Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3950027)

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone over the color statement, that was never my intent. Just was trying to make a point. Look at the title of this thread.... I am so sick of people making threads about me and continually blasting me for having Parti colored yorkies. I am not the only person that has parti and choc yorkies. Do a search on the internet, they are plenty, why always attack me?? They are AKC registered. They are Yorkies.....My yorkies are very well cared for, they are very healthy. I have a contract with buyers I stand behind on them for life... What more can you ask for? Because they are a different color? Geeesh How sad!

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3949563)

Alright I've seen these types of threads over and over and over again. The lines are drawn.

It seems that the contention is based on the premise; that if you don't breed to the standard for color set by the YTCA, then you are NOT Reputable as a Breeder.

Those that do breed the non standard color Yorkies; say don't make Blanket statements about me, based on "color" selection alone.

As we all know there are many purebreds with different acceptable colors being shown in the rings, eg; poodles, bouviers, et al. At some point each one of the breed clubs eventually allowed a different color for their breed. I wonder how that came to be? Could it be those purebred fanciers that fell in love with a certain color, and despite scorn and ridicule continued on to pursue their passion, prove the health of the color, and finally after years got the breed club to approve this color for the ring?

Not every color is automatically paired with a genetic health problem. Yes the merles and some other "whites" do.

If I believed passionately in a certain "color" for the Yorkshire Terrier, and I went above and beyond to safeguard the health,structure and temperament when breeding for the color I want; if I had a meaningful health guarantee, if I stood behind my puppy purchasers for the lifetime of my dog; if I volunteered at my local dog club, if I funded and supported research into the genetic illnesses of our beloved breed, if I trained and championed my dogs in the venues that permitted me to. How then could you reasonably say I am Not a Reputable Breeder?????? Highly insulting to me.

For heaven sakes folks; just say without any heat, parti colored, goldens, browns, etc are not approved colors for the show ring. You can even say the YTCA, does not support the deliberate breeding of "off standard" color. Nor does the YTCA condone selling practices that mislead the public, by charging more for the "rare" colors.

Allow these folks to have the passion of their beliefs, respect their dedication to an ideal that is different to yours.

There are many more serious concerns with the YT, namely all the bybers, puppy mill churner outers, that don't breed for health, temperament, or structure, nevermind color!

Originally Posted by msyorktown (Post 3950079)

I was one of the ones you offended as I am black. I can see you being upset with people for jumping on you for have parti coloured yorkies....but there was no need to use African Americans/Canadians in your analogy. I'm fairly new here and never expected too see this....I am a true lover of the parti/biewer and am actively seeking one to add to my two. I honestly don't understand why the big controversy(sp) over this issue. We need to agree to disagree without attacks on another persons view point. I will quote the Jamaicans "We are of many one people"

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3950151)

Again I apologize, was not meant to be the way it was taken. Yes, we are of many people as it should be, and we are of many yorkies as it should be without all the harassing. Love one another even if you don't agree with them.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3949891)

:eek: and may he rest in peace...but, isn't it just like a man to leave so much unsaid???

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3950198)

This is Hilarious!!! and YES.. this man did leave us all in a Pickle for sure.. would love to have been able to sit down for a chat with him! He may have been able to clear up a few things for us.. some of which I'm afraid we may never know.

I do so appreciate the way this thread has turned.. I hope these "discussions" can continue, peoples feelings can be expressed, ideas can be shared and maybe even minds can be opened to different possiblities. My dream is that somehow.. someday.. something can be worked out that everyone can live with.

-Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3949891)

...but, isn't it just like a man to leave so much unsaid???

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3950027)

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone over the color statement, that was never my intent. Just was trying to make a point. Look at the title of this thread.... I am so sick of people making threads about me and continually blasting me for having Parti colored yorkies. I am not the only person that has parti and choc yorkies. Do a search on the internet, they are plenty, why always attack me?? They are AKC registered. They are Yorkies.....My yorkies are very well cared for, they are very healthy. I have a contract with buyers I stand behind on them for life... What more can you ask for? Because they are a different color? Geeesh How sad!

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3950985)

Why is it so hard for some to accept that there are some of us that love the tri color yorkie (Biewer or parti) and that there are a few good breeders that love them also. It is possible these same breeders are capable of breeding a healthy tri color yorkie, and not just for profit but out of love. Just as it's possible for the breeders of traditional color yorkies to breed only for profit or for love also. You have to consider the individual breeder and not place them all in the same category.

Lissette, everything you post regarding YTCA/ethical breeding I've heard before and I used to believe it too. It's not that I don't believe some of it now, but my opinion has changed. I no longer see things so steel blue and tan (black and white), but in shades of steel blue, black, tan and white (gray). :cool:

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies (Post 3951706)

With all the hoopla about breeding to standard, all one has to do is take a look around at the Show Ring The German Shepherd can hardly walk now, looks like frog legs, So over-angulated that young dogs and pups have to walk on their hocks, that is just not pleasing to watch anymore. The Pekingese that won Westminster could barely walk, where is that dogs free movement? His tongue was hanging out after he walked just a few steps. I honestly thought it was painful to watch him struggle just to walk. The basset hound is suppose to be capable of long endurance, have reach and be fluid. They are so fat they can barely make it around the ring. Some of the dogs noses have been bred so short they can barely breath. So many of the show dogs that follow their standard have become so exaggerated that it has become detrimental to the health,welfare and soundness of the breed. I could go on and on about some of the breeds. So don't tell me about standards, I know them very well. I would rather have a healthy happy dog with a wrong color coat than one with many health, structure and temperament problems. I am sure most of the pet people feel the same way.
I breed for Health first, then structure, the color is just an added bonus of which I am fond of. I have a very high standard for my yorkies.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3951751)

eiyieyieyie...do you realize that you just did exactly the same thing in your post that you are accusing Standard Yorkie breeders of ? Your insinuations are far more reaching...you covered many breeds there...health, color etc., its the same argument...your criticizing and critiqing them...the only difference is they are recognized by akc and yours are not....how do you expect to make headway in this arena if you do this?

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3951751)

eiyieyieyie...do you realize that you just did exactly the same thing in your post that you are accusing Standard Yorkie breeders of ? Your insinuations are far more reaching...you covered many breeds there...health, color etc., its the same argument...your criticizing and critiqing them...the only difference is they are recognized by akc and yours are not....how do you expect to make headway in this arena if you do this?

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3952010)

These Yorkies (chocolate, parti, gold....the "off colors") are recognized by AKC if they came from 2 parents registered with AKC. You might be talking about YTCA. This is a group of people that have come up with what they feel the standard should be. Maybe this is what you were thinking of.

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3952010)

These Yorkies (chocolate, parti, gold....the "off colors") are recognized by AKC if they came from 2 parents registered with AKC. You might be talking about YTCA. This is a group of people that have come up with what they feel the standard should be. Maybe this is what you were thinking of.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3952104)

I would not describe any National breed club as one that just "came up" with what they feel the standard should be.

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3952530)

This is an example of how things get taken and twisted and cause problems. I didn't write anything with intention and yet, I get corrected. I was simply trying to quickly explain to someone what the difference was between AKC and YTCA.

Originally Posted by BiewerYorkie (Post 3951627)

Snow Blue Yorkies....don't take this all to heart. This is easy to say and hard to do I know. But some people delight in conflict and making others feel bad. Best to just ignore any further posts and let this BAD thread die.....

Louise

BTW, I would LOVE one of your healthy CHOCOLATE YORKIES! It's like some people saying my Biewer if or is not a separate breed. Regardless of WHAT Zachary is, he is my little parti colored Yorkie boy and I wouldn't give him up for the most perfect looking conformation wise Yorkie out there. Your dogs are GORGEOUS. :):):):):)

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 3952010)

These Yorkies (chocolate, parti, gold....the "off colors") are recognized by AKC if they came from 2 parents registered with AKC. You might be talking about YTCA. This is a group of people that have come up with what they feel the standard should be. Maybe this is what you were thinking of.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3952104)

I would not describe any National breed club as one that just "came up" with what they feel the standard should be. They are the guardians of a legacy that has been handed down to them.
I am not intimately familiar with historically how the AKC recognizes new breeds, afterall the YT has been a recognized breed for many many years. But here in Canada, you need to go through a whole process(one that I am intimately familiar with), to get a new breed recognized. And first you are in the Misc Class, and the STANDARD for the Breed is the approved Standard of the country of origin. I dare say it must be similar in the US. So actually not what a group of US folks came up with.

It is both a privilege and a huge responsibility to change a standard. And no club that I know of, does it willy/nilly. Good sound reasons, proven over time, with appropriate and valid documentation/research etc, needs to be understood and presented to the membership for voting on.

Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 3952639)

Louise, this is not a bad thread BUT filled with lots of EDUCATION. Chocolate Yorkies are NOT the STANDARD, BUT CHANGING OUR BREED. Do you not get that.....PARTIS AND GOLDEN INCLUDED. I heard that one of your friends is now has up to 20 dogs and is BREEDING, GOLDENS, CHOCOLATES AND PARTIS. HMMMM WONDER WHO....

Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 3952639)

Louise, this is not a bad thread BUT filled with lots of EDUCATION. Chocolate Yorkies are NOT the STANDARD, BUT CHANGING OUR BREED. Do you not get that.....PARTIS AND GOLDEN INCLUDED. I heard that one of your friends is now has up to 20 dogs and is BREEDING, GOLDENS, CHOCOLATES AND PARTIS. HMMMM WONDER WHO....

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3952652)

I've never understood this line of reasoning. Just how does that fact that these color variations occur, does it change the breed? What is changed? As long as there are yorkie purists there will be traditional color yorkies. Has the introduction of other colors in other breeds changed those breeds significantly, even the public's perception of what the breed should appear to be?

I don't even care if non-traditional color yorkies are ever allowed in the show ring, as I don't think it's absolutely necessary to show dogs, to be a good breeder. I've seen far too many show dogs bred that should have never been, just as I have non-show dogs.

Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 3952648)

Tammy, AKC means nothing....Puppy Mills, PetSTORES and fly by nights can get an AKC Registration. You need to move beyond that. I thought you where heading in the right direction when Mardeline had to help you whelp your puppies over the phone, REMEMBER? She stayed with you!! Because you brought life into this world. We thought you really wanted to learn and do the RIGHT THING for the BREED.....:(