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SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-09-2005, 08:25 AM

Kimberley~ You did everything correctly and quickly and you saved Gracie's life as a result! You should be very proud today and I am so glad you have such a wonderful and understanding boss!!

artierae · 12-09-2005, 08:29 AM

Kimberley,

So sorry to hear about Gracie's eclampsia. But I am GLAD you have such a wonderful vet who would meet you and take care of her! What an angel he is! And what a great boss to let you have the day off to be with Gracie! You are truly blessed! Oh, and I shouldn't forget the great husband who was observant enough to notice Gracie's problem and bring it to your attention. I know a lot of people who wouldn't even pay attention, and wouldn't recognize that there was a problem.

to all!

And as if you needed to be told.....give Gracie lots of hugs!!!

red98vett · 12-09-2005, 08:30 AM

I agree Kimberly - We're all praying Gracie feels better.....how is she doing now ?

txshopper73 · 12-09-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I agree Kimberly - We're all praying Gracie feels better.....how is she doing now ?

she's her same old bubbly self. Sweet as can be.

Snow Yorkies · 12-09-2005, 08:38 AM

I have experience this with one of my mini pins when I was breeding them. It is very scary...

I had to give her additional injections and to supplemental feedings for 12 hours as her little body caught up from the demand from the puppies (she had four) I am a firm believer of calcuim supplements 1 week before delivery and while they are nursing. I know there is a lot of controversy on this subject, but this practice works for me and my girls and will continue doing it....

YorkieRose · 12-09-2005, 08:43 AM

I have had it twice in my girls..Pinkie 1 and then Peach. Both had litters after and did not get it again...but I supplimented the pups with extra feedings.
Peaches temp was 107 when she had it..the vet put her in cold water when we got there...the look they get on their faces is beyond panic..the month is pulled back and they are panting for air..a very tight grimace.
They can not stand, they fall over..then the vet gives an injection of calcuim and suddenly it is like it never happened.

Of all the things that can go wrong in breeding dogs..esclampsia is the worst experience for the breeder IMO and the simplest to correct for the dog. By the time they get home from the vet they are back to normal and the breeder needs medical care. If I had a bad heart I could not do this...

txshopper73 · 12-09-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I have had it twice in my girls..Pinkie 1 and then Peach. Both had litters after and did not get it again...but I supplimented the pups with extra feedings.
Peaches temp was 107 when she had it..the vet put her in cold water when we got there...the look they get on their faces is beyond panic..the month is pulled back and they are panting for air..a very tight grimace.
They can not stand, they fall over..then the vet gives an injection of calcuim and suddenly it is like it never happened.

Of all the things that can go wrong in breeding dogs..esclampsia is the worst experience for the breeder IMO and the simplest to correct for the dog. By the time they get home from the vet they are back to normal and the breeder needs medical care. If I had a bad heart I could not do this...

Thank you, Pat for your expertise. Whether I breed her in the future or not is still very much in the air. This was a frightening experience for me...and IMO, worse than having to have a c-section done.

What you posted just goes to show that nothing with these dogs is written in stone. Just when you think you've got everything down, they do something to make a liar out of those "experts" that write this stuff.

shelbysmom · 12-09-2005, 09:01 AM

Wow, this thread title scared me. So relieved to hear "our" little Gracie is okay. I got choked up reading this and all I could think was how lucky she is to have you and your husband to care for her. I don't know anything about breeding but it sounds like this can happen to anyone.

Hugs to you and Gracie.

yorkiemom1970 · 12-09-2005, 09:19 AM

oh gosh, that is scary. i had one girl with eclampsia in the past. it is soooo scary. i give a calcium supp after whelp ever since... (tums) glad she's ok now.

minniemn · 12-09-2005, 09:58 AM

I don't usually read here, since I am not a "breeder".. but glad I checked in here today.

I am sorry that this happened to you both, thank goodness your husband noticed something was wrong.. and your quick acting saved her life.

I am sure she is so comforted by having you there by her side... good luck, and keep us posted with her progress.

sylvan · 12-09-2005, 11:07 AM

I'ts awful when they scare us, I'm glad she's okay. You did just right in hollering for help when you weren't sure about something funny going on. 'Meeting' other experienced people that you can lean on is one of the best things about yt.

txshopper73 · 12-09-2005, 12:39 PM

This was e-mailed to my by a friend that has experienced eclampsia before with litters. I thought it was important enough to pass on...

Eclampsia is not so very common, most breeders have never experienced it and I thank god for that. When you see the effects of eclampsia, it renders the mom helpless with body tremors, panting and the inability to stand. Further effect are the loss of bodily functions and throwing up causing dehydration.

The pups take every bit of her milk (no matter the litter size although more common in large litters than not), once mothers milk is gone the bitches body says, "time to take it from the bones, we need to feed the kids". Once the bitches body begins depleating the bone source eclampsia sets in. Eclampsia is 100% recoverable if you recognize the signs and act immediately. The vet simply will either administer a calcium inject or an IV with calcium and glucose. Within minutes there is a full recovery. You can place the bitch back in with the pups and control her feeding after about 6 - 12 hours of the calcium injection. Your best bet is to keep mom wrapped so she can continue to preen the pups and give warmth and comfort only allowing her to feed 3 - 4 times a day (no more) you pick up the slack by bottle feeding. She should also be given 1/2 calcium (tums) in the morning and again at night every day through weaning. It is also very wise to wean as early as possible, so the bitch can recover more quickly.

The unfortunate outcome is that if a bitch experiences eclampsia they're more than likely going to repeat it in the next breeding if you don't suppliment the feedings at least 1/2 the time from birth. Supplimenting along with the bitches controlled feeding will more than likely ward of the cause and effect of eclampsia.

YorkieRose · 12-09-2005, 01:26 PM

Kimberley..we can never learn it all...I find just when I think I have got it right, someone goes and changes the rules..and sometimes they don't tell me they changed the rules!! LOL

I told my husband that a mommie was doing just the opposite of what I read in a book...he said. "" I guess she didn't read that chapter"...

Candace_Chang · 12-09-2005, 01:58 PM

oh my gosh....im glad she's fine now!! Thanks to the doctor... i didn't realize how important calcium is untit after reading this...
hope all is well

red98vett · 12-09-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Candace_Chang

oh my gosh....im glad she's fine now!! Thanks to the doctor... i didn't realize how important calcium is untit after reading this...
hope all is well

I agree - I think I should tell my neighbors - Their little Ray Ray just had puppies (not a yorkie) is this something that can happen to ALL Breeds ?

12-09-2005, 08:29 AM	#32
artierae Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 916	What a scare! Kimberley, So sorry to hear about Gracie's eclampsia. But I am GLAD you have such a wonderful vet who would meet you and take care of her! What an angel he is! And what a great boss to let you have the day off to be with Gracie! You are truly blessed! Oh, and I shouldn't forget the great husband who was observant enough to notice Gracie's problem and bring it to your attention. I know a lot of people who wouldn't even pay attention, and wouldn't recognize that there was a problem. to all! And as if you needed to be told.....give Gracie lots of hugs!!!

12-09-2005, 08:30 AM	#33
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I agree Kimberly - We're all praying Gracie feels better.....how is she doing now ? __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-09-2005, 08:38 AM	#35
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,684	I have experience this with one of my mini pins when I was breeding them. It is very scary... I had to give her additional injections and to supplemental feedings for 12 hours as her little body caught up from the demand from the puppies (she had four) I am a firm believer of calcuim supplements 1 week before delivery and while they are nursing. I know there is a lot of controversy on this subject, but this practice works for me and my girls and will continue doing it.... __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BAPPC

12-09-2005, 08:43 AM	#36
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Eclampsia I have had it twice in my girls..Pinkie 1 and then Peach. Both had litters after and did not get it again...but I supplimented the pups with extra feedings. Peaches temp was 107 when she had it..the vet put her in cold water when we got there...the look they get on their faces is beyond panic..the month is pulled back and they are panting for air..a very tight grimace. They can not stand, they fall over..then the vet gives an injection of calcuim and suddenly it is like it never happened. Of all the things that can go wrong in breeding dogs..esclampsia is the worst experience for the breeder IMO and the simplest to correct for the dog. By the time they get home from the vet they are back to normal and the breeder needs medical care. If I had a bad heart I could not do this...

12-09-2005, 12:39 PM	#42
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	This was e-mailed to my by a friend that has experienced eclampsia before with litters. I thought it was important enough to pass on... Eclampsia is not so very common, most breeders have never experienced it and I thank god for that. When you see the effects of eclampsia, it renders the mom helpless with body tremors, panting and the inability to stand. Further effect are the loss of bodily functions and throwing up causing dehydration. The pups take every bit of her milk (no matter the litter size although more common in large litters than not), once mothers milk is gone the bitches body says, "time to take it from the bones, we need to feed the kids". Once the bitches body begins depleating the bone source eclampsia sets in. Eclampsia is 100% recoverable if you recognize the signs and act immediately. The vet simply will either administer a calcium inject or an IV with calcium and glucose. Within minutes there is a full recovery. You can place the bitch back in with the pups and control her feeding after about 6 - 12 hours of the calcium injection. Your best bet is to keep mom wrapped so she can continue to preen the pups and give warmth and comfort only allowing her to feed 3 - 4 times a day (no more) you pick up the slack by bottle feeding. She should also be given 1/2 calcium (tums) in the morning and again at night every day through weaning. It is also very wise to wean as early as possible, so the bitch can recover more quickly. The unfortunate outcome is that if a bitch experiences eclampsia they're more than likely going to repeat it in the next breeding if you don't suppliment the feedings at least 1/2 the time from birth. Supplimenting along with the bitches controlled feeding will more than likely ward of the cause and effect of eclampsia. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

12-09-2005, 08:25 AM	#31
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Kimberley~ You did everything correctly and quickly and you saved Gracie's life as a result! You should be very proud today and I am so glad you have such a wonderful and understanding boss!!

12-09-2005, 09:01 AM	#38
shelbysmom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,394	Wow, this thread title scared me. So relieved to hear "our" little Gracie is okay. I got choked up reading this and all I could think was how lucky she is to have you and your husband to care for her. I don't know anything about breeding but it sounds like this can happen to anyone. Hugs to you and Gracie.

12-09-2005, 09:19 AM	#39
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	oh gosh, that is scary. i had one girl with eclampsia in the past. it is soooo scary. i give a calcium supp after whelp ever since... (tums) glad she's ok now.

12-09-2005, 09:58 AM	#40
minniemn YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 364	I don't usually read here, since I am not a "breeder".. but glad I checked in here today. I am sorry that this happened to you both, thank goodness your husband noticed something was wrong.. and your quick acting saved her life. I am sure she is so comforted by having you there by her side... good luck, and keep us posted with her progress.

12-09-2005, 11:07 AM	#41
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	I'ts awful when they scare us, I'm glad she's okay. You did just right in hollering for help when you weren't sure about something funny going on. 'Meeting' other experienced people that you can lean on is one of the best things about yt.

12-09-2005, 01:26 PM	#43
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Kimberley Kimberley..we can never learn it all...I find just when I think I have got it right, someone goes and changes the rules..and sometimes they don't tell me they changed the rules!! LOL I told my husband that a mommie was doing just the opposite of what I read in a book...he said. "" I guess she didn't read that chapter"...

12-09-2005, 01:58 PM	#44
Candace_Chang Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 187	im glad they are fine.. oh my gosh....im glad she's fine now!! Thanks to the doctor... i didn't realize how important calcium is untit after reading this... hope all is well