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Old 05-14-2011, 07:30 PM   #16
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mine had babys an they didok but from the start she recieved excellent vet care an i watched her every move i would not have done this on purpose at all babydoll is doing great but never again
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:42 PM   #17
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Yes she will probably be pregnant . Now you have to be prepared for what is involved in breeding your girl. Get intouch with your vet and do a lot of reading and if you know an experience breeder in yorkies have them mentor you as much as possible. some vets offer whelping services. it will be expensive but very well worth it to save your girl in case of an emergency, which do happen especially for her first litter at 5. wishing you a safe whelp.
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:24 PM   #18
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Well Pets are just that Pets. Pets are not bred, they are meant to be loving companions to the families that adopt them.

If you are a breeder of any purebred dog, (and you are, given you have had one litter and orchestrated another breeding), then it behooves you to learn and educate yourself about the basic principles of breeding. If you had you would have realized even one "incomplete" tie could result in your female being pregnant.

It is NOT recommended for almost any breed of dog, to breed a five yr old female for their first time at this age. Complication risk is much higher due to a number of factors; inelasticity of the pelvic foramen, age of the ova = increased risk of faulty or flawed ova; increased risk of "c" section and it's resultant risk of complications of health to the dam, lack of milk, lack of interest in the mom to nurse, etc, etc.

You speak of nothing around the breed specific tests you have done on your breeding pair.

Are you willing to financially care for these potential pups over their lifetime? Should LS, LP, Leggs Perthe, and the many other health concerns of Yorkies rear their ugly head?

So personally I care for the well-being of not only your female, but her pups have the best chance for a healthy and happy life.

You all have much knowledge about the breed, and your advice is appreciated, no one said I was "mad" at what I was hearing. Also this isnt my first time to breed, its my first time having a possibly pregnant 5 year old female. I have bred a yorkie before and it wasnt for money, or because I had no heart, it was because I loved my dogs personality and traits, so I wanted to have another one of her in the family, which was well accopmlished. People breed for different reason(which Im sure you know) they dont just breed for a show dog, Im breeding to keep a part of my dog that I have had for so long. I want to keep the bloodline in the family. My other yorkie I bred was spayed as soon as she could get spayed after her litter. I have not left the forum, I will be on here quit often for advice. Also all is well so far with her(as per the vet) She is very healthy and he has little concern for her. As for people talking about finances..thats a personal topic, I wouldnt be breeding if I did not have the finances, and costs associated with different problems I am well aware of, and can cover..I am not a dog owner that does not offer the proper veternarian care to my dogs. My yorkie goes to the vet every two months( sh has pet insurance through banfield its great!) Any more ADVICE is welcom, not ignorant criticism.
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It's not ignorant criticism. Most of the time people who come and ask such a basic question don't know anything about breeding. People responded giving a vast overview of what comes with breeding. It really is more than just getting a male and female together for funsies.

It seems as though you have missed the point. A breeder is a breeder wether they bred the dog for themselves or whether they bred to improve the breed. In all honesty, you bred your dog for selfish reasons. I too have a pet who is cute as a button. I love his look, and his laid back personality. However, that doesn't give me the right to add to the pet overpopulation. He has health problems, and is also an extremely fearful dog. He has his crazy moments where fear takes over and he's no fun.

If you wanted a dog just like her, return to the breeder if they are reputable and acquire a sibling or relative.
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In all honesty your missing the point, I bred my dog for selfish reasons? How dare you, I did not breed for selfish reasons. I cant beleive you would say that, like I said ignorance at its best, you prove my point. And as for pet overpopulation? I make sure my puppies have a home before they are born. SO before you open your ignorant mouth, THINK! Get a life, I know your probably over 30 and old, but don't just push your political views on everyone, please spare me the heartache. ANy one else who isnt a dumass and isnt going to BASH me are welcome to give me advice. I can afford all the cost I will aquire, so please I know where the concern is coming from but I get the whole "cost" I will keep you updated with vet visits and pictures.
Try not to get upset and burn your bridges...there are a lot of good breeders here that could help you should you need it. There are also a lot of zealous people here (for lack of a better word) that often go above and beyond just answering the basic question which in turn offends people and the result is what you've seen here. People do breed for different reasons and like other things in life sometimes people don't agree with reasons for things that are different from their own...and with most things the truth generally lies somewhere in the middle.
The best you can do is wait until your actual question gets answered and pick up some tips you might not have thought of from some of the others.
My first litter I thought I had thoroughly prepared and studied, studied, studied...got a mentor and a 'helper' and I when it was all said and done I realized how little I really knew. Now we're having our second litter and I learn new little things all the time from others, from this site, etc. -- it's an on-going process.
Maybe you hadn't heard that 5 yrs was not a recommended age for a first p.g. - but it's done and that's a good tip to know for the future.
Remember like others that don't agree with you, you don't have to agree with them, just take away the things that will help you, in your situation, not theirs. And also try to understand their stations in life, where their line of thinking (that is different from your own) comes from. Some of those here have spent a lot of in shelters and have seen the results of neglected dogs and it's so ingrained in their minds and hearts that it's probably hard for them to see past that. I truly admire those that help in rescue work and shelters, saving abused and neglected dogs...I'm probably too sensitive and it's something that would haunt me so much I don't think I could do it.
I think what people here have reiterated many a time is the importance of responsibility to the pups they bring into the world. I had my pups checked, doubled checked by not one vet but two and confirmed by both that they were healthy salable pups. If they had not had been I would have kept them or found someone willing to take them knowing any deficiencies they might have. Same goes for this upcoming litter. I am fully confident due to both the dam and sire's history that these pups will be as excellent as the last but with every litter from any breeder something unexpected could crop up - thus I am prepared to be totally responsible for them. I also have the people who bought (and will buy) my pups agree to return them to me at any point if they no longer can or are unwilling to care for them. I am willing to return their money if returned within the first few months, that's for the sake of the puppies, not in my interest.
So I think it's that sort of thing people want to be known: the importance of not breeding willy-nilly and wanting those who do choose to breed (for whatever reason) that the responsibility goes long past the sale...quite a commitment.
Good luck...keep asking questions with an open mind - for the good of your dog and her pups.
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Your female was way too old to breed and if you had done the appropriate research before breeding you would have known that
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My concern would not be what you can or cannot afford ~ it's good that you can afford Vet care.

But a knowledgeable breeder would NOT be breeding a five year old female for the first time.

There can be no good reason for doing so. To me, this is what I think of when I think 'backyard breeder'. You want to breed - not for any of the right reasons - and you have no idea what you are doing or how to go about it.

However, what's done is done and I wish your girl the best and your puppies as well.
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Try not to get upset and burn your bridges...there are a lot of good breeders here that could help you should you need it. There are also a lot of zealous people here (for lack of a better word) that often go above and beyond just answering the basic question which in turn offends people and the result is what you've seen here. People do breed for different reasons and like other things in life sometimes people don't agree with reasons for things that are different from their own...and with most things the truth generally lies somewhere in the middle.
The best you can do is wait until your actual question gets answered and pick up some tips you might not have thought of from some of the others.
My first litter I thought I had thoroughly prepared and studied, studied, studied...got a mentor and a 'helper' and I when it was all said and done I realized how little I really knew. Now we're having our second litter and I learn new little things all the time from others, from this site, etc. -- it's an on-going process.
Maybe you hadn't heard that 5 yrs was not a recommended age for a first p.g. - but it's done and that's a good tip to know for the future.
Remember like others that don't agree with you, you don't have to agree with them, just take away the things that will help you, in your situation, not theirs. And also try to understand their stations in life, where their line of thinking (that is different from your own) comes from. Some of those here have spent a lot of in shelters and have seen the results of neglected dogs and it's so ingrained in their minds and hearts that it's probably hard for them to see past that. I truly admire those that help in rescue work and shelters, saving abused and neglected dogs...I'm probably too sensitive and it's something that would haunt me so much I don't think I could do it.
I think what people here have reiterated many a time is the importance of responsibility to the pups they bring into the world. I had my pups checked, doubled checked by not one vet but two and confirmed by both that they were healthy salable pups. If they had not had been I would have kept them or found someone willing to take them knowing any deficiencies they might have. Same goes for this upcoming litter. I am fully confident due to both the dam and sire's history that these pups will be as excellent as the last but with every litter from any breeder something unexpected could crop up - thus I am prepared to be totally responsible for them. I also have the people who bought (and will buy) my pups agree to return them to me at any point if they no longer can or are unwilling to care for them. I am willing to return their money if returned within the first few months, that's for the sake of the puppies, not in my interest.
So I think it's that sort of thing people want to be known: the importance of not breeding willy-nilly and wanting those who do choose to breed (for whatever reason) that the responsibility goes long past the sale...quite a commitment.
Good luck...keep asking questions with an open mind - for the good of your dog and her pups.
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" Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do, and what is right to do"
Wish some people would learn the difference.
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Yup...said better than I could have
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