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[AbbysMom08]

I would welcome a breeder that asks for references. I'm happy to give them. Nothing to hide. I've had 3 yorkies and the same Vet has taken care of all of them. My yorkie is my "child".
I do have one question. Do any of the breeders that have replied on this post, sell to someone that doesn't have a fenced in yard? I have never had a fenced in yard. None of my yorkies have ever been outside off leash. I live in a subdivision that doesn't allow fences.

[Yorkiemom1]

I sell to people that do not have fenced in yards, because actually, that means they wont be putting that baby out in the back yard, unsupervised, with a false sense of security that comes with a 6-8 foot fence. "UNSUPERVISED" is my huge flapping red flag!!! Another key word for "unsupervised" is "doggie door".....

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I sell to people that do not have fenced in yards, because actually, that means they wont be putting that baby out in the back yard, unsupervised, with a false sense of security that comes with a 6-8 foot fence. "UNSUPERVISED" is my huge flapping red flag!!! Another key word for "unsupervised" is "doggie door".....

Ditto that!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I sell to people that do not have fenced in yards, because actually, that means they wont be putting that baby out in the back yard, unsupervised, with a false sense of security that comes with a 6-8 foot fence. "UNSUPERVISED" is my huge flapping red flag!!! Another key word for "unsupervised" is "doggie door".....

Indeed. But, sometimes no fence can be bad because people don't want to go out in inclement weather and they let their pups out on their own. It's crazy how many do this. I try to look at the whole picture...have they had other pups for lengthy periods? Do they use pee pads? When I interview people, I "listen" to them. You can get a clear picture if you do that.

Another thing that worries me is when they tell me they live on many acres and it is quiet...no road or automobiles close by. Yikes!

[AbbysMom08]

I have NEVER let any of my babies out alone.
I have always been with them and them on a leash.
I could never feel comfortable letting them out on their own, ever.
I am so afraid of hawks and coyotes. It would only take a couple of seconds and she would be gone
My little one has a few nice winter coats and sweaters and good boots. She loves to tromp around in the snow once I get her boots on.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Indeed. But, sometimes no fence can be bad because people don't want to go out in inclement weather and they let their pups out on their own. It's crazy how many do this. I try to look at the whole picture...have they had other pups for lengthy periods? Do they use pee pads? When I interview people, I "listen" to them. You can get a clear picture if you do that.

Another thing that worries me is when they tell me they live on many acres and it is quiet...no road or automobiles close by. Yikes!

Absolutely!! You have to REALLY listen to what they say, as well as what they answer on any application....I have to be secure in my mind that they would not even THINK of putting their pup outside to roam the neighborhood.....the "fence" question opens up a conversation into several directions, and you get the "big picture" from all the questions answered! My owners are as crazy about their babies as I am....now a pup may escape out an open door into the yard, but NONE of the people I have ever sold one of my babies to, would push them out the door to roam the neighborhood! They are too crazy in love with their babies to do that!

[gemy]

Fenced in yards are not the out of the field question for me/ My breeder of RAzzle wanted to look at my home setup as she trained my large breed dogs and knew Magic but as it happened I ended up a month later with a puppy from Russia. She was upset that I never told this was up n coming. We got through it, with conversation and my re-committed to keeping Razzle safe!And he has been not only kept safe but through his contracted agreements kept in prime physical conditions with all health tests done and at the minmum one conformation CH. Which of course he has two Ch and one GCH.




So with all the stranger rescues - you would never place in my home a YT with two or more BRT's. This despite the fact I have a proven record, obedience train my dogs, provide the best of health care for my animals, do dock diving, have a fenced in yard, and can't remember when I took a vacation without my dogs with me/ I crate and rotate and have never had am *Accidental Pregnacy* and of course I keep my dogs intact. Well at least the males - females are done when then finish breeding.

[Shicks]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

My prospective buyers first fill out an interview application....I go over that and contact them with any questions or concerns I may have.....some people do things they just do not realize can be a danger to a small dog. In my application, my request for references are first and foremost, a vet reference and/or a groomer, anyone else that they may have a professional relationship with that would verify that this person is trustworthy and responsible. Personal references, like friends or relatives or co workers, have always been contacted by the potential buyer BEFORE they are listed on the application....that is their responsibility to clear that reference before they list them.....just like ever other reference anyone gives for job interviews, etc.....you always check with people before you list them as references! I have not had anyone tell me they think my application and request for references is an intrusion.....just as anyone can check MY references, my vet, etc on line., they are scrutinizing ME as a reputable breeder. Just like THEY dont want to get stuck with a sick baby and a breeder that disappears on them, I dont want to send my baby to someone that can not/will not afford the $$$$ to provide medical care for the puppy, or they are not set up to provide care for a puppy, etc. Some people are all excited about getting a baby.....until it cries all night long for several of nights, maybe it has an issue with potty accidents, and the newness, the excitement, the thrill of having a new puppy suddenly sux! My buyer's references are every bit as important to me as MY reputation and ethics and honesty are important to any buyer. If they dont like me, they can choose another breeder.....if I dont think they are suitable to have one of my babies, I dont approve the application.

It has been my personal experience over the years, that people think they have the right to know everything about me and my breeding program and everything I do in relation to my business, (which is actually accurate) but occasionally, they do not think I have the responsibility to screen buyers for my voiceless babies.....my babies DEPEND on ME to put them in situations that are best for them.....that is a responsibility I take seriously, without reservation!

My owners stay in contact with me for many years....I have only lost contact with maybe 4 people, from out of State.... I have never regretted sending out any of my babies to any of the buyers that have come to me for a puppy.....I know them well and they know me...I always refer to us as the "extended RHG (Rosehill Gang) family.....and it is all good!

Good for you. So glad you go the extra mile. I would purchase a pup from you. Where are you located. I'm starting to look for a friend for my baby around January 2016

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by gemy

Fenced in yards are not the out of the field question for me/ My breeder of RAzzle wanted to look at my home setup as she trained my large breed dogs and knew Magic but as it happened I ended up a month later with a puppy from Russia. She was upset that I never told this was up n coming. We got through it, with conversation and my re-committed to keeping Razzle safe!And he has been not only kept safe but through his contracted agreements kept in prime physical conditions with all health tests done and at the minmum one conformation CH. Which of course he has two Ch and one GCH.
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And that can happen with any owner. You sell to someone with that passes all the checks, but you can't control the home situation of that pup for life. People move house & thus to and from fenced yards, people have kids or marry someone with kids, join the military or marry someone in the military, etc. many of the things that would prohibit you from owning the pup of a certain breeder or rescue, may not be in your life scenario right now, but they could be in your future.

So, the life inquisition seems rediculous, IMO.

And people clearly cant judge how 'good ' people are. You never know what someone is like behind closed doors. Your neighbor seems nice, but everyone that beats their spouse, molests their child, kicks their dog, etc., is someone's neighbor. And it happens in all walks of life, from the welfare recipient, to the local business owner, to the police chief & to the local priest. So how do you truly KNOW who is good?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

And that can happen with any owner. You sell to someone with that passes all the checks, but you can't control the home situation of that pup for life. People move house & thus to and from fenced yards, people have kids or marry someone with kids, join the military or marry someone in the military, etc. many of the things that would prohibit you from owning the pup of a certain breeder or rescue, may not be in your life scenario right now, but they could be in your future.

So, the life inquisition seems rediculous, IMO.

And people clearly cant judge how 'good ' people are. You never know what someone is like behind closed doors. Your neighbor seems nice, but everyone that beats their spouse, molests their child, kicks their dog, etc., is someone's neighbor. And it happens in all walks of life, from the welfare recipient, to the local business owner, to the police chief & to the local priest. So how do you truly KNOW who is good?

You can choose to not sell to people with a high likelihood of failing that pup. It really is up to each breeder to sell to whomever they wish. I don't believe that people have a "right" to purchase a live being from an individual breeder.

Trust me there are red flags and if a person takes enough time to properly interview someone, they can reduce the likelihood of failures.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You can choose to not sell to people with a high likelihood of failing that pup. It really is up to each breeder to sell to whomever they wish. I don't believe that people have a "right" to purchase a live being from an individual breeder.

Trust me there are red flags and if a person takes enough time to properly interview someone, they can reduce the likelihood of failures.

You do the very best you can do....I have been very fortunate with my assessments.....establishing a "relationship" with a buyer before the pup is ready to be released to them, is actually pretty easy, and you get to know your buyer very well. If their life situation changes, and they can no longer care for the pup, it is imperative they know and agree the pup comes back to me. Life is life and we can not possibly be prepared for every life situation of every single person in the general public, but you cant just give up without even trying to provide for a wonderful new home for the puppy, and just let baby go to whoever has a fistful of cash.....that would make you no better than a puppy mill.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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You do the very best you can do....I have been very fortunate with my assessments.....establishing a "relationship" with a buyer before the pup is ready to be released to them, is actually pretty easy, and you get to know your buyer very well. If their life situation changes, and they can no longer care for the pup, it is imperative they know and agree the pup comes back to me. Life is life and we can not possibly be prepared for every life situation of every single person in the general public, but you cant just give up without even trying to provide for a wonderful new home for the puppy, and just let baby go to whoever has a fistful of cash.....that would make you no better than a puppy mill.

Yes indeed!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I sell to people that do not have fenced in yards, because actually, that means they wont be putting that baby out in the back yard, unsupervised, with a false sense of security that comes with a 6-8 foot fence. "UNSUPERVISED" is my huge flapping red flag!!! Another key word for "unsupervised" is "doggie door".....

Not nessisarily..... We have a doggy door now keep in mind Callie is 18 pounds or so we also have 8 windows all leading to the back yard, no coyotes here, both gates have big locks on them and so on. She was watched every time she went outside. I have not used the doggy door in almost a year, in July it will be a year but I'm not removing it that would be a crap load of work. So I would hope if I decided to get Callie a sister or brother from a breeder that they wouldn't see the doggy door and automatically go no. I have no problem taking a dog out on a leash either. In winter three years ago Callie had knee surgery and she had to go out on a leash for 8 weeks and for walks in 5 degree temps. Then the second knee was done in July in the heat of the summer for 11 weeks!

[Rachael1983]

I actually was on a waiting list for Emma for roughly a year. I think when we were notified a puppy was avaialble, when I contacted her back, we talked for roughly 30 minutes about our lifestyle (living space, my work situation, children, pet history, etc). Everything she asked seemed to be adequate for the scenario and nothing was intrusive. I think that her asking for references was valid and I wouldn't be approved without having spoken to them. I thought I asked the right questions of her and to this day I'm appreciative that she thought highly enough of me to let us bring Emma home. Emma easily could have been sold as to a show home but she's with us.

Also, Gemy mentioned that some breeders were hesitant to sell to people who were in their 30s who may relocate for work, have babies etc. I could see the rationale actually but I'm in my 30s, just relocated for work and I have a 12 year old. So that doesn't necessarily disqualify someone from being a good home.

I think that the idea to ask for references after you speak with the owner is okay but to ask them at the time of the application may not be ideal. I think you should get a good vibe for the person first and then decide if its even worth the effort to move forward with calling the references. You also want to give the applicant the opportunity to alert their references so they are not caught off guard with the phone call or not answer the call at all. Vet/groomer references need that headsup because their may be several clients in the same practice with the same name or what have you.

I read through all 6 pages before compiling my response so I think I've touched on everything I wanted to mention. Long post. Whew!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Rachael1983

I actually was on a waiting list for Emma for roughly a year. I think when we were notified a puppy was avaialble, when I contacted her back, we talked for roughly 30 minutes about our lifestyle (living space, my work situation, children, pet history, etc). Everything she asked seemed to be adequate for the scenario and nothing was intrusive. I think that her asking for references was valid and I wouldn't be approved without having spoken to them. I thought I asked the right questions of her and to this day I'm appreciative that she thought highly enough of me to let us bring Emma home. Emma easily could have been sold as to a show home but she's with us.

Also, Gemy mentioned that some breeders were hesitant to sell to people who were in their 30s who may relocate for work, have babies etc. I could see the rationale actually but I'm in my 30s, just relocated for work and I have a 12 year old. So that doesn't necessarily disqualify someone from being a good home.

I think that the idea to ask for references after you speak with the owner is okay but to ask them at the time of the application may not be ideal. I think you should get a good vibe for the person first and then decide if its even worth the effort to move forward with calling the references. You also want to give the applicant the opportunity to alert their references so they are not caught off guard with the phone call or not answer the call at all. Vet/groomer references need that headsup because their may be several clients in the same practice with the same name or what have you.

I read through all 6 pages before compiling my response so I think I've touched on everything I wanted to mention. Long post. Whew!

I have not considered this a disqualifier.....and the ONLY time I had to take a baby back, that is the reason! But it wasnt just a relocation.....it involved extensive travel and was going to require the pup be boarded excessively and they were not wanting the pup to "grow up" in a boarding kennel, so she came back home to Rosehill, where she remains today!