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11-24-2011, 10:28 AM | #1 |
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| Question about finding a stud I've given it a lot of thought, and before I have my little girl Tashi spayed, I want her to have a litter of puppies. The problem is, she's not a registered Yorkie. The way she came to be in my life was rather odd, and when I got her she wasn't in a very good way. Now, she is thriving, beautiful, loving, and it would mean the world to me to have a puppy of hers. If I do breed her, I know where her puppies will go. They will be placed in homes with my good friends. I will not charge a dime for her puppies, but I will require they sign something stating that the puppies will be spayed or neutered, and will not be bred. If Tashi does have a litter of puppies, it will be only one, and then she will be spayed. No ifs-ands-or buts about it. I know people are going to disagree with my decision, and I fully respect that, but it really would mean the world to me to have a baby of hers and watch it grow up, watch her care for it. She has a "baby" toy that if i throw to play fetch, she wines and takes him to a soft place and licks him. My question is, how would I go about finding a stud? Would a breeder just laugh at me? The only things I really care about in finding a stud are that he's healthy, very sweet, and either the same size as her (5.5 lbs) or smaller. http://i.imgur.com/atUqr.png That's her, by the way. Last edited by pandaleigh; 11-24-2011 at 10:31 AM. |
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11-24-2011, 11:54 AM | #2 |
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| Do so with great care. Make sure the stud is tested for diseases genetic and otherwise. I would be cautionous of a stud owner that does not care if the female dog is registered or not. Some people just stud their dogs out only for the money without consideration for the health of the dog.
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11-24-2011, 12:00 PM | #3 |
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| Thank you kindly for your response. What diseases should I request that they've been tested for? I understand Tashi will need to be tested for Brucella, anything else I should ask the vet to test her for? I know I'm in a bit of a precarious position, as Tashi is unregistered. |
11-24-2011, 12:40 PM | #4 |
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| Ie no patella or other orthopedic conditions ( xrays needed), no tracheal problems, no congenital eye problems, cardiologist cleanance, etc. Both would need to have clean bills of health prior to breeding with normal blood work in addition to Brucella testing. Also the stud should not be breeding females back to back exposing him and then your female to diseases. You will need a stud contract between you and the studs owner. You said she was in good shape when you go her. Do you know anything about her background ie where she came from originally. I breed my Cozy- She is an over standard female (10 pounds) to a 3 pound male for her 2nd litter. She had 5 pups- 4 females and 1 male. She almost needed to have c- section and the vet told me to not breed her again because of this. The females were completely healthy but the male had a cleft palate. He unfortunately died after 3 weeks with 24/7 care and vet bills. There was no cleft puppies previously on mom or dad's side. Dad was also neutered due to this.
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11-24-2011, 12:49 PM | #5 |
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| Just food for thought. Cozy was a great mother but if I could do it over I would not have. She is my pet and famiy member first and foremost. Good luck. Make sure to really research breeding before you do it and be prepared for the unexpected. A c- section is about $1,000 planned and more if it is an emergency section. If she already had a tough start in life why put her at risk? I wouldn't but good luck to you.
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11-24-2011, 12:58 PM | #6 |
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| You also really can't hold the owners of her pups to a higher standard than yourself to neutering/ spaying their pups. Not trying to be a Debbie downer. Make sure you have a vet on call if an emergency occurs. I'm a nurse myself and was freaked out when Cozy was having trouble delivering her litter. She also ended up with a UTI and mastitis after she had the pups. Her first litter was unplanned- only partially my fault. She went to the groomer in heat. The groomer was aware and her staff let her out of her cage to play with an unaltered male. She had no troubles with the first litter.
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11-24-2011, 01:07 PM | #7 |
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| To find a stud you can post an ad in newspapers or contact breeders with or without a present litter. I would make sure the stud is smaller than her because under 6 pounds for a female puts her at higher risk to begin with. She could have anywhere from 1 to 6 puppies. Cozy have 5 both litters. The stud I used for her 2 nd litter and Cozy were both 1 of 6 puppies in their litters. The stud had previously fathered litters of 3 puppies.
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11-24-2011, 04:05 PM | #8 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West Covina, CA
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| Thanks so much for responding to me Your response was very thorough and I really appreciate it I will take all of that into consideration, and I am not 100% sure I will breed her, I may decide not to and just have her spayed. As for holding other people to a responsibility I will not hold myself to, I absolutely will. They are friends of mine with absolutely no experience in breeding animals and I will be giving them the dogs only under the condition that they agree to not breed them and to have them spayed or neutered. My mom showed Pomeranians while I was growing up and I've been in the operating room while her females were having c-sections. I've birthed small pups, I'm aware of how to clean the sack, how to sling them to get the mucous out of their lungs, and the warning signs to watch for in the mothers that they may be septic or there might be problems with the birthing. I'm pretty well versed on how to deliver pups and I know that small dog births are particularly difficult. (I saw a fully trained vet sling one of my mom's puppies directly into the floor because he improperly gripped the dog). While I greatly respect that you believe I shouldn't hold anyone to standards I wouldn't hold myself to, I disagree. There are enough unregistered dogs in shelters as it stands, and because I very seriously want the offspring of my dog to raise and to love, I am willing to go against what I believe in and consider having a litter of pups with her, but I absolutely don't want to perpetuate that into generations upon generations of unregistered dogs or backyard/in home breeders breeding her offspring for a quick buck. That is the reason I will only place her offspring in homes I know personally, and will do so with great discretion and a sense of responsibility. I feel a direct responsibility to ensure that if she does have puppies, I know full well where each of them go, and that they are altered. While I was very involved in the birthing side of what my mother did (she was great, by the way, she only had 2-3 litters a year. She owned 2 sires that she showed to Champion status w/ AKC and owned 3 bitches. She either sold the dogs as show potential to very good show homes, or pet-only with limited registration and a spay/neuter contract). I was not in any way involved with understanding how studs or stud fees worked, which is why I am asking for help understanding it |
11-24-2011, 04:49 PM | #9 |
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| How old is your dog? Has she had at least one heat? Also, what is your girl's weight? Also wondering what you meant by she had a rough start in life? Just to warn you, you are probably going to have a problem finding a stud from someone reputable bc she is not registered. Please be careful and do not accept just any stud. Also, things can go very wrong w breeding. Have you ever whelped an animal? Does your vet offer emergency care 24 hours to help you? Will you know if a whelp is progressing correctly? Are you ready for the financial responsibility if something goes wrong requiring emergency vet care - C sections are common, pups w health problems, difficult whelp, etc. Just some things to think about. My background is human medicine. I am always surprised by the # of ppl who think birth is a "natural process" and needs no medical care/supervision. Things go wrong. You will need to have someone who knows what they are doing right there to help you.
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11-24-2011, 05:04 PM | #10 | ||
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She's 3 years old. What I meant by "she had a rough start" Is that when I got her, she was owned by a friend-of-a-friend's girlfriend. I went over to her house one time and saw that she was being kept in a back yard in Los Angeles (concrete) with two large dogs. When I got her she had a URI, and it was pretty bad. She hadn't been well cared for, and I begged the girl to give her to me so I could take her to the vet. She wouldn't "give" her to me, but she did sell her to me, I took her to an emergency vet the same day, she had IVs and antibiotics, I took her for two follow up visits, blood testing, and she was deemed in good health. She's a very happy, energetic, and healthy dog now, who shows absolutely no signs of prior neglect. She's my best buddy in the whole world, and she's flown all over the US with me (under my seat). I take her to work with me when I do have to go in, and we've been attending obedience classes just for fun, she seems to really like them :P | ||
11-24-2011, 05:27 PM | #11 |
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| Thanks so much for responding to me Your response was very thorough and I really appreciate it I will take all of that into consideration, and I am not 100% sure I will breed her, I may decide not to and just have her spayed. As for holding other people to a responsibility I will not hold myself to, I absolutely will. They are friends of mine with absolutely no experience in breeding animals and I will be giving them the dogs only under the condition that they agree to not breed them and to have them spayed or neutered. My mom showed Pomeranians while I was growing up and I've been in the operating room while her females were having c-sections. I've birthed small pups, I'm aware of how to clean the sack, how to sling them to get the mucous out of their lungs, and the warning signs to watch for in the mothers that they may be septic or there might be problems with the birthing. I'm pretty well versed on how to deliver pups and I know that small dog births are particularly difficult. (I saw a fully trained vet sling one of my mom's puppies directly into the floor because he improperly gripped the dog). While I greatly respect that you believe I shouldn't hold anyone to standards I wouldn't hold myself to, I disagree. There are enough unregistered dogs in shelters as it stands, and because I very seriously want the offspring of my dog to raise and to love, I am willing to go against what I believe in and consider having a litter of pups with her, but I absolutely don't want to perpetuate that into generations upon generations of unregistered dogs or backyard/in home breeders breeding her offspring for a quick buck. That is the reason I will only place her offspring in homes I know personally, and will do so with great discretion and a sense of responsibility. I feel a direct responsibility to ensure that if she does have puppies, I know full well where each of them go, and that they are altered. While I was very involved in the birthing side of what my mother did (she was great, by the way, she only had 2-3 litters a year. She owned 2 sires that she showed to Champion status w/ AKC and owned 3 bitches. She either sold the dogs as show potential to very good show homes, or pet-only with limited registration and a spay/neuter contract). I was not in any way involved with understanding how studs or stud fees worked, which is why I am asking for help understanding it |
11-24-2011, 06:54 PM | #12 |
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| Among the many, many reasons I didn't ever consider breeding my Sophia the top of them was this: I did not want to risk her life. She means the world to me. Sounds like your girl does too. Instead, when the time was right, I bought my Peyton. Now, I can't imagine loving any other puppy more. Your next dog does not need to be related to your current dog. For me, the risk of losing my Sophia would just be something I could not stand. Especially if I caused it with breeding her. Good luck to you. I hope you make a wise decision.
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11-24-2011, 10:03 PM | #13 | |
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You having your baby have a litter makes you a backyard breeder, fact. Do you know how much it will cost you to breed and whelp the litter? Will you get rid of them as soon as you can so you won't "waste" anymore money since you are giving them away for free? Do you know how uncomfortable you are going to make your baby by forcing her to give birth? Do you know that many first time mothers end up killing their newborns? You are used to seeing your Poms have c-sections? Why did they have so many c-sections? You said your baby had a hard start in life, why are you continuing it? Let her be a pet, a princess for the rest of her days. Why not get her spayed now? The sooner you do it, the less likely she will have a chance of getting several types of cancer as well as pyometria.
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11-25-2011, 01:28 PM | #14 | |
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| I got your PM. I think when you first join so many posts get reviewed first before they post. Eventually, the mods do not do that. I am glad you are thinking about this and asking ppl. I'm also glad you shadowed your mother's breeding. You would be surprised how many ppl post here, dog already pregnant, soon to deliver, looking for a mentor - never saw a birth in their lives and have no $ for C sections or other complications. It is ultimately your dog and your decision. My concern if I were you were the inability to find a quality stud for my beloved little girl. I'm sure you are quite attached to her after rescuing her from those deplorable conditions. Please let us know what you decide. Quote:
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11-25-2011, 01:43 PM | #15 |
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| What were the deplorable conditions she was rescued from?
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