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Old 12-18-2005, 09:50 PM   #1
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I was just reading a thread on breeder talk. I've also spoke in the past to other people concerning this that do this too and I went elsewhere...Do any of you agree or disagree with buying a pup from a breeder who didn't actually "raise" the puppy. I'm not referring to getting a pup back for stud fee and then placing it with someone...not at all because I too have done that. I am talking about in general with entire litters. I would not want a puppy from someone who did not know it inside and out and had watched and observed it's behaviour as it grew and developed. Just my opinion and I was wondering what some of you may think?
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I bought my first pup from an individual who home-raised & socialized the puppies. She only had the dam & sire, both indoor pets.

I bought my second pup, three months later, from a breeder who had an outdoor kennel set-up. Full heat/air facility, with about 10 females & 3 males. She never brought her pups in her home, so Angel was not "socialized & home-raised", as Gracie was, but I have to say that now, at 10/11 months old, my girls are equally healthy, equally sweet, equally mannered. I see no difference in MY two.

Now, I'm sure there are horror stories out there, and mine may be the exception to the rule, but if I were to purchase another pup, I would go to either one of these breeders again.

Just my experience. One of many, I know.
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Me PERSONALLY, I would rather buy a pup from someone who has been around it enough to socialize it, observe it well, etc. Again, just my preferance.
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JMO, I think it depends. Like Elizabeth (eensor) rescued those puppies from that awful breeder then watched them grow and sold them. yes, I'd probably buy if it was something like that. If a breeder just got a pup from wherever and was selling it I probably wouldn't. Just because you don't know for sure certain things about the parents like how much they weigh and such.
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I wouldnt buy a pup from someone who kept them in an outdoor kennel.
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Robbie, I think I know which thread you're talking about and maybe those that have responded don't know exactly what you're asking (If I'm wrong, I apologize). I do not agree with people that buy whole litters and then sell them (Elizabeth excluded on this since it was a rescue). Seems to me that when I read that thread, the first thing that popped through my mind was a broker. I do NOT know the whole circumstance so I'm going out on a limb here. Again, if I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm just calling it like I see it.
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Oh that is probably because of my post. I was responding to Anglebabys post I should have quoted her sorry
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I am not a breeder... but read all the time about breeding practices and inhale anything I can about breeding.... buying a whole litter and reselling them says BROKER....Unless, it's for a friend ...or with extenuating circumstances...a breeder is doing a favor for someone

But if they are buying the litter for the sole purpose of re-selling - then it says broker to me and that is ONLY my opinion.
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I am not a breeder... but read all the time about breeding practices and inhale anything I can about breeding.... buying a whole litter and reselling them says BROKER....Unless, it's for a friend ...or with extenuating circumstances...a breeder is doing a favor for someone

But if they are buying the litter for the sole purpose of re-selling - then it says broker to me and that is ONLY my opinion.

Nope this is my opinion also!
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Robbie, I think I know which thread you're talking about and maybe those that have responded don't know exactly what you're asking (If I'm wrong, I apologize). I do not agree with people that buy whole litters and then sell them (Elizabeth excluded on this since it was a rescue). Seems to me that when I read that thread, the first thing that popped through my mind was a broker. I do NOT know the whole circumstance so I'm going out on a limb here. Again, if I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm just calling it like I see it.
yes, i was talking about that. not a kennel raised litter.
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I would never (ok, never say never but you know what I mean) want to buy another kennel raised dog again.

Even after the pups are born from outside kennels and brought into the house for the "so called socialization process", I've still only seen "inside kennel puppies still".

Now, I am NOT saying this is what ALL breeders do, thank goodness. I am only saying this from my own two personal experiences. I didnt feel there was enough time spent on the individual pups to "really socialize" them.

I want to be able to TRUST the breeder who knows all the traits of their puppies. Which one is outgoing and lively, which one is shy, dominant, lazy, etc. With the breeder knowing all about their babies, I feel they can best place the adoptee to the Yorkie pup.
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I think it depends on the circumstances in which the pup is being sold.. There are times I purchase pups to bring into my program for breeding or show and they do not work out for one reason or another, but my yorkies also live in my home and would NEVER live in a kennel environment!! But if you are referring to someone purchasing a WHOLE litter of pups and reselling them, that is WRONG! I would not purchase a pup from them! People like that are brokers and as far as I am concerned UNREPUTABLE!

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I am talking about two different things here, but the same as far as the breeder actually "knowing" every little thing about the puppies. #1- puppies bought by brokers, not ness raised in a kennel. Could have been hand raised by a breeder then the breeder sold their entire litter to someone else to re-sale. I THINK THIS IS VERY WRONG.
#2- Breeders who sale pups that other's care for and handle all of the aspects of raising them. Then returned to the breeder to sale. I'm sure someone would have to be compensated in a situation like that too, and should be, but I just don't go for that either. No matter how busy you are. The puppies should come first to you personally IMO.

Ok, here's where I'm coming from because sometimes its hard to understand what is typed...
Let's say I was a very good breeder of labs. I also showed my labs and had many other things going on in my life. My lab mommy has a litter that I allow someone else to raise for me. I in return sale my puppies, receive the money for them and take the credit. The buyer of my puppy calls me prior to picking up their puppy and ask me how this puppy is doing , or maybe they email me with these questions...What do I tell this person in all honesty? I cannot possibly tell them that little so and so opened his eyes at 11 am this morning or tried to produce his first little bark and it sounded so cute. Being that I probably never heard his first little bark. My point of this was that I would not buy a puppy if it was not with the breeder atleast 5 days out of 7 every week of its life until i picked it up, or for a good part of each day. I know people have to work during the week, but they can also raise a healthy litter and be there with their pups on a daily basis and really know their pups on an individual level and have a job. When I was a legal sec until four yrs ago, I raised a couple litters and held down my full time job. It was tough and my hat goes off to anyone who does it. But every morning and evening I was with my puppies, taking in every little thing they were doing.

Some may or may not agree with this. This is what I was wanting input on. Not puppies raised in a kennel environment by their breeder, I'm totally against that no matter who you are. But not really being raised by their breeder at all. I'm not saying that there are possibly really great breeders who have done this for reasons of their own and pups were well cared for. But to the average puppy buyer, do you think this is what they would want? I think there are 2 kinds of breeders when it comes to the emotional aspect of it: I think there are one's who dote all day long over their babies and all night constantly checking, documenting every new little thing that happens for their future owners and are just really "into" what they are doing. And I think there are breeders who keep the dogs best interest at hand, provide good care for the puppies they sale, but are just all business.

There's always been a debate over the fact that raising puppies is or is not a business.
I'm sorry, but in reality it is. The way someone handles their business is very important to me. The amount of care put into it has a huge influence on if I will respect and look up to any paticular breeder.

Just my feelings.
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just think...some kennels have awesome reputations that other people have built.
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I would preffere a puppy raised in the home and about 5 months old. They will be on their way to being potty trained and you will know more about what they will look like at full grown.I raise mine inside and paper train or house break them if they stay around long enough.They are always crate trained when they go to their new home.
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