Yorkie weight and breeding.

[Woogie Man]

While a highly sought after stud can have a big impact on the breed, the chances of it spreading disease like wildfire is pretty remote. Word does get around and the demand for a stud that was producing sick pups would go down really fast.

Now, on the other hand, a miller with a stud and 20+ breeding bitches could produce a ton of sick pups and never give it a second thought.

For the OP's question, there is no pat answer. The simple answer is that it's not as simple as that. I don't think you'll get a true perspective by just asking single questions and expecting single answers. Try to look at the whole picture, get a good understanding of all the aspects of breeding. Then you have to apply it to the dogs you have or the dogs you are seeking. While there are some general 'rules', breeding, like whelping, always has its unique circumstances to be considered.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

I need to read and catch up on these posts. I went to bed early last night.

I am researching my baby girl's background. I know of her lineage, but I need to get to the root of it. Such as her father. The owner wouldn't sell him for anything less than $5000.00. I need to study it and find out why he's worth so much. I plan to start digging into the histories. Then would come the testing, and I'd have a very knowledgeable person take a look at her composition, etc. Like I said i have a lot studying to do before I even consider breeding her. I am not interested in showing. I am only interested in getting a few puppies from her if she is a worthy breeder.

Thank you for answering my 1st question about her weight. The reason I asked this is because if she goes over 7 pounds, which she probably will, if that would completely disqualify her from the breed standard, then I wouldn't give it another thought and would get her spayed at 16 weeks.

I appreciate the straight forward answers. I need simple facts at this point. i am ONLY a beginner with Yorkies.

Good for you

Did she come from a show breeder? Is the $5000 dog from a show kennel? Is he a champion?

I hope you find someone to mentor you. It sounds like you want to do it right. Keep asking questions.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

I didn't feel bashed. I only felt overwhelmed and small. I just wanted a simple yes or no. Not a lecture. No hard feelings. No worries!

That's just it....there is no simple answer to your question, too many variables to consider to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

You started out asking would a bitch over 7lbs be breed worthy? And without initially telling us your breeding background, specifics about your girl, etc. you were given the answer your general type question warranted. Had you initially been more specific with your information, you would have received the more direct and detailed answers that you did get after you provided more information.

[Paisley10]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

While a highly sought after stud can have a big impact on the breed, the chances of it spreading disease like wildfire is pretty remote. Word does get around and the demand for a stud that was producing sick pups would go down really fast.

Now, on the other hand, a miller with a stud and 20+ breeding bitches could produce a ton of sick pups and never give it a second thought.

For the OP's question, there is no pat answer. The simple answer is that it's not as simple as that. I don't think you'll get a true perspective by just asking single questions and expecting single answers. Try to look at the whole picture, get a good understanding of all the aspects of breeding. Then you have to apply it to the dogs you have or the dogs you are seeking. While there are some general 'rules', breeding, like whelping, always has its unique circumstances to be considered.

I cannot take in that much info in such a short time. How did you start out? Did everyone NOT start out by taking it one step at a time? It'll be another year and a half at least before she is even bred. Please allow me to take this at my own pace without being so harsh on my simple questions.

[Paisley10]

How can people not understand my posts? Why does it have to be able rocket science to get to 1 single answer?? I CANNOT take in so much info at once! Allow me time to grow and learn! Please! I feel certain that all of you did not learn EVERYTHING in a single day!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

How can people not understand my posts? Why does it have to be able rocket science to get to 1 single answer?? I CANNOT take in so much info at once! Allow me time to grow and learn! Please! I feel certain that all of you did not learn EVERYTHING in a single day!

Just keep asking questions. There are a lot of knowledgable breeders on here that will answer them. ignore all other posts.

[Paisley10]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Good for you

Did she come from a show breeder? Is the $5000 dog from a show kennel? Is he a champion?

I hope you find someone to mentor you. It sounds like you want to do it right. Keep asking questions.

Thank you! I do plan to find out the answers to all of these questions. I bought this puppy from a local person because the owner suddenly died of a heart attack. They needed homes for their dogs, and they needed money fast. So I jumped on it, decided it was a win win situation. I get a new puppy and they get help with their need to find homes quickly, and get money quickly for their funeral expenses.

before now I never even considered a yorkie or breeding a yorkie.

I already had 5 dogs. A yellow lab, a pom and 3 rescue dogs.

So, I got this puppy. I am just at stage 1. I am asking questions. I don't even have a clue what I am going to do. I don't want lectures. It really is as simple as me asking a few questions.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I have written almost this same thing several times.

Those who claim to want to "better the breed" should be helping the new breeders get quality dogs to start out. they should be willing to mentor any new breeder not just the next generation of show breeders. they should want to get as many quality dogs out there as possible.If they are unwilling to do that, their interest is "bettering their own dogsf" not the entire breed.

Those who want to breed are going to breed regardless of what they are told. So why not mentor them and help them to evaluate dogs teach them what makes an ethical breeder, just like you would a potential show person.

IMO that would be showing that your interest is in the entire population of yorkies and not just those in the show ring.

They are doing that, but they are looking for quality people who aren't interested in breeding for profit. This is not an easy thing to do. People fool people all the time. As some have pointed out, there are YTCA members with questionable breeding practices, and it sure sounds like they no longer are breeding for the right reasons if they ever did, that's why the puppy buyer can't be too impatient when looking for their next dog. Don't worry if some breeder is breeding for the wrong reasons, just don't buy from them, but don't use that as an excuse to justify your own breeding program. Look at your own breeding programs and see what you can improve,

I think many breeders could improve their programs by buying an older dog for the purpose of breeding, who has been evaluated by a knowledgeable and trustworthy individual. This can be accomplished by showing, you get a wide range of knowledgeable people, and some of them are trustworthy, so you can learn the truth. The question you should be asking is "Should this dog be bred?" The answer should always be "No" unless he is evaluated by unbiased individuals who will not be making a profit based on the decision.

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

How can people not understand my posts? Why does it have to be able rocket science to get to 1 single answer?? I CANNOT take in so much info at once! Allow me time to grow and learn! Please! I feel certain that all of you did not learn EVERYTHING in a single day!

I felt like it was a single straight forward question. Just keep asking them, there are plenty of people here to support you.

[Paisley10]

Furthermore, I bought my pup on the day of this man's funeral whiuch was Tuesday, just a few days ago. I went to school with his kids. Initially I was trying to help a family that needed help. I am 44 years old. Not a child. So there you have it.

I very much appreciate the people who understand where I am coming from.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

I didn't feel bashed. I only felt overwhelmed and small. I just wanted a simple yes or no. Not a lecture. No hard feelings. No worries!

I'm truely sorry that your thread has taken the turn it has and not in anyway educational and most have clouded the whole purpose of your thread, I'm sorry if I have contributed to this in anyway. I know that you are interested in learning the ins and outs of breeding correctly.

There are basics that you will need to pursue in order for you to accomplish this.

To BJH.....thank you for inviting this person to the Roving National, it's a great place for the OP to begin her search for a good mentor. One that is proficient in the breed.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That isw all you got out of her entire post?

I believe you took the word too literally, she could have used to word "paraded" or "waltzed" it's just a figure of speach.

But I think all yorkies "prance"

Prancing is different than regular movement/ideal gaiting. If a Yorkie pranced in the ring, the judges likely would not put the dog up.

Prancing, parading, and waltzing are not an ideal gait. These terms are often used here to make light of showing, as if it is nothing more than a beauty pageant.

My post was meant to explain in a small way the importance of showing, which speaks to the entire point of kjcmsw's post: why show people do not offer up their dog's to non-show breeder to breed. Showing is the means of evaluating breeding stock, like it or not.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

I cannot take in that much info in such a short time. How did you start out? Did everyone NOT start out by taking it one step at a time? It'll be another year and a half at least before she is even bred. Please allow me to take this at my own pace without being so harsh on my simple questions.

I'm not being harsh at all. I do understand that everyone learns in their own way. My point is that nothing (such as a slightly over standard girl) is an isolated point. Also, health and temperament have much to do with this. Temperament is very much inherited. Also, did your girl come from a line of free whelpers? Regardless of her size, how about her structure? What are her faults? What are the faults of any prospective stud?

I will say that you are being premature in thinking that you can decide by 16 weeks whether your girl is a good breeding prospect. At that age, you still have very much a puppy and have yet to see the dog that she will become. She may be a little big for her age now but stop growing early or she may shoot on up to 10 + pounds. How about her siblings from past litters? How did they turn out? Keep an eye on her, track her development and always refer to the breed standard.

For reference, a couple of good books are Joan Gordon's The Complete Yorkshire Terrier and Ann Seranne's The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog. You have plenty of time to study before making any decision and these books are a very good starting point.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Paisley10

How can people not understand my posts? Why does it have to be able rocket science to get to 1 single answer?? I CANNOT take in so much info at once! Allow me time to grow and learn! Please! I feel certain that all of you did not learn EVERYTHING in a single day!

People understood your post just fine. It's just that they can't say positively yes or positively no. I understand your frustration, but what you see as a simple question really isn't that simple to those who breed Yorkies well. That's because no single aspect of what makes a Yorkie breed-able or not exists in isolation. And if you think things got muddled asking about weight, just wait till you get in to some of the even more confusing areas!

If it were me, I would hold off on getting your little girl spayed until you have a mentor who can help you evaluate her total package. Then you can make an informed decision.


ETA: Oops, Woogie was posting the same time that I was. And as usual, said it much better than I ever could.

[Paisley10]

Thank you, Woogie. That is all very good advice. I won't rush to have her spayed. I'm a spay and neuter fanatic like most responsible pet owners, that is why I said 16 weeks. I will look for those books at Barnes and Noble.

My daughter bought an older sister. She is 3, same parents. She is 5.5 pounds. While my pup Paisley is already 4 pounds at just 13 weeks.

I have a long way to go and a lot to learn. Thank you all for the help.