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Jenn218 · 01-13-2006, 04:56 PM

Yes, I know about marking, but so many of the "cons" of breeding is that they start marking everything.....I don't see this as being a big concern, since he is doing that now (and we are dealing with it).

I was just curious as to why most of the replies deal with marking after they are bred, when mine is already doing it....odd, I think, since he has never been with another dog.....he does hump his blankie every now and then. :0 Course, I know he is a male and they do that.....

If anyone else has any suggestions about using their babies for a stud or if you had this done before....please let me know all you went through....the good, bad and ugly!

That is why I started this post.....I love my little guy has a pet (he is my baby), but who knows what will come down the line.

Thanks again!

YorkieRose · 01-13-2006, 05:00 PM

The odor of a stud dogs urine is far worse then regular pee...and that isn't a good smell.

gymbo68 · 01-13-2006, 05:08 PM

Things that make ya go hhhmmmmm!

livingdustmops · 01-13-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Regular or extra butter....and what would you like to drink?
I'm thinking chocolate milkshakes.

Cindy, Thanks, It does get old trying to paraphrase these points over and over. I guess I just went whole hog, I always liked this article.
Some popcorn for you too?

Please make mine with extra butter but a side order of vodka on the rocks..It helps with the hammer I keep hitting myself in the head with....

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-13-2006, 05:46 PM

Jenn~

I understand what you are asking for but I have no experience with this as I have never bred any of mine, male or female. I have read a lot on here and what I have read is what you have been told ....that the terms of the relationship and the "transaction" ...the contract....is between the two parties. Sometimes the stud owner charges a stud fee of anywhere from $150 to $1000 or $1500 I have heard for a champion stud.

Or, the stud owner can ask for a puppy from the litter instead or even pick of the litter.

You also have to address what happens if the mating doesn't "take" and the female does not get pregnant. Or, if there is only one in the litter or if (heaven forbid) the puppies do not survive. There are a lot of contingencies to foresee. It would be good if you could find a yorkie breeder in your area who would mentor you and she/he may have a standard type contract to cover this and then you could figure out the terms with the other owner and write your own using that one as a guide.

The mentor will help with a lot.

I would advise premating evaluations of both dogs by a reproductive specialty vet to determine their suitability for breeding and there are health tests that need to be done on both.

Good luck and PM me if you want a great website I found on breeding that walks you through the basics by a good vet.

Jenn218 · 01-13-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Jenn~

I understand what you are asking for but I have no experience with this as I have never bred any of mine, male or female. I have read a lot on here and what I have read is what you have been told ....that the terms of the relationship and the "transaction" ...the contract....is between the two parties. Sometimes the stud owner charges a stud fee of anywhere from $150 to $1000 or $1500 I have heard for a champion stud.

Or, the stud owner can ask for a puppy from the litter instead or even pick of the litter.

You also have to address what happens if the mating doesn't "take" and the female does not get pregnant. Or, if there is only one in the litter or if (heaven forbid) the puppies do not survive. There are a lot of contingencies to foresee. It would be good if you could find a yorkie breeder in your area who would mentor you and she/he may have a standard type contract to cover this and then you could figure out the terms with the other owner and write your own using that one as a guide.

The mentor will help with a lot.

I would advise premating evaluations of both dogs by a reproductive specialty vet to determine their suitability for breeding and there are health tests that need to be done on both.

Good luck and PM me if you want a great website I found on breeding that walks you through the basics by a good vet.

mg: FINALLY, some real answers!

This site is for people looking for answers to any question...right?

Thank you to all of you who have posted.....I have honestly never thought of using my little guy as a "stud", but when this situation arose, I thought...um, who better to ask, then the fellow members of this site.

It does make you wonder..."What if"....so therefore you ask those that you think/know can lend some answers to your questions.

I'm I wrong asking for opinions on this? Isn't it better for me to try to get ideas (in the slim chance I would like to get involved with this later down the line)....is it not better to be educated before just jumping into something this extreme?

Thanks again! I, of course, will let you all know if at anytime (in the years to come) I decide to have some little Mojo's running about!

YorkieRose · 01-13-2006, 06:21 PM

You are so right...if you do not ask ,how can you learn?
The first step is to determine if your male is breed quality..not just his conformation, but pedigree-wise.
Second step is a vet check for genetic problems. If he checks out to be fine, then you want to contact his breeder and determine the genetic health of his line.
After you have done this, I would be more then happy to answer any questions I can.
Best wishes

Jenn218 · 01-13-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

You are so right...if you do not ask ,how can you learn?
The first step is to determine if your male is breed quality..not just his conformation, but pedigree-wise.
Second step is a vet check for genetic problems. If he checks out to be fine, then you want to contact his breeder and determine the genetic health of his line.
After you have done this, I would be more then happy to answer any questions I can.
Best wishes

Thanks for the kind offer....but I can guarantee you that I will more than likely never breed. Not that I wouldn't tons of little Mojo's running around!!! Course, I would be the person who never gave them away, let alone sell them! HA!

I do like to research and ask about everything....I'm strange, I know....even it I may never use the info....it is just good to have. AND in this case, since I was asked about breeding him, I wanted to find all possible answers before I even thought about it.

Thanks ya'll!

speck103 · 01-15-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenn218

Thanks....that makes sense. I definitely want me little guy as a pet, but so many people have commented about his temperment, size, color, etc. (after all, he is THE perfect dog) HA!

I am just checking into all the pros and cons before I decided what I want to do in the years to come. Right, I think I will enjoy him as my baby and not worry about the issues.

My little guy likes to hike his leg now...even though he is potty trained. I wonder why? He has never been with another dog?! Strange....normally, nothing comes out and he will do it in our house or when we go some where.....

I found this thread one of the most informative. I just wanted to jump in on Jenn218 questions with something I thought of. If after you breed your male, you have him neutered would that stop the marking, foul smell, and aggression that may happen? Or is it that once he's mated with a female it's too late.

TatumsMom · 01-15-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by speck103

I found this thread one of the most informative. I just wanted to jump in on Jenn218 questions with something I thought of. If after you breed your male, you have him neutered would that stop the marking, foul smell, and aggression that may happen? Or is it that once he's mated with a female it's too late.

Hmmm, good question. We never had Dax neutered after breeding mainly because as he got older, he had heart problems and it just wasn't really recommended for him to undergo the surgery. His heart problems were dealt with by medication and he lived to a nice old age of 15 years. Now that you brought it up though, I do wonder if neutering later would help alleviate this problem.

whispersmom2 · 01-15-2006, 11:52 PM

Angie brings up another issue-that of the health of the stud; since that is what the thread is about. % gen pedigrees with the ability to find health issues from any of them is essential. I don't know if Angie's boy had genetic heart problems or if he could pass them on to his off-spring but these issues worry me half to death when selecting breeding pairs..
If your guy had, say, grade 1 or 2 LP's and the dam has the same or worse. It isalmost certain their offspring wil be afflicted with the same problems plus they are getting them from BOTH parents..

TatumsMom · 01-17-2006, 07:45 AM

Yes, that is a good point and like I think I said, we were "ignorant" about breeding at that point. Someone had a female, we had a male, we made puppies. Knowing what I know now, it was not the wisest thing. Daxton's heart issues (which he didn't have until about age 12 or so) could have definitely been hereditary or not - not sure since I lost touch of the breeder. I do understand now that all the genetic testing should be done before breeding any pair.

When we got Tatum I thought it would be "neat" to breed her when the time was right but luckily I found this site right after we got her and read about all the precautions. Figuring that she probably would not reach a suitable weight for breeding, we made the decision to have her spayed. I think even if she would have been big enough (and I think she's borderline now at about 5 pounds), I still would have not attempted it knowing about all the problems that can occur. I will definitely leave the breeding of these special babies to those that "know it all" or at least have more knowledge of it all than I do!

01-13-2006, 04:56 PM	#16
Jenn218 Mojo, LilyGrace & Me Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: cuddling with my babies<3 Posts: 17,329	Yes, I know about marking, but so many of the "cons" of breeding is that they start marking everything.....I don't see this as being a big concern, since he is doing that now (and we are dealing with it). I was just curious as to why most of the replies deal with marking after they are bred, when mine is already doing it....odd, I think, since he has never been with another dog.....he does hump his blankie every now and then. :0 Course, I know he is a male and they do that..... If anyone else has any suggestions about using their babies for a stud or if you had this done before....please let me know all you went through....the good, bad and ugly! That is why I started this post.....I love my little guy has a pet (he is my baby), but who knows what will come down the line. Thanks again! __________________ Hi I'm Jenn Mom to..... Mojo,LilyGrace & DD Kate RIP Mojo FOREVER in our hearts!

01-13-2006, 05:00 PM	#17
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	marking The odor of a stud dogs urine is far worse then regular pee...and that isn't a good smell.

01-13-2006, 05:08 PM	#18
gymbo68 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,022	Things that make ya go hhhmmmmm! __________________ Max and Milos Dad!

01-13-2006, 06:21 PM	#22
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	stud You are so right...if you do not ask ,how can you learn? The first step is to determine if your male is breed quality..not just his conformation, but pedigree-wise. Second step is a vet check for genetic problems. If he checks out to be fine, then you want to contact his breeder and determine the genetic health of his line. After you have done this, I would be more then happy to answer any questions I can. Best wishes

01-17-2006, 07:45 AM	#27
TatumsMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TX Posts: 2,799	Yes, that is a good point and like I think I said, we were "ignorant" about breeding at that point. Someone had a female, we had a male, we made puppies. Knowing what I know now, it was not the wisest thing. Daxton's heart issues (which he didn't have until about age 12 or so) could have definitely been hereditary or not - not sure since I lost touch of the breeder. I do understand now that all the genetic testing should be done before breeding any pair. When we got Tatum I thought it would be "neat" to breed her when the time was right but luckily I found this site right after we got her and read about all the precautions. Figuring that she probably would not reach a suitable weight for breeding, we made the decision to have her spayed. I think even if she would have been big enough (and I think she's borderline now at about 5 pounds), I still would have not attempted it knowing about all the problems that can occur. I will definitely leave the breeding of these special babies to those that "know it all" or at least have more knowledge of it all than I do! __________________ ~ Angie

01-13-2006, 05:46 PM	#20
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Jenn~ I understand what you are asking for but I have no experience with this as I have never bred any of mine, male or female. I have read a lot on here and what I have read is what you have been told ....that the terms of the relationship and the "transaction" ...the contract....is between the two parties. Sometimes the stud owner charges a stud fee of anywhere from $150 to $1000 or $1500 I have heard for a champion stud. Or, the stud owner can ask for a puppy from the litter instead or even pick of the litter. You also have to address what happens if the mating doesn't "take" and the female does not get pregnant. Or, if there is only one in the litter or if (heaven forbid) the puppies do not survive. There are a lot of contingencies to foresee. It would be good if you could find a yorkie breeder in your area who would mentor you and she/he may have a standard type contract to cover this and then you could figure out the terms with the other owner and write your own using that one as a guide. The mentor will help with a lot. I would advise premating evaluations of both dogs by a reproductive specialty vet to determine their suitability for breeding and there are health tests that need to be done on both. Good luck and PM me if you want a great website I found on breeding that walks you through the basics by a good vet.

01-15-2006, 11:52 PM	#26
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	Angie brings up another issue-that of the health of the stud; since that is what the thread is about. % gen pedigrees with the ability to find health issues from any of them is essential. I don't know if Angie's boy had genetic heart problems or if he could pass them on to his off-spring but these issues worry me half to death when selecting breeding pairs.. If your guy had, say, grade 1 or 2 LP's and the dam has the same or worse. It isalmost certain their offspring wil be afflicted with the same problems plus they are getting them from BOTH parents..