Breeding my little boy?!

[Jenn218]

Hello all.....

A had a person (known through my cousin) ask about using my little guy to breed with her female. I haven't decided what to do yet.

What is the basic rule of thumb for doing this? What do I get in return, do I pay anything, what should I ask, should I set rules?

This person is not a breeder and just recently got their little girl (I think she is 6months now).....I can't remember when they wanted to breed (if I decide to).

Any ideas, thoughts, concerns, help would be greatly appreciated.

[whispersmom2]

My thoughts are that neither of you have enough knowledge to even consider breeding these two. I am not being hateful but if the other person and you read the sorrows on here from complications that EXPERIENCED breeders have had lately, you will know why I am saying this.
There are so many questions to be answered on both of your parts. First one that comes to mind is the health history of the female. Her size. Her health. Tests done on her. Where was she bred and by whom.. Have you been told that he will not be your sweet little PET anymore if he is like most boys. They mark!!!!!!These are starters.
Please reconsider all of the factors before considering letting your boy mate.

[sylvan]

I agree with Rini...here is a LOOONG article with some good info for those considering breeding.

SHOULD I BREED MY DOG??

Almost everyone who owns a dog thinks about breeding it at least once. Raising a litter sounds easy and fun -- but having puppies isn’t all its cracked up to be. Breeding dogs involves much more work and responsibility than most people are prepared for. Before you breed your dog, there are some important things to consider:

Will all your puppies find good, permanent homes?

According to the Humane Society of the United States and the government Census Bureau, 2,000 puppies and 450 humans are born every hour in our country. Right from the start, only 1 out of 4 puppies has a chance at a home. Finding a permanent home is even harder - only 1 out of 10 dogs will stay with its original buyer for its whole life. 5 out of 10 will change owners before they’re a year old. The remainder of these dogs will end up in animal shelters, abandoned and unwanted. Even if your dog is an expensive purebred, your puppies are subject to the same statistics. At least 3 million dogs will be killed in animal shelters this year alone because there just aren’t enough homes for all of them There are so many unwanted pets that cities all over the country are considering passing laws that will ban all breeding.


Your responsibilities as a breeder:

As a breeder you’re personally responsible for each and every puppy for the rest of its life. Your responsibility doesn’t end with selling the puppy - it only starts there! It will be up to you to know where those puppies are six months, a year, five years from now and whether or not they’re being taken care of. It will be up to you to keep any unsold puppies or to take back puppies you’ve sold after they’re grown if their owners can’t keep them anymore. Since only 1 out of 10 puppies stays with its original buyer for life, you can expect to have to take back most of your litter sooner or later. The time to prepare for this is now - before you bring puppies into the world, not after. Will you have facilities to house these dogs? Will you have time to care for them? If you’re offering your dog for stud service, you have as much responsibility for the welfare of his puppies as do the owners of the bitches bred to him.

As a breeder,you have the responsibility of controlling the reproductive future of the puppies you sell. It might seem like having just one litter doesn’t add much to the dog population but - if your dog or bitch produces just one litter of four pups who in turn each produce just one litter themselves and so forth, in only 7 years your dog will have 4000 descendants! “Just one litter" has serious consequences! You’ll need to learn how to write and enforce a contract requiring the new owners to spay or neuter their puppies.

You have a responsibility to your puppies and their buyers to produce the healthiest and most mentally sound dogs possible All breeds have genetic health and temperament problems that can be passed on to their puppies. It takes experience and knowledge to learn how to recognize these problems. Many inherited defects are “hidden” - although your dog may not seem to have a problem, it could be genetically programmed to pass trouble along to its pups. Without expensive medical testing and a thorough understanding of genetics and pedigrees, you could easily produce puppies that will be a heartache to their owners and a financial burden to you. Reputable breeders check their adult stock for evidence of hip and elbow dysplasia, eye diseases, thyroid and hormone trouble, skin problems and allergies, bleeding disorders and other problems before even thinking of breeding.

As a breeder, you must be prepared to guarantee your puppies against inherited health problems that may not appear until adulthood. This can mean refunding money or replacing a dog years later. Many states are now passing “puppy lemon laws” that would require a breeder to refund up to three times the purchase price of a defective puppy or pay for its medical bills. Temperament is also subject to guarantees. You could be sued if a dog you produce bites someone! You need to be there to give buyers advice on training, behavioral and medical problems. You’re the “on-line” support for your puppies’ owners for the next 10-15 years!


Having a litter is expensive

Raising a litter involves a considerable investment in time and money - money that you aren’t likely to get back in profit. By the time your bitch is old enough to have puppies, you’ll already have more than $1000 invested in her purchase price, food & upkeep, vaccinations and the medical tests & certification to prove her suitability for breeding. In order to produce quality puppies, you’ll need to use a stud dog that’s as good or better than she is. Good stud dogs require a hefty fee. Most professional breeders won’t be interested in taking a puppy in exchange nor are they interested in breeding to just any bitch.

There’ll be pre-whelping exams and x-rays, post-whelping exams and shots, dewclaw removal and/or tail docking, puppy shots (two sets for each pup before they’re sold), worming medication, extra food for dam & pups, equipment like whelping boxes, heating pads, puppy playpens, crates, etc. Problem pregnancies are common. A cesarian section can cost up to $500.

You’ll be taking time off work to help whelp the litter and make sure all is well the first few days. especially if this is your bitch’s first litter. Dogs don’t always know what to do and can accidentally kill their puppies. A problem during whelping can cost your bitch her life if you’re not there to tend her. You can depend on a 25% mortality rate for newborn puppies no matter how well you care for them. Birth defects like cleft palettes are also common. Then there will be advertising costs to help sell your puppies. Depending on your breed and part of the country, it can take up to 4 months to find proper homes for your whole litter. Even breeders of top quality show dogs rarely break even on their expenses.


AKC registration requirements

If you plan to register your litter with the AKC, you need to become familiar with their rules and recordkeeping requirements. You should be aware that they have the right to inspect your premises and breeding records at any time. If your recordkeepng doesn’t meet their standards, they can refuse to register your puppies, impose a fine and suspend you from registration privileges for life.



Before going any further, think hard about your reasons for wanting to breed a litter. Here are some of the most common ones:


“Nature intended for dogs to have puppies.”

Nature doesn’t control our pets’ reproductive careers any more - people do. Nature’s way is very different than ours. Nature never intends for all animals to reproduce. In the wild, nature sees to it that only the strongest, fittest and smartest animals survive long enough to have babies. Nature only allows females to conceive when the food supply and environment is suitable to assure their offspring a good future. We humans allow our animals to reproduce anytime whether if there is a future for them or not.


“We’re doing it for the kids.”

Seeing the miracle of birth isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. It’s messy, bloody and usually happens in the middle of the night. It’s painful for the bitch and her cries may be more than you or the kids can stand. There are videos and books available to show children what birth is like without the responsibility and expense of raising puppies.


“We want another dog just like this one."

Your puppies have at least a 50-50 chance of taking after the other parent instead! Your dog is unique, special. The laws of heredity make it impossible for any two to be exactly alike. Many of the qualities of personality that make your dog so adorable to you are developed, not inherited.


“We want to keep a puppy.”

It’s far cheaper and easier to buy a new puppy than to breed one yourself!


"All our friends want one.”

Almost everyone who saw your dog as a pup will tell you they want one “someday”. That someday is seldom when your puppies are ready for their new homes! You’ll be amazed at how many people suddenly don’t have time for a pup right now or aren’t willing to pay your price. Don’t count on vague promises!

Placing puppies in good homes is easier said than done. Not everyone should own a dog and bad owners aren’t always easy to sort from the good ones. You have to be a good judge of character and willing to spend time getting to know people before you sell them a puppy. Do they have the experience to raise and train your puppy and if not, are you willing to teach them? Is this the BEST possible home for this particular puppy? Do you know how to evaluate puppy potential to match the right dog with the right person? Will you be willing to hang on to each pup untill just the right home comes along?

[sylvan]

SHOULD I BREED MY DOG??




“She needs to experience sex" ... or ... “it’ll settle him down.”

No, on both counts. Sex in animals is governed by hormones. There is no love, emotion or thinking involved. A bitch only “thinks” about sex when she’s in season. The experience is forgotten once her season is over. Males only think about sex when they’re near a bitch in season. Breeding won’t settle your dog down at all - it will make your male dog worse. He’ll become more territorial and aggressive toward other dogs, may lose his house manners, and will become uncontrollable if there’s a breedable bitch in the neighhorhood. If they’ve never had it, they don’t miss it! “Settling” a dog down male or female. is a matter of maturity and training, not sex!

There’s no truth to the old wives’ tale that bitches need to have a litter before spaying. Veterinarians who still give that advice are behind the times! Research shows that even baby puppies may be spayed or neutered with no ill effects. Spaying a bitch before her first heat cycle eliminates the risk of breast cancer and life-threatening uterine infections. Neutering a male dog won’t make him a wimp! In fact, neutering will make him a better, more trainable pet by allowing him to channel what used to be sexual energy into other, more constructive, areas.


“We want to get back our investment in our dog.”

As I pointed out earlier, you’re not likely to make a profit from raising puppies. In fact, raising a litter will probably cost more than you ever imagined! You probably bought your dog to provide companionship and pleasure. Even you paid as much as $500 for it, that’s only an “investment” of $50 a year if your dog lives for 10 years - less than $1 a week. Isn’t the companionship. pleasure love and loyalty your dog gives you worth that much?



Learning how to breed responsibly

If you sincerely feel that you have exceptionally good reasons for breeding your dog and can live up to the great responsibility involved, your work is just beginningl

Your first step is to call the American Kennel Club for a referral to the national and local clubs for your breed. Join the club to meet and learn from other serious breeders. Subscribe to dog magazines, especially the national magazine for your breed and the AKC GAZETTE. Read everything you can find pertaining not only to your breed, but all breeds. You’ll need an education in all canine subjects, medical concerns, anatomy and structure, behavior, training and even some psychology for working with the owners of your new puppies. Go to dog shows where you can see and touch other examples of your breed and learn what makes them better than average.

One of the most important parts of your education is learning what the “breed standard” means. Each AKC-recognized breed has a written standard of perfection. It describes what that breed should look, move and act like. Serious breeders constantly measure, test and compare against this standard before deciding whether their chosen dog is good enough to breed. They show their dogs in order to compare them with others of high quality. Standards aren’t easily understood in one reading. It takes study and exposure to hundreds of dogs before you can really see why certain characteristics are important and whether or not your dog has them to such a degree that breeding it would improve the overall quality of the entire breed. That’s the real goal of serious dog breeding and the ONLY reason to breed any dog - to produce animals that are exceptional in appearance, health, temperament and trainability.

It can take years to gain this kind of knowledge and along the way, you might learn that the dog you have is a fine pet, but not good breeding stock. If so, you’re in good company. Some of today’s most successful breeders began by finding out the same thing. They discovered that getting a dog of suitable quality meant a serious financial commitment and a lifetime of dedication to do their very best even though there would be no real monetary reward for their effort.

Breeding dogs today is a serious matter. Before going any further, visit your local pound or animal shelter to see what happens to the dogs that were raised by people who thought it would be “fun” to have a litter. “The miracle of death” by euthanasia is just as educational as the “miracle of birth”! If you intend to breed your dog, then you should be fully aware of what the consequences may be.


Will it be worth it? Most of the time, the answer is no. The decision NOT to breed your pet is one of the most intelligent, educated and loving decisions you can make.




For more information on your breed, registration requirements,
or to find the dog clubs closest to you, call:

The American Kennel Club
200 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10010
(212) 696-8200 8:30a.m.- 4:15pm
Eastern time, Monday thru Friday



This article was written by Vicki DeGruy and published as a service of the Chow Chow Club, Inc. Welfare Committee. It may be reproduced for non-profit, non-commercial use provided the content is not changed.
For more information, write to:

The Chow Chow Club Inc. Welfare Committee
9828 E. County A
Janesville, WI 53546


Related Reading -- Books

My Puppy is Born
excellent color pictorial for children on whelping Barbara Miller
Canine Reproduction - A Breeder’s Guide Phyllis Holst DVM
The New Art of Breeding Better Dogs Kyle Onstott
Breeding Better Dogs Dr Carmen Battaglia
Medical & Genetic Aspects of Purebred Dogs Clark/Stainer
The New Knowledge of Dog Behavior
stages of puppy development, essential socialization,
temperament testing Clarence Pfaffenberger
The Art of Raising a Puppy Monks of New Skete
Purebred Dogs - American Kennel Gazette
monthly magazine for serious dog breeders American Kennel Club
AKC Book of Dog Care & Training American Kennel Club
AKC Breed Standard Videos American Kennel Club

[Gazou]

Sylvan , thank you for the posts .

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by Gazou

Sylvan , thank you for the posts .

Hey thanks, I feel like I should've offered a snack to anybody reading that much...popcorn, anyone?

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Hey thanks, I feel like I should've offered a snack to anybody reading that much...popcorn, anyone?

I'll take popcorn.... But really on the serious side... great info !!!

[livingdustmops]

Great Post(s). I really wish we could sticky note both of them because of how many people ask these same type of questions.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I'll take popcorn.... But really on the serious side... great info !!!

Regular or extra butter....and what would you like to drink?
I'm thinking chocolate milkshakes.

Cindy, Thanks, It does get old trying to paraphrase these points over and over. I guess I just went whole hog, I always liked this article.
Some popcorn for you too?

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Regular or extra butter....and what would you like to drink?
I'm thinking chocolate milkshakes.

Cindy, Thanks, It does get old trying to paraphrase these points over and over. I guess I just went whole hog, I always liked this article.
Some popcorn for you too?

EXTRA BUTTER !!! with a pepsi, please

Stacy this is what sets breeder aside from the rest... Educating others. It is in your blood dear....

I can picture this in my head now -- we are 90 yrs old no teeth, to old to breed anymore, so our old yorkies (no teeth either..lol) sitting by our sides still while we are on the computer still educating...

[Jenn218]

Thanks for all the info..........

Here's the deal....who is to say I will ever breed my little guy. I just wanted all the pros and cons (which I think we got that) and all the questions and answers I would need to know about someone else wanting to do this.

I guess my main question would be (and this is IF I ever even decide to do this at some time in my life), what responsibilities do I have as the male owner in this case.....AGAIN, I doubt if I do this right now, but who knows about down the line....and HEY.....didn't we all start somewhere? We all have to have our firsts.....right? I would rather go into my first time at doing something serious with knowing all I could from everyone I know that has had experiences in the past!

Okay, here is some options the vet and others have told me:
As being the male, you normally are responsible for very little (allowing your guy to get with the female, etc). Most is based on what is agreed upon. Some (male owners) will not be responsible for any costs, some will get the pick of the litter, etc. Some split everything (vet costs, price sold, etc) evenly. (again, all is different and is what is agreed upon by the two involved).

Now, I just want to hear what others have gone through, if anyone has used their little guy as a stud. Or if you had this with your female. What did both people decide on, etc.

I really don't know much about this person....so, if I was considering acutally doing this, I would definetly become a part of their lives for a long time before this would actually happen. (I am very anal when it comes to my little guy and I only want the best for him). I do not know if this person as raised others or what....all I know is that my cousin called and throw out the option of this because she had shown this person pictures of my furbaby and she loved him right away.

Thanks to all....that is why I love this site!! You get every aspect on your questions!

[Yorkieluv]

Wow sylvan, great info!

[TatumsMom]

I can personally say that I would not have studded out my male toy poodle years ago if I had known the problems I'd have afterwards. Yes, we got a nice litter out of the experience and as far as I know, the female did not have any problems BUT the marking issue was very much a problem in our case. I did not know about that issue beforehand or I would have not done it. Dax (my poodle) started marking in the house after the one and only time of breeding him and it was NOT a great part of the experience. I hear on this site all the time that this can be a problem with the male afterwards so I'm just here to say, yes, we definitely had this problem. From what I understand, those that use their males for breeding, usually have "special" males that are not always also "pets" in their home. But hopefully the breeders here can tell you more on that.

Good luck.

[Jenn218]

Thanks....that makes sense. I definitely want me little guy as a pet, but so many people have commented about his temperment, size, color, etc. (after all, he is THE perfect dog) HA!

I am just checking into all the pros and cons before I decided what I want to do in the years to come. Right, I think I will enjoy him as my baby and not worry about the issues.

My little guy likes to hike his leg now...even though he is potty trained. I wonder why? He has never been with another dog?! Strange....normally, nothing comes out and he will do it in our house or when we go some where.....

[Diego]

Your little one hike his leg because he is starting to mark .

Do you have a picture of this perfect little one ?