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Old 11-24-2011, 10:03 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by pandaleigh View Post
Thanks so much for responding to me Your response was very thorough and I really appreciate it

I will take all of that into consideration, and I am not 100% sure I will breed her, I may decide not to and just have her spayed.

As for holding other people to a responsibility I will not hold myself to, I absolutely will. They are friends of mine with absolutely no experience in breeding animals and I will be giving them the dogs only under the condition that they agree to not breed them and to have them spayed or neutered.

My mom showed Pomeranians while I was growing up and I've been in the operating room while her females were having c-sections. I've birthed small pups, I'm aware of how to clean the sack, how to sling them to get the mucous out of their lungs, and the warning signs to watch for in the mothers that they may be septic or there might be problems with the birthing.

I'm pretty well versed on how to deliver pups and I know that small dog births are particularly difficult. (I saw a fully trained vet sling one of my mom's puppies directly into the floor because he improperly gripped the dog).

While I greatly respect that you believe I shouldn't hold anyone to standards I wouldn't hold myself to, I disagree. There are enough unregistered dogs in shelters as it stands, and because I very seriously want the offspring of my dog to raise and to love, I am willing to go against what I believe in and consider having a litter of pups with her, but I absolutely don't want to perpetuate that into generations upon generations of unregistered dogs or backyard/in home breeders breeding her offspring for a quick buck. That is the reason I will only place her offspring in homes I know personally, and will do so with great discretion and a sense of responsibility. I feel a direct responsibility to ensure that if she does have puppies, I know full well where each of them go, and that they are altered.

While I was very involved in the birthing side of what my mother did (she was great, by the way, she only had 2-3 litters a year. She owned 2 sires that she showed to Champion status w/ AKC and owned 3 bitches. She either sold the dogs as show potential to very good show homes, or pet-only with limited registration and a spay/neuter contract). I was not in any way involved with understanding how studs or stud fees worked, which is why I am asking for help understanding it
You want to breed your unregistered bitch. How? To another unregistered stud, that's the only way anyone would agree to it. And for money's sake only. Ok, then you have the pups already spoken for, how do you know the new owners don't see dollar signs in their eyes? Or what if one of them gets loose before they are altered? Someone else can keep them and use them as a puppy machine. Like you said, there are plenty of unregistered dogs in rescues and pounds. Why are you adding to them?

You having your baby have a litter makes you a backyard breeder, fact. Do you know how much it will cost you to breed and whelp the litter? Will you get rid of them as soon as you can so you won't "waste" anymore money since you are giving them away for free?

Do you know how uncomfortable you are going to make your baby by forcing her to give birth? Do you know that many first time mothers end up killing their newborns?

You are used to seeing your Poms have c-sections? Why did they have so many c-sections?

You said your baby had a hard start in life, why are you continuing it? Let her be a pet, a princess for the rest of her days. Why not get her spayed now? The sooner you do it, the less likely she will have a chance of getting several types of cancer as well as pyometria.
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