I have Ethel Munday's book The Popular Yorkshire Terrier written in the 50's. According to the jacket of my book in telling who Ethel Munday was in Britain it states “ an International Championship show judge and Secretary of the Yorkshire Terrier Club (Great Britain) and was a successful ‘Yorkie’ breeder and exhibitor.”
Chapter 2 talks about the parent club The Yorkshire Terrier Club founded in 1874. That would have been in Great Britain. First page talks about the standard points and breakdown on how to judge the merit of a dog, coat, coat colour etc.
Then she states the original points were approved at the Annual General Meeting of the Yorkshire Terrier Club on Oct 16th 1946.
A Breed Standard was then adopted by the Committee of the Kennel Club in January 1950 and in that breed standard is
“ Colour. A dark Steel-blue (not silver blue), extending from the occiput (or back of skull) to the root of tail, and on no account mingled with fawn, bronze, or dark hairs. The hair on the chest a rich bright tan. All tan hair should be darker at the roots than in themiddle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.”
As I recall without going to the site and looking it up, our own YTCA was founded in 1952, breed standard being held by the YTCA.
At the end of the standard adopted by the Yorkshire Terrier Club in Britain in 1950, she outlines in this book she states
"In compiling this standard, the aim was to supply a word picture of an ideal dog. Anyone who aspires to success either as a breeder, exhibitor, or judge would do well to study this standard and devote serious thought to it. "
I kinda chuckled when she went on to say "If considered intelligently, it should conjure up a mental picture of a Yorkshire Terrier of the correct type, but since it becomes increasingly evident that a number of breeders either never refer to the standard, or, if they do, fail to grasp the significance of it, it would seem desireable to examine this description (meaning the breed standard as adopted in 1950) to clarify any doubt."
We are talking about more than 125 years since the parent club of the Yorkshire Terrier was first established which would have been after decades of introducing the different combinations of breeds into the YOrkie to what they produced at that time that threw true in the mating of Yorkie to Yorkie to produce Yorkie and indeed to what we have today. If you want to know more about that Joan Gordon wrote a History of the Yorkshire Terrier and how it was developed on the YTCA.org website.
I find it very humbling that a legacy such as the years of work, thought, and selections to have our noble breed the Yorkshire Terrier, to set the standard over 100 years ago is something I don't think we have earned any right to mess with. We do have an obligation to uphold and protect our breed, educate those who don't 'get it' and not just in Yorkshire Terriers but the purpose of the breed standards for all purebred dogs.
Colour which was strived for by the founders of the breed as outlined in the breed standard has been bred for, strived for, and upheld for over a century by Yorkshire Terrier breeder fanciers.
In summation, of anyone wanting to breed Yorkshire Terriers is to uphold our breed in what it is supposed to look like per the breed standard handed to us on a silver platter so long ago.

I agree with you 100%.. I loooove those beautiful Yorkies, I would never in a million years want to do anything to destroy them. If I could I would have beautiful traditional colored yorkies right alongside my "off colored" yorkies.. I love them all. I do not have the room nor the time needed to devote to everything I love so I have to focus and do the best job I can with what I already started.

We are not out to harm the Traditional Colored Yorkie..BUT.. there has got to be room for the off colored yorkie in this world.. If we could call them something else we would do it, but we can't because we are yorkies.. there is no way of getting around it and we are just not going to go away. So...what is it that can be done?

What productive thing can be accomplished? We get no where by calling us names.. we are not bad people and I really think most of you know that.. I understand your frustration.. really..

How can we move on? Where can we meet in the middle? What's the answer? There has to be a creative solution.. I know it's there somewhere..

-Diana :animal-pa

I'd rather hope she did because it was simply the "right thing" to do.

she did.....read....:)

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-Diana :animal-pa

I read it.
The last sentence and :( caused me to think otherwise as it sounded had it been believed Tammy didn't want to learn and do the right thing...your words...the help wouldn't have been extended.

My interpretation and perhaps not your intent.

What the heck was this thread originally about? Lol....

Thank Goodness we have "moved on" from the original intent of this post!

Who's on first??? Lol

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If you (snow blue yorkies) are not intent to hurt anyone then please explain why you sent me ths hateful message on my FaceBook page after I unfriended you?
Snow Blue Yorkies
You know Connie I was on your friends list, I cried when your baby died. I related so much to your pain and I stood by you. Now because i have a parti yorkie you suddenly unfriend me. How wrong is that?? Its Sad how you treat people just because of the color of yorkie they raise.. So sad to be so prejudice!!!!!!!! I feel your heart will never be full again because you have so much hate in your heart. Don't bother responding, you have a closed mind and nothing I say will help so enjoy your bubble.

I have never spoken to you on FaceBook or ever....I don't even know your name, other than your kennel name....you were unfriended because I do not care for your breeding practices...I am sure you have healthy puppies....but my personal likes and dislikes are my personal business.....and I was doing what we all do at times ... I was cleaning out my friends lists...If in fact you did say something to me after Isabella's death, as did at least 1,000 others...I am forever grateful to all.....as for hate in my heart.....I hardly think so...I just can't understand why you would write something liek this someone you do not even know?

i didn't call anyone names. If you truly have the best interest of the Yorkie in mind and want to truly strive to breed towards the breed standard, you would be spay/neutering all your wrong colours and starting all over again. That would certainly uphold the legacy of the Yorkshire Terrier to the Yorkshire Terrier fanciers from those that made the commitment to bring the breed into the purebred world and have them recognized as purebreds along with their breed standard describing what they are supposed to be.
The creative solution is to LEARN what show dogs, purebreds are about and the whys and wherefores of breed standards regardless of the breed you are talking about.

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We will just have to disagree I guess.. my hope is that I'll see you in the showring someday.. I'll be easy to spot.. I'll have the tri colored yorkie. :)

-Diana :animal-pa

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Whoa! I misses this.
I don't REAlly know SBY and personally I don't really like chocolates, but her breeding of Partis speaks for itself.
Besidea color anyone have an issue with her dogs conformity?
She is the best IMHO I love her adherence to no white on the face

Some YTCA members don't do the half she does actually. Let alone traditiinal AKC breeders.

I'm sorry what was the point of this thread to announce her breeding or to start drama and trash talking.

I'm so disapoonted YTers went here again...

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I seriously love you

Sometimes I get confused thinking I'm on YTCA Talk and not on Yorkie Talk...back to bed, what a nightmare.

She was trying to sell puppies on one of the Breeder Exhibitor pages on FB. She got kicked off.

An argument on FB is probably best left on FB and not drug over to YT. You have no first hand knowledge of this breeders practices other than she breeds non-standard colors. The last time I checked YT doesn't discriminate against non-standard yorkies.

I have to ask seriously what was the point of this thread again?? I really dont get it.

I think it is productive thread, really educating. I love to hear all sides of a topic. It helps me to understand where each of my YT friends is "coming from" and why they believe what they believe. The knowledge and explanations on all sides is so indepth and very enlightening. As some one who doesn't have a vested interest or a particular standing on this topic I've been able to decipher why each side is as passionate about their belief as they are, there are definitely two schools of thought on the topic. Both sides are very well versed and put forth a good argument as such.

I wouldn't dare criticize or pick one school of thought over the other as it is "out of my league", so to speak. What I have garnered is that we definitely have some very dedicated YT'ers who are very dedicated to their particular beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that, because while each of them feel this way none of them truly FAULT the other on a personal level; rather, they offer us very good perspectives to enable to decipher where our own opinions on this topic lay. It is always good to have more than one view to choose from in any topic/subject. Just as a democrat and a republican have a right to choose their affiliation. Just my analogy!

That is what I, personally take from this thread!

At the end of the day, I respect and validate each person who contributed their views, because they didn't have to.

Yes, I do still work with rescue and most likely always will. My experience thus far with rescue is that partis, Biewers nor chocolate yorkies are typically found in rescue situations. I find far more byb and puppymill yorkies dumped in shelters and surrendered than any other type yorkie. So I don't really understand how the good breeding of partis/Biewers will result in more yorkie rescues? I don't think it's a valid argument.

I don't understand why it is so hard for you to believe there may be parti/Biewer breeders that are not breeding for "public demand" but because they love the coloration of their yorkies and would like to continue their lines. Just as there are a few breeders of traditional color yorkies that along with breeding for themselves, don't breed primarily for the selling of puppies. Most of the show breeders I'm aware of, breed far more dogs then they'll ever take into the ring. Do we really need that many show yorkies to "better the breed"?

I understand change is tough and not easily accepted. Where in this world would we be though, as a society if we did not at least consider the idea of change, even if it makes us uncomfortable?

I hate to say it, but it will all change in time.

The popularity of yorkies has been the breed's downfall......if the popularity of the Biewer's or Parti's increased and they were in the top 10 on the AKC list, you would see more of them in shelters. Oh, and of course their prices would go down and there would definitely be more and more being sold. It has happened with many breeds...I remember after the Disney Dalmation movie..omg the shelters and rescues were overwhelmed.

I find all of it disturbing....the many countless pups of all breeds that are euthanized daily. :( Hard to wrap my mind around it...and doubly hard to watch people breed and sell them to just anyone with a buck in their pocket and not worry about what happens to them later. Everyone says they do it out of the love for whatever breed or color it is...no one ever admits the real reason which imho is either ego or money or both. I am sure that some really DO breed for the love of the breed the are breeding, but I would not honestly know HOW to tell who was telling the truth. I have seen things happen to pups and have known where they came from and just sat with my mouth agape. I won't get into jumping on anyone, because sadly more people are doing the wrong thing imo than anyone really realizes. I only care to rescue those who have gotten the short end of the stick. Sadly, we will never be able to save them all...the numbers are just sickening and far too many people have their heads somewhere other than their shoulders.

I agree with everything you posted, LJ. However, just bc we agree that most shouldn't be breeding doesn't make it right for others to say one person is more deserving to breed than another, if the only difference is color(with the exception of blue born yorkies) in what they're producing?

I prefer to stay out of that debate. I have enough controversy in my life....haha!

Jen, I was simply asking who she was. I remember the kennel name but did not remember her name. No harm in that. Sometimes people are reading post wrong. I will in fact stand my ground with people not breeding to the standard. This is what I said, Does anyone remember Snow Blue Yorkies. Remember her name? Just got on her site and she is now selling Chocolate Yorkies and Biewers.:)

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My knees were literally shaking the other day when I was at the Vet...I arrived early and the waiting room was packed...of course folks started chatting amongst themselves and before long ethical breeders vs unethical breeders vs rescue conversation was going on...I was, because of YT able to participate rather well:D

One quiet person with a very, very, tiny baby asked where I got Mini I told her, then I asked her and she said the SPCA. I thought hmmmm cuz I check the site everyday and never saw a Yorkie puppy, I was concerned that there was preferential adoptions going on type of thought!!! Her husband came in sat down and she was called to the counter to fill out new patient paperwork...another newbie to the waiting room asked the husband where he got the puppy...I almost fell off my chair when I heard the name of the breeder....I KNOW THIS BREEDER, AS DO MANY OF YOU. The wife obviously lied to me after hearing the conversation that was going on...This woman was well known to the practice and was very obviously more concerned about the cost than the care of the pup...you know what I mean...everyone was sitting there like omg why does she even have a pup...anyway...I can assure you that had the breeder contacted the vet, the vet would not have endorsed this family for an adoption....apparently they keep getting the worst puppies and always have to get rid of them...my vet owns one of her discarded pups...I wonder if the breeder who shipped her half way across the country even knows OR CARES.