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gidget529 · 11-25-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pandaleigh

Hi

I typed out a very lengthy response to Mika, which, for some reason has to be approved by moderators, but it did include:

Like I said, I'm aware that I will probably have a difficult time finding a reputable stud, because she's unregistered. I do have a vet that I am familiar with, and greatly respect, and they work with a 24-hour clinic. (She once at a chicken bone from the trash she knocked over while I was at the store, and I had to bring her in very late at night. I have photos of her x-rays if anyone's curious/interested. They're really clear and I think they're pretty neat.)

She's 3 years old. What I meant by "she had a rough start" Is that when I got her, she was owned by a friend-of-a-friend's girlfriend. I went over to her house one time and saw that she was being kept in a back yard in Los Angeles (concrete) with two large dogs. When I got her she had a URI, and it was pretty bad. She hadn't been well cared for, and I begged the girl to give her to me so I could take her to the vet. She wouldn't "give" her to me, but she did sell her to me, I took her to an emergency vet the same day, she had IVs and antibiotics, I took her for two follow up visits, blood testing, and she was deemed in good health.

She's a very happy, energetic, and healthy dog now, who shows absolutely no signs of prior neglect. She's my best buddy in the whole world, and she's flown all over the US with me (under my seat). I take her to work with me when I do have to go in, and we've been attending obedience classes just for fun, she seems to really like them :P

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie

What were the deplorable conditions she was rescued from?

I reposted her replay about her coming from someone's backyard w an infection for you.

concretegurl · 11-25-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie

What were the deplorable conditions she was rescued from?

Nooks I soooo want to answer that...

OP,
Tell your friends to get rescue...there is no reason to breed a dog whom doesn't have full AKC registration.

Are you prepared to have your female die so your friends can have puppies?

Sorry it's harsh but that's the reality of the potential risk in breeding.
Are you emotionally prepared to loose your bitch & or maybe both a litter of pups?

Are you financially prepared for the high medical cost, for your females pregnancy, a CSection, sick pups up to 4, 6, 8 sick pups?

Her toy is not a puppy, adopt a puppy from a reputable breeder who has their bitches CHIC OFA (CERF) certified, knows their pedigree, and knows how to match, care for a pregnant female & whelp pups. Someone who can afford the high cost of breeding and thus you can pick a pup that looks just like your female.
Especially someone like you who has already opened their heart to rescue, you should consider doing another Yorkie in a bad situation a loving home with you too.

pandaleigh · 11-25-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl

Nooks I soooo want to answer that...

You want to answer what type of deplorable conditions my dog came from?
I hope you're not implying in any sense that she's in deplorable conditions now. I've taken every word of advice on whether or not to breed her to heart.

Quote:

OP,
Tell your friends to get rescue...there is no reason to breed a dog whom doesn't have full AKC registration.

Are you prepared to have your female die so your friends can have puppies?

Sorry it's harsh but that's the reality of the potential risk in breeding.
Are you emotionally prepared to loose your bitch & or maybe both a litter of pups?

Are you financially prepared for the high medical cost, for your females pregnancy, a CSection, sick pups up to 4, 6, 8 sick pups?

Her toy is not a puppy, adopt a puppy from a reputable breeder who has their bitches CHIC OFA (CERF) certified, knows their pedigree, and knows how to match, care for a pregnant female & whelp pups. Someone who can afford the high cost of breeding and thus you can pick a pup that looks just like your female.
Especially someone like you who has already opened their heart to rescue, you should consider doing another Yorkie in a bad situation a loving home with you too.

I hadn't really thought about the possibility of Tashi dying during labor. I'm not sure why, I realize it is a possibility now, and it does make me question the entire thing. My mom never lost a mother in birth, then again, at the slightest sign of complications, my mom took them to the vet.

As for being financially capable of covering any complications, yes, I am. I was not in the past, which is why I never even considered breeding her.

If I were to breed her though, it wouldn't be for my friends. I think I may have not been clear on that. It would be so that I could have another dog related to her. I was just stating that the puppies I didn't keep wouldn't be sold for profit or placed in unfit homes.

DvlshAngel985 · 11-25-2011, 04:53 PM

I understand you wanting a baby from your baby. I bet you imagine she will have the same sweet disposition, the same gorgeous brown eyes, that little cute swing in her step that your current pup has. With such a nice image in your head, who wouldn't want to breed? I would! But, let's get back to reality for a second. Let's say your dog has a litter of 4. You keep one, and your 3 friends each get one. They sign agreeing, and swearing they'll neuter/spay their dogs. Time goes on...

All the puppies develop the cute features that make your baby unique. Your friends all fall in love with their dogs, and just can't bear it. They want their dog to have puppies too. Without your consent they breed, just the once. They do the same thing you did. They swear they're doing it just the one time, and just so they have one pup from their current dog. Same thing happens, and history repeats itself.

The dog you currently have is an unregistered dog. Meaning, someone with a registered dog that did not have breeding rights bred their dog just to have a puppy. The story continued and your dog came to be. I have just one question, when does the cycle stop?

Before joining YT, I would have done what you wanted to do in a heartbeat. When my dog came home, he was unaltered at 12 months. I did not have breeding rights on his registration, but there was nothing in my way if I wanted to breed him. Really, what are papers when all I want is the one cute puppy? After becoming friends with many of those that rescue on YT, I decided the cycle ended with me. Kaji was neutered on the 4th day he was home.

Just food for thought.

Oh and we lived in the OC too for a short while.

I was living in Irvine when I got Kaji. I so miss living out there.

tjdmom · 11-25-2011, 05:39 PM

Just to give you something else to think about.... The stud fee if you are able to find one, wii probably be between $500-$1000. Then vet fees for testing as well as visits for mom after the breeding and then follow up visits after the delivery, visits for the pup or puppies after they are born & for the first 2 sets of shots (at least) all of which will probably cost at least another $500. Then add in you whelping supplies - at least another $200 if you go the cheap route, Now you are at somewhere between $1200-$2000 and that is with no complications. Add in a c-section and it will probably run between $1000-$2000. I don't know your work schedule, but you should also plan to miss a week or two of work, at least and remember that it's like have a newborn, you need to be up every few hours checking on things. Since you are planning to give any additional puppies away, this means that your one puppy could cost as much as $4000+ and that is for an unregistered puppy. Breeding yorkies can be very rewarding if you go about it the right way but it's not inexpensive especially when you do it right. Personally, I would not breed an unregistered dog but you have to make your own decision. Just be sure to do plenty of research and make sure that you are well prepared....

capt_noonie · 11-25-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tjdmom

Just to give you something else to think about.... The stud fee if you are able to find one, wii probably be between $500-$1000. Then vet fees for testing as well as visits for mom after the breeding and then follow up visits after the delivery, visits for the pup or puppies after they are born & for the first 2 sets of shots (at least) all of which will probably cost at least another $500. Then add in you whelping supplies - at least another $200 if you go the cheap route, Now you are at somewhere between $1200-$2000 and that is with no complications. Add in a c-section and it will probably run between $1000-$2000. I don't know your work schedule, but you should also plan to miss a week or two of work, at least and remember that it's like have a newborn, you need to be up every few hours checking on things. Since you are planning to give any additional puppies away, this means that your one puppy could cost as much as $4000+ and that is for an unregistered puppy. Breeding yorkies can be very rewarding if you go about it the right way but it's not inexpensive especially when you do it right. Personally, I would not breed an unregistered dog but you have to make your own decision. Just be sure to do plenty of research and make sure that you are well prepared....

This puts it into perspective as far as costs. If I did things, even the right way (ie testing, etc) on an unregistered pup, and it costing me about $4000, I think I would just buy a puppy from a respected show breeder for much less than that and I would know how the pup's temperament and look would be like for the most part.

pandaleigh · 11-25-2011, 07:46 PM

Thanks guys. I appreciate your responses. I have decided not to breed her. It's not the cost that got to me so much as the thought that what I do could perpetuate, and as someone who's worked a lot with rescues, I would hate to think that something created by my beautiful little girl could eventually be a baby-making-machine. And I spent all day thinking about how much I would miss her if she weren't to survive childbirth.

When she ate chicken bones and I had to rush her to the vet I almost lost my mind. I can't imagine staring at her for 2 or so months, every day, trying to figure out if her pregnancy was ok. I could do it with my mom's Pomeranians, but like you guys said, she's -my- baby. I don't think be able to forgive myself if anything were to happen to her.

I'll probably just start looking for a baby for her to "raise" after 12 weeks or so. I'm pretty sure she would take to them as though they were her own. She loooooves kittens

Which leads me to another question (sorry >.<) Her color is kind of a bonkers color, and I'm -sure- it isnt to standard, but do you know of anyone who has/breeds pups in any way similar to her color or if theres a word for it or anything? I think she kinda looks like a little German Shepherd :P When I do buy a puppy, it'll probably be 6 months from now or so, but I might as well start researching

(she looks sad, i promise you she is just irritated with me for giving her a horn)
http://i.imgur.com/OCoYP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aImpb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CDPiY.jpg

And!! Here's her X-Ray photo in case anyone is curious what chicken bones in a tummy look like :P

http://i.imgur.com/99iR5.png

I really appreciate you talking to me about this and making me look at it sensibly. It might have turned out ok, but then again, the "what if" is a pretty huge one.

Thanks, I lurk a lot , and haven't posted much, but I really appreciate you and this forum.

Bitsy · 11-25-2011, 08:02 PM

So glad you took all the advise to heart. That is what makes this forum work...people seeking information, getting it, and then putting it to use!

I hope you have good luck finding a really good reputable breeder. I believe the saying I've heard here on YT a lot...you buy the breeder first, then the puppy.

Best wishes to you and your sweet girl!

DvlshAngel985 · 11-25-2011, 08:35 PM

She's adorable!!!! She looks a lot like my Kaji, black saddle and a few blond streaks through the face? My 3 year old boy looks like that too. I'm sure even reputable breeders get throwbacks and have darker puppies sometimes. Just be patient.

She's lucky to have you. Not everyone puts their pup before their own personal desires.

concretegurl · 11-25-2011, 08:47 PM

My BF's altered female had been altered as a pup, she was about 8 years old when I got my female puppy and she took her in like not only did she know she was a puppy but she treated her like her own pup.

We were so amazed because we okay me, I literally was scared his dog would eat my puppy...no in fact she just taught her every dirty trick and bad habit she knew!

Yes, there is also the thought even if you give the pups to great homes, who's to say even between friends differing ideals, moral won't end up with a pup you created from your dog being given to another sub-par home, going to a shelter or being used to have litters also perpetuating the problem, not to mention just taking away a great home to a rescue already in existence needing a home.

Nookie (LOL Noonie, does rescue and could probably turn you on to quite a few recourse to finding a pup if you go that route)

capt_noonie · 11-25-2011, 09:04 PM

I was *just* gonna say her coloring reminded me of Kaji (dvlshangel's pup), also one of my current fosters Smokey is still really dark too and he's 5 yrs old. sometimes they just stay dark. She is really cute, and I really like the "horn" we do that with Uni a lot too.

I am really glad that you asked for advice and did the right thing. Many times people come on here "asking" for advice, but really they were looking for support for something they had already decided to do. In the end, I really am happy that you are going to just spoil your pretty baby as a princess for the rest of her life.

Nowadays, since so many are down in this economy, a lot of families have to surrender their pups, such as Chloe and Smokey I am fostering now. There are healthy, happy, well adjusted pups in rescue right now, and even some young pups available.

gidget529 · 11-26-2011, 06:21 AM

My Gidget stayed dark also. She never quite cleared. I think it's cute.

I wish you well in finding a breeder. You might want to check the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's website for their breeder referral page. They have breeders who agree to a code of ethics listed from different states/areas. I got mine from one in my area. Of course, they never will be "show quality" but I think they are adorable.

Your little girl is very cute!

pandaleigh · 11-26-2011, 01:21 PM

Thanks everyone

I think I will try to find a breeder I adore first and then cross my fingers that she gets on off-coloured dog and wait

I'll look in my area, but I'm also fine with flying in and flying my baby back under my seat. I fly with tashi quite a bit.

I saw one of Patti's baby that I really like the colour (http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pic...ictureid=88685) and also Tazzi's color is so amazing. I'll probably just watch the forums here and see if I can't find someone I fall in love with ^_^

Thanks guys, you really are great.

pandaleigh · 11-26-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gidget529

My Gidget stayed dark also. She never quite cleared. I think it's cute.

I wish you well in finding a breeder. You might want to check the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's website for their breeder referral page. They have breeders who agree to a code of ethics listed from different states/areas. I got mine from one in my area. Of course, they never will be "show quality" but I think they are adorable.

Your little girl is very cute!

Gidget is absolutely beautiful!!

concretegurl · 11-26-2011, 01:33 PM

Careful looking at dog's for sale on YT just because a breeder sells on Yorkie Talk it by no means implies they are reputable in the least-in fact it has been discovered some pup mills are advertising on here as well.

Us the threads to get to know people and see who's actually who and the breeders of reputation they will refer you to in your area.

I refereed you to Capt. Nookie (LOL) because she's closer to you than many of the other people here.

11-25-2011, 04:53 PM	#19
DvlshAngel985 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 12,693	I understand you wanting a baby from your baby. I bet you imagine she will have the same sweet disposition, the same gorgeous brown eyes, that little cute swing in her step that your current pup has. With such a nice image in your head, who wouldn't want to breed? I would! But, let's get back to reality for a second. Let's say your dog has a litter of 4. You keep one, and your 3 friends each get one. They sign agreeing, and swearing they'll neuter/spay their dogs. Time goes on... All the puppies develop the cute features that make your baby unique. Your friends all fall in love with their dogs, and just can't bear it. They want their dog to have puppies too. Without your consent they breed, just the once. They do the same thing you did. They swear they're doing it just the one time, and just so they have one pup from their current dog. Same thing happens, and history repeats itself. The dog you currently have is an unregistered dog. Meaning, someone with a registered dog that did not have breeding rights bred their dog just to have a puppy. The story continued and your dog came to be. I have just one question, when does the cycle stop? Before joining YT, I would have done what you wanted to do in a heartbeat. When my dog came home, he was unaltered at 12 months. I did not have breeding rights on his registration, but there was nothing in my way if I wanted to breed him. Really, what are papers when all I want is the one cute puppy? After becoming friends with many of those that rescue on YT, I decided the cycle ended with me. Kaji was neutered on the 4th day he was home. Just food for thought. Oh and we lived in the OC too for a short while. I was living in Irvine when I got Kaji. I so miss living out there. __________________ Littlest JakJak We miss you Kaji Last edited by DvlshAngel985; 11-25-2011 at 04:56 PM.

11-25-2011, 08:02 PM	#23
Bitsy Ultimate Banner! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: US Posts: 6,122	So glad you took all the advise to heart. That is what makes this forum work...people seeking information, getting it, and then putting it to use! I hope you have good luck finding a really good reputable breeder. I believe the saying I've heard here on YT a lot...you buy the breeder first, then the puppy. Best wishes to you and your sweet girl! __________________ Bitsy loves Sophia and Peyton

11-25-2011, 08:35 PM	#24
DvlshAngel985 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 12,693	She's adorable!!!! She looks a lot like my Kaji, black saddle and a few blond streaks through the face? My 3 year old boy looks like that too. I'm sure even reputable breeders get throwbacks and have darker puppies sometimes. Just be patient. She's lucky to have you. Not everyone puts their pup before their own personal desires. __________________ Littlest JakJak We miss you Kaji

11-25-2011, 08:47 PM	#25
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	My BF's altered female had been altered as a pup, she was about 8 years old when I got my female puppy and she took her in like not only did she know she was a puppy but she treated her like her own pup. We were so amazed because we okay me, I literally was scared his dog would eat my puppy...no in fact she just taught her every dirty trick and bad habit she knew! Yes, there is also the thought even if you give the pups to great homes, who's to say even between friends differing ideals, moral won't end up with a pup you created from your dog being given to another sub-par home, going to a shelter or being used to have litters also perpetuating the problem, not to mention just taking away a great home to a rescue already in existence needing a home. Nookie (LOL Noonie, does rescue and could probably turn you on to quite a few recourse to finding a pup if you go that route) __________________ Shan & 8 kids now! Last edited by concretegurl; 11-25-2011 at 08:49 PM.

11-25-2011, 09:04 PM	#26
capt_noonie www.yorkierescue.com Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas & Orange County Posts: 17,408	I was just gonna say her coloring reminded me of Kaji (dvlshangel's pup), also one of my current fosters Smokey is still really dark too and he's 5 yrs old. sometimes they just stay dark. She is really cute, and I really like the "horn" we do that with Uni a lot too. I am really glad that you asked for advice and did the right thing. Many times people come on here "asking" for advice, but really they were looking for support for something they had already decided to do. In the end, I really am happy that you are going to just spoil your pretty baby as a princess for the rest of her life. Nowadays, since so many are down in this economy, a lot of families have to surrender their pups, such as Chloe and Smokey I am fostering now. There are healthy, happy, well adjusted pups in rescue right now, and even some young pups available. __________________ The T.U.B. Pack! Toto, Uni, & Bindi RIP Lord Scrappington Montgomery McLimpybottom aka El Lenguo the Handicapped Ninja 10-12-12

11-25-2011, 05:39 PM	#20
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	Just to give you something else to think about.... The stud fee if you are able to find one, wii probably be between $500-$1000. Then vet fees for testing as well as visits for mom after the breeding and then follow up visits after the delivery, visits for the pup or puppies after they are born & for the first 2 sets of shots (at least) all of which will probably cost at least another $500. Then add in you whelping supplies - at least another $200 if you go the cheap route, Now you are at somewhere between $1200-$2000 and that is with no complications. Add in a c-section and it will probably run between $1000-$2000. I don't know your work schedule, but you should also plan to miss a week or two of work, at least and remember that it's like have a newborn, you need to be up every few hours checking on things. Since you are planning to give any additional puppies away, this means that your one puppy could cost as much as $4000+ and that is for an unregistered puppy. Breeding yorkies can be very rewarding if you go about it the right way but it's not inexpensive especially when you do it right. Personally, I would not breed an unregistered dog but you have to make your own decision. Just be sure to do plenty of research and make sure that you are well prepared....

11-25-2011, 07:46 PM	#22
pandaleigh Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 171	Thanks guys. I appreciate your responses. I have decided not to breed her. It's not the cost that got to me so much as the thought that what I do could perpetuate, and as someone who's worked a lot with rescues, I would hate to think that something created by my beautiful little girl could eventually be a baby-making-machine. And I spent all day thinking about how much I would miss her if she weren't to survive childbirth. When she ate chicken bones and I had to rush her to the vet I almost lost my mind. I can't imagine staring at her for 2 or so months, every day, trying to figure out if her pregnancy was ok. I could do it with my mom's Pomeranians, but like you guys said, she's -my- baby. I don't think be able to forgive myself if anything were to happen to her. I'll probably just start looking for a baby for her to "raise" after 12 weeks or so. I'm pretty sure she would take to them as though they were her own. She loooooves kittens Which leads me to another question (sorry >.<) Her color is kind of a bonkers color, and I'm -sure- it isnt to standard, but do you know of anyone who has/breeds pups in any way similar to her color or if theres a word for it or anything? I think she kinda looks like a little German Shepherd :P When I do buy a puppy, it'll probably be 6 months from now or so, but I might as well start researching (she looks sad, i promise you she is just irritated with me for giving her a horn) http://i.imgur.com/OCoYP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aImpb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CDPiY.jpg And!! Here's her X-Ray photo in case anyone is curious what chicken bones in a tummy look like :P http://i.imgur.com/99iR5.png I really appreciate you talking to me about this and making me look at it sensibly. It might have turned out ok, but then again, the "what if" is a pretty huge one. Thanks, I lurk a lot , and haven't posted much, but I really appreciate you and this forum.

11-26-2011, 06:21 AM	#27
gidget529 Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 3,462	My Gidget stayed dark also. She never quite cleared. I think it's cute. I wish you well in finding a breeder. You might want to check the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's website for their breeder referral page. They have breeders who agree to a code of ethics listed from different states/areas. I got mine from one in my area. Of course, they never will be "show quality" but I think they are adorable. Your little girl is very cute! __________________ Mommy to Gidget, Sidney & Cricket(RIP)

11-26-2011, 01:21 PM	#28
pandaleigh Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 171	Thanks everyone I think I will try to find a breeder I adore first and then cross my fingers that she gets on off-coloured dog and wait I'll look in my area, but I'm also fine with flying in and flying my baby back under my seat. I fly with tashi quite a bit. I saw one of Patti's baby that I really like the colour (http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pic...ictureid=88685) and also Tazzi's color is so amazing. I'll probably just watch the forums here and see if I can't find someone I fall in love with ^_^ Thanks guys, you really are great.

11-26-2011, 01:33 PM	#30
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	Careful looking at dog's for sale on YT just because a breeder sells on Yorkie Talk it by no means implies they are reputable in the least-in fact it has been discovered some pup mills are advertising on here as well. Us the threads to get to know people and see who's actually who and the breeders of reputation they will refer you to in your area. I refereed you to Capt. Nookie (LOL) because she's closer to you than many of the other people here. __________________ Shan & 8 kids now!