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red98vett · 12-02-2005, 07:29 AM

Actually no it isn't NORMAL for a standard size yorkie to have a C-Section.... but it IS too common for a Tiny to have one -

I'm not an expert ...but too many people can tell you that a normal standard size yorkie should not require a C section unless there is a major problem

Diego · 12-02-2005, 07:30 AM

One of my very stupid neighbor just lost his tiny girl . He came knocking at my door during the night but it was too late .He waited too long before calling for help . The results were : He lost mother and babies .
I was always telling him that Precious was too small to be bred but no way , he listened to the advise of one of his friend that have a tiny male .

red98vett · 12-02-2005, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Diego

One of my very stupid neighbor just lost his tiny girl . He came knocking at my door during the night but it was too late .He waited too long before calling for help . The results were : He lost mother and babies .
I was always telling him that Precious was too small to be bred but no way , he listened to the advise of one of his friend that have a tiny male .

and you just know that poor mommy suffered terribly during that whole ordeal. I hope your neighbor learned a HUGE lesson and never ever does something like that again - AND tells all his friends.

This just needs to be stated over and over - Do NOT breed tiny undersize Yorkies !!!

I just want to cry thinking of what these poor moms go thru so some HUMAN CAN HAVE AN EXTRA SMALL DOG

red98vett · 12-02-2005, 07:43 AM

I would love to see this thread moved into the breeding section where ALL the Breeders TO BE can see it before it gets lost in this section....

livingdustmops · 12-02-2005, 07:44 AM

I second this!

Sherry Lynn · 12-02-2005, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red98vett

Actually no it isn't NORMAL for a standard size yorkie to have a C-Section.... but it IS too common for a Tiny to have one -

I'm not an expert ...but too many people can tell you that a normal standard size yorkie should not require a C section unless there is a major problem

I'm FAR from being an expert, but common sense dictates...

I usually don't post on these threads because I'm not a breeder nor do I pretend to be, but this just breaks my heart. I can't even fathom my little 4lb Widget pregnant.

I applaud you you for having the courage to post this as I'm sure you will take the heat for it. I pray that your post will cause others to 'get it' and understand the pain you and Peanut have gone through.

Diego · 12-02-2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

and you just know that poor mommy suffered terribly during that whole ordeal. I hope your neighbor learned a HUGE lesson and never ever does something like that again - AND tells all his friends.

This just needs to be stated over and over - Do NOT breed tiny undersize Yorkies !!!

I just want to cry thinking of what these poor moms go thru so some HUMAN CAN HAVE AN EXTRA SMALL DOG

I really hope for him that this one put somethings right in his nut's head .

cheryl000 · 12-02-2005, 08:01 AM

First of all, I just wanted to say that it takes a brave person to admit when they were wrong. I can't imagine how heartwrenching it must have been to see her go through being stiched up, the poor thing just wouldn't understand. I have a hard time hearing Brandy cry just when she gets a shot. I'm glad she made it through. Give her lots of kisses and thank god she's still there for you. You are doing the right thing getting her sprayed. Some people just make their dog go through c-section after c-section. Very unnatural.

I was the one who started the poll because a person on here who has all 6 of her breeding yorkies under 5 lbs, the latest was a 31/4 being breed to a 3 lb. male. I believe it is wrong under all circumstances, no matter now much of an expert a person thinks they are. These females have to carry around so much extra weight, over half of their initial weight. Could anyone imagine doubling your weight when you're pregnant?

I'm glad they're all doing so much better this morning. I'm so glad you shared your story. With the way the poll ended I was a little worried about novice breeders trying to breed tinies. It really needs to be stressed, no breeding puppies under 5 lbs!

txshopper73 · 12-02-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GurleyGirl

Glad to hear that your little girl is OK. Congrats on the puppies.

Breeding ANY SIZE female can be risky. What happened to your little one can happen to a 5-7 pound female yorkie also. Big puppies, one large puppy or a stuck puppy can cause problems (c-section). Every birth is different.
This was the first year that all my puppies in every litter survived. Up until now one out of just about every litter died.... (stuck... too small... etc)....and my girls are 5 pounds and above. I have never had to have a c-section on my girls..... but that time may come eventually....

Best of luck with you new little ones!

You're right...there is risk for every pregnancy. There is very seldom a perfect whelping. But, how many standard yorkies verses tiny yorkies have had to have a c-section? I think you will find that the tinies will have more c-sections than a standard by comparison.

simonandhallie · 12-02-2005, 08:08 AM

I am so glad you and the babies (and mama) are healthy! I commend you for sharing your story, you have a very important message!

Can we please not start a debate, and make this thread about awareness for new breeders and members.

red98vett · 12-02-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by simonandhallie

I am so glad you and the babies (and mama) are healthy! I commend you for sharing your story, you have a very important message!

Can we please not start a debate, and make this thread about awareness for new breeders and members.

I AGREE....& thank you ....you made a good point

This IS a great awareness thread for anyone considering breeding their small females.

luvdorkyyorkies · 12-02-2005, 08:17 AM

Its well worth taking a bit of heat to me to let others know how its most likely going to turn out or worse.
The male I bred to is so small but it just plainly doesnt matter. It doesnt make a bit of difference. Their lil bodies just are not meant to have babies.
I feel pretty embarassed and guilty but its much worse to not share how not listening to documented history can go. Its not a very intelligent decision. Anything you go thru is absolutely in no comparison to the little dogs experience.

Yorkieluv · 12-02-2005, 08:22 AM

Thanks so much for sharing your story with us...Peanut must have gone through the most terrible experiences of her life...I'm sorry that you had to learn the hard way. Hopefully it will keep others away from breeding these tinies. Maybe people will think twice about doing this to their babies. Tinies should NOT be bred...By the way, I'm glad that you shared this with us and I hope that the mommy and the babies get better and I'm sorry that you lost the 3rd little girl...

rrosenberry · 12-02-2005, 08:28 AM

What a great REALITY story, for anyone that is thinking of or would consider breeding a small female.. thanks for your truth and honesty. I hope if makes a difference for someone out there, that is considering it,,or someone that will do it and never stops to think of the risks..
Glad momma and the 2 babys are doing better.
Out of your trauma.. if you teach one person, that's all you can hope for.

newyorkiemommy · 12-02-2005, 08:30 AM

I am terribly sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your story. I do have a question though-what size was the male that she was bred to? Does this make a difference? Both of my Yorkies are tinies-3 lbs or so with the male being smaller than the female. Can these two have puppies together or would it be wiser to spay her and stud him out? We don't want the money from the puppies-only wanted to let her have 1 litter and keep them ourselves

12-02-2005, 07:29 AM	#16
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Actually no it isn't NORMAL for a standard size yorkie to have a C-Section.... but it IS too common for a Tiny to have one - I'm not an expert ...but too many people can tell you that a normal standard size yorkie should not require a C section unless there is a major problem __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-02-2005, 07:43 AM	#19
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I would love to see this thread moved into the breeding section where ALL the Breeders TO BE can see it before it gets lost in this section.... __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-02-2005, 07:44 AM	#20
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I second this! __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-02-2005, 08:01 AM	#23
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	puppy First of all, I just wanted to say that it takes a brave person to admit when they were wrong. I can't imagine how heartwrenching it must have been to see her go through being stiched up, the poor thing just wouldn't understand. I have a hard time hearing Brandy cry just when she gets a shot. I'm glad she made it through. Give her lots of kisses and thank god she's still there for you. You are doing the right thing getting her sprayed. Some people just make their dog go through c-section after c-section. Very unnatural. I was the one who started the poll because a person on here who has all 6 of her breeding yorkies under 5 lbs, the latest was a 31/4 being breed to a 3 lb. male. I believe it is wrong under all circumstances, no matter now much of an expert a person thinks they are. These females have to carry around so much extra weight, over half of their initial weight. Could anyone imagine doubling your weight when you're pregnant? I'm glad they're all doing so much better this morning. I'm so glad you shared your story. With the way the poll ended I was a little worried about novice breeders trying to breed tinies. It really needs to be stressed, no breeding puppies under 5 lbs!

12-02-2005, 08:28 AM	#29
rrosenberry & Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,164	What a great REALITY story, for anyone that is thinking of or would consider breeding a small female.. thanks for your truth and honesty. I hope if makes a difference for someone out there, that is considering it,,or someone that will do it and never stops to think of the risks.. Glad momma and the 2 babys are doing better. Out of your trauma.. if you teach one person, that's all you can hope for. __________________ Rhonda, Bailey, Josie and my angel Bella Rue' "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France~

12-02-2005, 07:30 AM	#17
Diego Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,617	One of my very stupid neighbor just lost his tiny girl . He came knocking at my door during the night but it was too late .He waited too long before calling for help . The results were : He lost mother and babies . I was always telling him that Precious was too small to be bred but no way , he listened to the advise of one of his friend that have a tiny male .

12-02-2005, 08:08 AM	#25
simonandhallie *I Love My Monkeys!* Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Falling Waters, WV Posts: 11,166	I am so glad you and the babies (and mama) are healthy! I commend you for sharing your story, you have a very important message! Can we please not start a debate, and make this thread about awareness for new breeders and members.

12-02-2005, 08:17 AM	#27
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	Its well worth taking a bit of heat to me to let others know how its most likely going to turn out or worse. The male I bred to is so small but it just plainly doesnt matter. It doesnt make a bit of difference. Their lil bodies just are not meant to have babies. I feel pretty embarassed and guilty but its much worse to not share how not listening to documented history can go. Its not a very intelligent decision. Anything you go thru is absolutely in no comparison to the little dogs experience.

12-02-2005, 08:22 AM	#28
Yorkieluv Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7,178	Thanks so much for sharing your story with us...Peanut must have gone through the most terrible experiences of her life...I'm sorry that you had to learn the hard way. Hopefully it will keep others away from breeding these tinies. Maybe people will think twice about doing this to their babies. Tinies should NOT be bred...By the way, I'm glad that you shared this with us and I hope that the mommy and the babies get better and I'm sorry that you lost the 3rd little girl...

12-02-2005, 08:30 AM	#30
newyorkiemommy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 50	I am terribly sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your story. I do have a question though-what size was the male that she was bred to? Does this make a difference? Both of my Yorkies are tinies-3 lbs or so with the male being smaller than the female. Can these two have puppies together or would it be wiser to spay her and stud him out? We don't want the money from the puppies-only wanted to let her have 1 litter and keep them ourselves __________________ Heather Poli , Lindsay , & Peanut