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01-03-2006, 02:20 PM | #46 |
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| One of the breeders I know decided to let her vet decide on a section for her female it was her first litter and she just looked to big. The vet decided it was best to do a section.She had 3 puppies and lost one of them. The breeder wished she would of waited a little longer for the section cause they were very small puppies and thought she might of been able to have them natural . She took Mommy and 2 puppies home and it took 3 days to get the mommy wanting to feed the puppies , she did not know they was hers and tried to get away from them. The breeder said she had to hold the momma dog down to make her feed the babies. she felt so sorry for the mommy cause she was so confused having never had babies before, she didnt know where they came from. Not to mention how sore she was. She said shes always done ok but this time she was just so scared for the mommy cause her tummy about touched the ground. |
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01-03-2006, 02:23 PM | #47 | |
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There is some good info posted earlier about preparing a mom for a section, letting her go into labor etc. May want to pass that on to your friend for future reference. Sorry she had such a 'devil' of a time. | |
01-03-2006, 03:32 PM | #48 | |
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01-03-2006, 04:32 PM | #49 |
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| I am not a breeeder but this is all so interesting to read. I am learning so much here. I don't think multiple c-sections are any crueler than tail docking, or unnecessary s/n. Cruel is cutting a puppies tail off without anesthesia. I had one but I know woman who have had more than one. It wasn't that bad. I think that because Irene uses an excellent reproductive specialist as a part of her breeding program, that she is getting good advice and doing what is right by her females. In the case of a breeder who wasn't using the very best vet for her breeding program, I would say that multiple c-sections may not be in the best interests of the female. I know that there are a lot of ordinary general practice vets who do not know what they are doing with yorkies on a day to day basis much less a brood bitch. If I were a breeder, I would only use a vet who was a "specialist" in breeding or at the very least one who had a ton of experience with yorkies and yorkie breeders. There is too much risk with breeding yorkies not to use a reproductive specialist if one is close to you or, if there isn't close, then, MOVE closer to one, don't breed OR find a vet with lots of breeders as clients. I don't think cost should be a factor when making these decisions. JMHO. |
01-03-2006, 04:57 PM | #50 |
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| thoughts... Cutting into the uterus really is drastically different then clamping a tail. No blood, no infection...and you can numb the tail if you perfer..so it is painless. A C-section can save a life and take a life..tail docking is so far down on the list of "trouble makers"..but I do understand people being opposed to it. One thing for sure..once you cut the tail off, the dog will never have to go through it again...and I have known breeders who do 5 and 6 sections before spaying. |
01-03-2006, 05:12 PM | #51 | |
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01-03-2006, 05:39 PM | #52 | |
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I wasn't really comparing a c-section to tail docking but more the use of the word "cruel" in each situation. Tail docking w/o anesthesia is very very painful and these are tiny innocent babies so , in my mind, it is cruel. C-sectioning is done under anesthesia so I don't consider it as "cruel" necessarily but I could see where the discomfort afterward as well as it being done repeatedly could become cruel. | |
01-03-2006, 06:19 PM | #53 | |
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There are very few Reproductive Specialist most are located at veterinary colleges(only 27 in the United States) and very few clinics thoughout the US have them. http://www.whelpwise.com/testing/vet...ian-links.html Insinuating a breeder should not breed unless they exclusively use one is utterly ridiculous...furthermore stating MOVE next door to one is laughable! There are two to be exact in the state or Oregon and one in the state of Washington and 64 throughout the United States! I refer an incoming bitch owner to the specialist for STD's before I will allow an outside breeding and have used the clinic's lab (via my vet) here twice for progesterine level testing period! I know Yorkierose stated previously she has never had the need to use one and most breeders will tell you the same thing, a "theriogenologist" services are rarely needed, think about, thus the reason for having very few!
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01-03-2006, 06:27 PM | #54 | |
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He gives seminars on repro at shows and now has a DVD. | |
01-03-2006, 06:39 PM | #55 |
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| That's cute and I agree...I don't claim to be normal either...whatever that is... I certainly respect your opinion. I just know that I wouldn't feel my breeding program was the best it possibly could be unless I had one on my team. JMHO Breeding yorkies is not easy.....there are a lot of problems, you have to be willing to risk the life of your female to do it, and I don't think suggesting that someone should consider moving close to one before taking on the hobby of breeding yorkies is so ridiculous or laughable. It just happens to be that I have a lower level of risk that I am willing to take than some. Last edited by SoCalyorkiLvr; 01-03-2006 at 06:41 PM. |
01-03-2006, 06:44 PM | #56 | |
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BTW...Yorkierini, I am not challenging your practice...I believe you and any other breeder alike needs to make these type of decisions for themselves and are the only true judges of what is right in each situation. | |
01-03-2006, 07:05 PM | #57 |
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| All I can say is thanks for all this information, gives me tons to think about..Hopefully my girls will never need a c-section, but I'm happy I have some great information to think about!!
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01-03-2006, 07:05 PM | #58 |
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| specialist Time for me to ask a dumb question...what exactly does a reproduction specialist do? Maybe I need one and am too stupid to know it. I can not think of any friends who use them in Md. |
01-03-2006, 07:09 PM | #59 | |
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I totally agree with you, but as we know there are very few reproductive specialist in the US.. My husband is in the AirForce, so I cannot just pick-up and move.. But I do totally understand what you are saying.. I have a wonderful vet and trust him unconditionally.. I believe that a good ethical breeder always makes sure her dogs rather breeders or not are given the best of care possible rather a specialist or not.. Melanie | |
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