the legs, tips of tails, neck and shoulders were white. Faces were gold and white..and up into the head area.

At 12 weeks my friend invited another club member to see them. She was told the general thinking in this area was to "put down" any pups of non-standard color at birth to avoid these problems. My friend was upset as these pups were normal in health. They were taken to a fun match. There was much discussion and most came to the conclusion the color genes had diluted too much...they should be placed and not bred..which was done. Up until this litter I have seen Yorkie color dilute very light as they mature, but never at birth.
They were small in size, tail docked of course, so the white tip was gone, tiny ears and fiesty Yorkie temperment..infact I groomed them for a few years. Coats were very silky and they had lovely green eye flash.
I do not have photo's of these pups..but they certainly had as much white as many Biewers and Parti's I see photo's of now.
If this occured today I am sure my friend would have requested a DNA test.

To say these pups were not purebred is to say these fine show breeders are careless with stud services or their pedigrees are not accquire..or these pups were a mutation.