Yorkie weight and breeding.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That is the problem, when just in the "thinking about it stage" one does not always know what questions to ask or how to word them.

When I decided to go to college at the age of 34, I went to the administration desk and told them I wanted to go to college. The lady asked me what questions I had. I told her that I didn't even know what questions to ask.

I needed someone to go through it from the very first step. They did not tell me that if Iwas that ignorant that I had no business even thinking about college. They sat down with me and explained every thing. Throughout the meeting, questions came to mind. But when I walked through those doors, I honestly did know even know where to begin.

Therefore: A good response would have been that it is sometimes OK to breed one that is slightly larger but you would have to know more about the dog's history to determine that. And then explaining where she needed to start, and what questions needed to be answered.

Interrogating a person or immediatly telling them that they should not be breeding is not going to get a response of "Oh, OK, I won't breed".

If they want to breed, they are going to breed. Wouldn't it be better that they get good information, from knowledgable breeders, rather than leaving them to get it from just anyone

Making derrogatory comments about non show beeders is only going start an argument and send the OP running for their life.

She was told that several times by different people in different words.

As for "derogatory" statements about non show breeders, the closest thing I saw was this before the swinging at show breeders started:

Originally Posted by TLC http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
There are a lot of "things" that make a [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]dog [COLOR=green ! important]breed[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] worthy and not breed worthy. One of the most important is health. The Yorkie breed has alot of genetic defects that keep being bred over and over by people wanting to make a fast buck, or think their little girl or boy is the cutest ever and want them to have [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]puppies[/COLOR][/COLOR].

The best thing that most people can do, is have their pet spayed and neutered and LOVE them to pieces as the PET they deserve to be

I'm really surprised you would take that as a dig at all non-show breeders. Genetic defects aren't exactly a huge secret in the yorkie community. Liver shunts, LP, luxating patellas, pda's etc. should be a concern for everyone who breeds.

Originally Posted by Paisely10

IF I decide to breed her later on, I'll be looking for a nice male to BUY. Just saying ...

And I really resent that just because I rescue, that doesn't mean I can EVER consider breeding a dog of my own. That is very, very unfair.

Jeanie (and others), thanks again for everything!

I don't think it's unfair so much as a statement that it is not a very common duality in thinking; adding to the pet population versus getting homes for the millions upon millions of animals abandoned and destroyed each year.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

Thank you, Woogie. That is all very good advice. I won't rush to have her spayed. I'm a spay and neuter fanatic like most responsible pet owners, that is why I said 16 weeks. I will look for those books at Barnes and Noble.

My daughter bought an older sister. She is 3, same parents. She is 5.5 pounds. While my pup Paisley is already 4 pounds at just 13 weeks.

I have a long way to go and a lot to learn. Thank you all for the help.

Go to Amazon.com for those books, much better prices.

Remember on your journey, you will get so much advice.....your head will feel like it's going to explode. Eventually it will all come together.

You have a very young pup. The appropriate age to purchase a breeding dog/bitch is approximately 7 months of age, if not older. Again, I will reiterate caution, because there are so many variables with this too. Yorkies are one of the most difficult breeds to breed.....it's not like in Poodles, German Sheppards, Dobies.....you breed pheno type to pheno type and whalla....you know what the pups are going to be......

[Paisley10]

I just find it a bit offensive coming from a select group such as a pure breed dog message board to tell me that I'm the one that needs to worry about the pet population. I don't see why something like that would even be thrown in my face on a site like this (as an insult mind you). How many here take in strays and throw aways? What does me rescuing and saving the lives of throw away dogs have to do with me considering to breed my little female yorkie??

I believe I should rethink my participation here. I've even recommended this site to 2 other people. My daughter and a friend.

If anything, I am leaving here more confused than when I started.

Belittling and hand slapping is no way to treat new inquiring members. I am the type that would have stuck around and given back to the community in any way that I could have. However, I understand that sometimes the internet, being anonymous, is an outlet for superiority complex.

I'll buy some books.

Take care!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

I just find it a bit offensive coming from a select group such as a pure breed dog message board to tell me that I'm the one that needs to worry about the pet population. I don't see why something like that would even be thrown in my face on a site like this (as an insult mind you). How many here take in strays and throw aways? What does me rescuing and saving the lives of throw away dogs have to do with me considering to breed my little female yorkie??

I believe I should rethink my participation here. I've even recommended this site to 2 other people. My daughter and a friend.

If anything, I am leaving here more confused than when I started.

Belittling and hand slapping is no way to treat new inquiring members. I am the type that would have stuck around and given back to the community in any way that I could have. However, I understand that sometimes the internet, being anonymous, is an outlet for superiority complex.

I'll buy some books.

Take care!

Yorkie talk is not exclusively a purebreed forum, we have lots of folks here with mixes of various kinds etc. There are members here who are heavily involved in rescue as well. Members who train, members who do agility, just all sorts of different kinds of folks, with different kinds of dogs.

Most here seem to be united by a passionate love of Yorkies, but also of dogs in general.

I'm sorry you have found your experience to be unsettling and disturbing.

[Rhetts_mama]

What you take as an insult, only you can decide.

As for how many take in strays and throw aways; quite a few of the members are either involved heavily in rescues, have rescued pets in our home (I personally have 3), donate time and money and products to rescues. Most here take the breeding of ANY animal, pure bred, mixed, dog, cat, etc, seriously and want to see ALL animals in loving homes rather than being abandoned and euthanized. I fail to see why a board dedicated to a particular breed should be exempt from also having people passionate and vocal about rescues.



Maybe you should check out the most recent thread:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...lp-needed.html

There are many more here:
Yorkie Rescues & New Homes Needed - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

[OwnedByJezebel]

Paisley 10: That was really a very difficult question, more difficult than you realized when you asked it. To a novice it may seem simple, but when you throw it out to experts, they see all of the complications and nuances of determining if a dog is worthy of breeding and, in turn, choosing breeding pairs. There is so much more to it than choosing a pretty male and a pretty female.

Maybe it would be like going on a forum for rockets and asking: "I want to build my first rocket. Will XXXX work as a rocket fuel?" Rocket scientists would probably start asking you all kinds of questions and wouldn't give you a "yes" or "no." What kind of rocket, how much does it weigh, how is it designed / constructed, rocket staging etc. It's not that XXX won't lift a rocket, it is just that the more you know, the more difficult it is to ignore all the details and nuances that go into determining the correct and best answer to the question. Nobody wants to lead you down the wrong path.

It is very difficult to take into consideration a dog's faults and all of the related dogs (ancestors, uncles, aunts, cousins, brothers, sister, etc) -- and it should be a dog with minimal faults that is very close to standard -- and trying to find a suitable mate, complete with their own faults (and their relatives faults) in an attempt to come up with offspring that are excellent examples of the breed. Choose the wrong pair without considering history/faults and there is no telling what could pop up in the offspring that you can't see just by looking at that beautiful male and beautiful female.

Now if you ask the same question of someone inexperienced (like me), the best is that I could say, "it is possible, but can't give you a probability of whether it will turn out to be yes or no." Even those that breed using the most strict criteria produce only a few (maybe 25%) that are worthy of the show ring or breeding. When it comes to back yard breeders that never take all the faults into account, they probably rarely ever produce a dog that meets the standard closely enough. Then you get into all the health testing ......

The only advice I will give you is that if you are going to spay your girl, wait longer than 16 weeks. Yorkies often have retained baby teeth that need to be pulled, and you won't know if this is the case until perhaps 6 or 7 months of age. Hopefully, they will all fall out on their own, but if they don't that will require putting her under anesthesia. If you hold off on her spay until then, you can get it all done at once and not have to take the risk of putting her under twice.

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Show dogs do not "prance" in the ring. Working the ring is a demonstration of temperament and extensive training, and physical structure and movement. Conformation is just as challenging as agility and obedience, in my humble pet owner opinion.

I do think show dogs prance around the ring and they are beautiful doing so.

[lock57]

I see the wolves have attacked Paisley10, leaving only the bones for the crows to pick at.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by lock57

I see the wolves have attacked Paisley10, leaving only the bones for the crows to pick at.

Where do you see that Paisley was attacked, all were giving sound advice.

Posts such as yours ignite a fire when totally unnecessary.

[JeanieK]

I really thought it was more of a torching than an attack.

[Micah my love]

Jeanne you never cease to amaze me

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Where do you see that Paisley was attacked, all were giving sound advice.

Posts such as yours ignite a fire when totally unnecessary.

Although, lock57, as a wanna be yorkie breeder might have that perception. They often do not like the advice or answer given, and take it as insensitive, attacking and/or rude, when told they shouldn't breed either a specific dog or at all.

[lock57]

I'm new on here, just an observation. A more gentle,kinder approach would have been better. Don't think you will be seeing Pailey10 again.

[horsnaround]

I am new to the site as well and I think some of the comments have been rude when she is just asking a question give her your idea's. At least she loves her dog enough to ask questions. Others just breed and never ask anyone. She is trying to educate herself on it. I am a dog lover have three yorkies breed for pets. And yes also have a big dog i adopted from the pound. So don't be casting stones unless you are all so perfect that you can. I think you are going about it the right way Paisly and I hope you stay because there is lots of good information on this site. Use your best judgement and you will do fine. ok i am done sorry i just felt like she was being attacked way to much.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by lock57

I see the wolves have attacked Paisley10, leaving only the bones for the crows to pick at.

What is it with some of you? Do you think this site is some sort of vending machine where you can just press a few keys and get exactly what you think you want? Put your quarters back in your pocket....there's no coin slot in your monitor.

Paisley got people's opinions...that's why they call this a public forum. She's welcome to come back and ask questions and she'll get...surprise!!...more opinions.

I have no earthly idea why you feel the need to throw your carcass on the pile.

SOS/DD