Originally Posted by margaritaville (Post 3450434)

Thank you so much for the update. I hope all goes well with her treatment and they are considering get her spayed ASAP.

Originally Posted by Wabbit (Post 3450485)

I'm so relieved to hear that Baily is doing well!!

And have to add that it is a shame that someone would use this forum to send hate mail or threatening messages!!! I hope "IF" that is indeed true that admin can find them and BAN them from YT!
They have NO place in this forum!:mad:

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3450398)

I got an update from KAS and her mother.. Bailey is doing well. It was confirmed to be a false pregnancy by the second vet yesterday afternoon .. she has Lyme’s disease and is being treated with pain medications and 28 days of antibiotics. She was up last night and able to eat and walk.. still feeling a bit weak but doing much better. She is getting good care by her owner and her parents and they are on top of the situation.

Thank you all for your help and concern, it was appreciated.

Diana :animal-pa

Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3450534)

Again Thank You for the update. You are Wonderful for helping out as you did. The world needs more people like YOU in it.:)

Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3450529)

Amen to this. It is a shame that some think that Threatening & Bullying will help anyone in any way.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3450581)

I think it's important to note that we do NOT know this to be fact so, you really shouldn't post it as if it was...just saying!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Wabbit (Post 3450485)

I'm so relieved to hear that Baily is doing well!!

And have to add that it is a shame that someone would use this forum to send hate mail or threatening messages!!! I hope "IF" that is indeed true that admin can find them and BAN them from YT!
They have NO place in this forum!:mad:

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3450603)

Wow -- what a roller coaster of emotion! So glad it turned out well and Bailey is getting treatment for the Lymes! Looks like examples of "how to" and "how not to" respond to uncertain medical threads.

Huge kudos to Mardelin and Woogieman who continued giving generously of their time, experience and knowledge just in case the dog might have been in labor. Your constant patience and devotion to the dogs themselves is always amazing. You set examples for the rest of us to emulate! I would send kudos to GWB for contacting the family direct and getting the straight story, except she also took a jab at the breeders who were doing their best to help this girl with that "club & credentials" thing. Using what looked to be an emergency thread to further a dog politico agenda is not the best example to show our young member, jmho though.

It sounded like the 13 year old may have been just seeing what info she could dig up online while mom was in contact with the vet and actally on top of the dog's situation. Mom and vet may not have even thought labor was a serious possibility for all we know. I remember back in 4H days though -- it was nothing for a 13 year old to birth & raise a calf, so it might have been the daughter most involved, but I tend to think mom probably was handling things and daughter was thinking of ways she could help, (i.e internet). Still the folks who gave advice and urged her to take the pup to the vet are to be applauded regardless. Always better safe than sorry.

I was a little surprised to read some thought nothing hateful, mean, threatening or inappropriate had been said. REALLY???? Are we allowed profanity? Even when made into creative acronyms or cute symbols replacing letters, it still means the same. But I could be wrong. I guess it is allowed. I also thought personal attacks and insults were not allowed, but I might be wrong about that too, since all of the following quotes were allowed to remain, even though we now know they were directed at a 13 yr old????

[COLOR="DarkRed"]"YT should BAN this member forever for the reason of animal cruelty at best!""What the H@@@@ is wrong with you. ... Good grief I don't understand immature people like you. "

"Your (OP) flippant attitude is offensive!!!"

"And WTF you would feel the same way? Then take your butt off to the vet."

"This person is sick, too bad a little yorkie has to suffer because of her."[/COLOR]

IDK they seem like personal attacks and insults to me but maybe I have the wrong idea???? I have been known to before, have the wrong impression, that is. I left off who said what, because that is not really what is important here. More important to see if this really is acceptable here.

I also agree that if the young girl and her family received hate mail and threats as Greenwood Biewer said, those should be forwarded to admin who I hope would deal with the members concerned. I think we all agree on that (well ... except for the person who may have done it!) That is pretty low down and immature -- not to mention against the law if threats were really made. All in all, I guess the young member was shown two very different sides of YT! But that is the way of the world. I still ♥ YT, even when we show our rough edges. :)

Hope KAS comes back, lets us know more about her pup's progress and continues to learn. There is such a wealth of information here and she seems to be in a learning mode.

Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3450585)

You are correct, However the fact that the OP has not come back & someone else is doing the updating leads me to believe that it is true and is why she hasn't come back because she is afraid. As the person updating for her has said.

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3449568)

Ok, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one.

First, if anyone from here did send a threatening message, it would have had to have been through the PM system here (the poster doesn't list an email on her profile). If that's the case, the messages need to be forwarded to admin and those people dealt with appropriately. I have a seriously hard time believing that anyone who participated in this thread would send a message like that (I do have my suspicions about who would, though...)

The second thing I'm having a hard time with is that the posting times are during normal school hours on both days. Unless she's home-schooled, it doesn't make sense.

I'm sorry, but my bs meter is still tingling.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3450617)

I will proudly own that one...;)

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450622)

After these 'updates', mine is going off, too.

As to the threatening messages, no one has been suspended or banned, as far as I can tell. If the OP was so upset, why not just report the PMs and Admin. would have taken care of it.

What really does it for me is that the first vet didn't think she was pregnant and 'believed' it was Lyme disease. First off, false pregnancies don't have contractions associated with them. Secondly, if KAS thought she was in labor, she would have been far enough along, had there been a pregnancy, for any vet to feel a pup and wouldn't have to guess.

And how could the symptoms of a dog showing signs of labor to the OP be the symptoms of Lyme disease to a vet? Labor symptoms and Lyme disease symptoms are not even close in the way they present themselves. And why 'believe' she had Lyme disease. Why not just do a simple blood test and find out? Did the first vet not have needles, either?

And it's still a mystery why Bailey responded positively to calcium supplements, given that she has Lyme disease....but good of the OP to just happen to have them on hand.

Having said this, I hope 'Bailey' is feeling much better today.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3450637)

Woogie -- I think you make a LOT of salient points! I need to stop being so gullible especially when I KNOW things are not making clear sense. But GWBiewers SAID she spoke to these people.........

Why???? is the question that comes to my mind.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450646)

It took me a while to digest what's happened.....now that I have, I'm genuinely pissed off!!

And what do we do when the next 'newbie' comes along with 'problems'? I know for me there's a limit to how far I'll stick my neck out for someone's entertainment.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450646)

It took me a while to digest what's happened.....now that I have, I'm genuinely pissed off!!

And what do we do when the next 'newbie' comes along with 'problems'? I know for me there's a limit to how far I'll stick my neck out for someone's entertainment.

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3450651)

Here, here...I say we form that club immediately!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Bitsy (Post 3450656)

I'm suspicious about the authenticity of this entire thread. If I am wrong, then please accept my apology.

What are the issues that get people riled up here? Irresponsible breeding, not seeking proper vet care, and seemingly flippant attitudes. You have it all right here in one thread from a new member. Seems like the exact recipe to brew up some trouble. The point? Sadly, I think it is just to be able to say, look how awful they are.

I don't blame breeders for not wanting to post and offer help publicly. Who wants to be set up like that?

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3450634)

I know some things were said by some that were innappropriatewhat is not seen now are the level of emothions at that time. However the people commenting now were not here when we were trying desperately to help this Op and praying a breeder would come on. They werent here when we were begging her to get Bailey to a vet before it was too late. They werent here when we were worrying. I dont think threats should be made but I know I cant control what someone may do. It was also insinuated the the breeders on here were responsible for degrading posts and making threats. I really doubt they go out of their way to help again as it was said your damned if you do your damned if you dont. I think this thread should die because now it just seems people are disecting the thread

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450646)

It took me a while to digest what's happened.....now that I have, I'm genuinely pissed off!!

And what do we do when the next 'newbie' comes along with 'problems'? I know for me there's a limit to how far I'll stick my neck out for someone's entertainment.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3450668)

I know you want the thread to die but I thought I would at least answer your post..... Nothing inappropriate was said until AFTER both Mardelin and Woogieman had already started posting helpful, informative posts to her so I don't think things were said out of frustration of no breeders helping yet, or even while praying a breeder showed up. In fact Mardelin was one of the first to respond to her (see post #9). So I am not sure what you mean.

I don't think anyone would take an insinuation seriouslythat the 2 helpful breeders made "degrading posts or threats." I did not see where anyone said that, but maybe I missed it or maybe it was said "off forum." Mardelin and Woogieman are both held in higher regard than anyone thinking they would do that. Mary made the "damed if you do and damed if you don't" statement before anything went awry here, It is an ongoing reality for them! I see people complain if they don't answer a cry for help within minutes, like they stay attached to the computer 24/7! Then some complain when they offer help, saying mean things and accusing them of thinking they know it all or "are the end-all" -- even when they are just trying to get a pup in front of a vet! But I know Mary loves the breed and animals in general too much to not offer to help when she can. She just rises above it all and thinks of the pup knowing she may get bashed for her efforts. I think Woogieman is made of that same sort of cloth!
Good talking with you Chachi -- I like how you always try to direct help to those in need.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450659)

What shall we call it? You name it and I'm there..:D

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3450689)

Woogie's Don't P:aimeeyorkSS Me Off Club...how's that?:D

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3450622)

After these 'updates', mine is going off, too.

As to the threatening messages, no one has been suspended or banned, as far as I can tell. If the OP was so upset, why not just report the PMs and Admin. would have taken care of it.

What really does it for me is that the first vet didn't think she was pregnant and 'believed' it was Lyme disease. First off, false pregnancies don't have contractions associated with them. Secondly, if KAS thought she was in labor, she would have been far enough along, had there been a pregnancy, for any vet to feel a pup and wouldn't have to guess.

And how could the symptoms of a dog showing signs of labor to the OP be the symptoms of Lyme disease to a vet? Labor symptoms and Lyme disease symptoms are not even close in the way they present themselves. And why 'believe' she had Lyme disease. Why not just do a simple blood test and find out? Did the first vet not have needles, either?

And it's still a mystery why Bailey responded positively to calcium supplements, given that she has Lyme disease....but good of the OP to just happen to have them on hand.

Having said this, I hope 'Bailey' is feeling much better today.