Yorkie weight and breeding.

[kristalmaja07]

I just read your post and was wondering. My boy is AKC n is 12.4 lbs and was suppose to be only 5-8lbs and remain black n brown. He is now blue (silver) n tan. My girl is 11.2 lbs n we rescued her and she is CKC purebred and awaiting her AKC status. My question is when I got my boy at 8 weeks he weight 3lbs, and my puppies now will be 6 weeks in 2 days and are half his size. According to my AKC papers his parents are black and brown. So was wondering how I can tell what size my pups are going to be at adults and if their color will change. I am new to all this and hopefully not attacked like some on here, just wanted to see. Thank you. I NEVER had a dog before my Kalix and was upset that I got scammed, but would not trade him for anything, n the girl is so perfect she is my lover. If I could keep one of their babies n they would stay 5-8lbs I would have my perfect family. If not it's okay I only mated them for family and friends, and really don't want to be scammed again, and who knows as a baby I couldn't tell, but I guess my 1st clue was if he was 3lbs at 8 weeks he was going to be big. My girls were 5-6oz at birth n my only boy was 4oz. Thank you.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by kristalmaja07

I just read your post and was wondering. My boy is AKC n is 12.4 lbs and was suppose to be only 5-8lbs and remain black n brown. He is now blue (silver) n tan. My girl is 11.2 lbs n we rescued her and she is CKC purebred and awaiting her AKC status. My question is when I got my boy at 8 weeks he weight 3lbs, and my puppies now will be 6 weeks in 2 days and are half his size. According to my AKC papers his parents are black and brown. So was wondering how I can tell what size my pups are going to be at adults and if their color will change. I am new to all this and hopefully not attacked like some on here, just wanted to see. Thank you. I NEVER had a dog before my Kalix and was upset that I got scammed, but would not trade him for anything, n the girl is so perfect she is my lover. If I could keep one of their babies n they would stay 5-8lbs I would have my perfect family. If not it's okay I only mated them for family and friends, and really don't want to be scammed again, and who knows as a baby I couldn't tell, but I guess my 1st clue was if he was 3lbs at 8 weeks he was going to be big. My girls were 5-6oz at birth n my only boy was 4oz. Thank you.

I understand your confusion. But, I'll try to explain a few things. I don't really think you you were scammed. You may have been told that your dog was going to be such and such at full growth. But, in the yorkie breed the only thing that you can guarantee is they'll make a liar out of you everytime.

It's been stated throughout this thread that breeding this breed is very difficult and much studying is necessary prior to breeding. After studying you must begin your breeding program with established well bred lines.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by kristalmaja07

I just read your post and was wondering. My boy is AKC n is 12.4 lbs and was suppose to be only 5-8lbs and remain black n brown. He is now blue (silver) n tan. My girl is 11.2 lbs n we rescued her and she is CKC purebred and awaiting her AKC status. My question is when I got my boy at 8 weeks he weight 3lbs, and my puppies now will be 6 weeks in 2 days and are half his size. According to my AKC papers his parents are black and brown. So was wondering how I can tell what size my pups are going to be at adults and if their color will change. I am new to all this and hopefully not attacked like some on here, just wanted to see. Thank you. I NEVER had a dog before my Kalix and was upset that I got scammed, but would not trade him for anything, n the girl is so perfect she is my lover. If I could keep one of their babies n they would stay 5-8lbs I would have my perfect family. If not it's okay I only mated them for family and friends, and really don't want to be scammed again, and who knows as a baby I couldn't tell, but I guess my 1st clue was if he was 3lbs at 8 weeks he was going to be big. My girls were 5-6oz at birth n my only boy was 4oz. Thank you.

Did you breed your rescue?

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

LOL
What a thing to strart an argument over. people must really be bored today.
Prance
Parade
walk
Trot
Skip
Glide.

I like the word prance too.

None of those words are interchangeable. They each have a distinct definition and connotation. This is not only a matter of correct terminology relative to dog showing and breeding, it is a matter of language and communication. We wouldn't have things like literature or advertising or political speechwriters if language were so imprecise.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I understand your confusion. But, I'll try to explain a few things. I don't really think you you were scammed. You may have been told that your dog was going to be such and such at full growth. But, in the yorkie breed the only thing that you can guarantee is they'll make a liar out of you everytime.

It's been stated throughout this thread that breeding this breed is very difficult and much studying is necessary prior to breeding. After studying you must begin your breeding program with established well bred lines.

Let me add that you purchased your pups way too young to determine whether or not they would be of breed quality, a breeding dog should not be purchased until at the very minimum of 7 months of age.

[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

True. But like in any field, there are certain words that mean specific things, and those words may not mean the same thing they do in the "outside" world. Knowing the proper terminology helps facilitate communication so that everyone is speaking about exactly the same thing.

I really don't understand why attempts at educating are met with such resistance here sometimes.

I thought the point of having a Breeders section and many others is to educate.

[FlDebra]

The OP asked a hypothetical question that no ethical, intelligent person could reply with ONLY a yes or no answer. I just read through the whole thread at once, & don’t see where anyone bashed or torched her. She accused others of being harsh with their response, when I saw a very civil response with well thought out information. Look at how the thread started. She asked a question, then got “miffed” when it was not answered after 11 minutes! Then when she was asked questions, she did not answer them at all!

The pup is only 13 weeks old; the OP has had her since the 12th of this month! She’s 4 pounds now but no one knows what size she will be. Will she wind up ounces over the standard and perfect in all other aspects? Will she be a couple of pounds over the standard? How about the parents, grandparents and all of the litters from each side? Are pups running large? Medium? Small? Just sticking to the one issue of size -- it is not just the dam’s size that is important in breeding. My own opinion, is to breed within standard. If she is a few ounces over and everything else looked great, I could understand breeding her. 2 pounds over, it would not matter what else entailed, I would not breed her. JMO.

But no one knows much about this pup. Searching other threads, I did find where she said the sire was petite, but the dam was “larger.“ If the dam was over standard, and this puppy turns out over standard, I would not breed her. I saw where the OP said she bought Paisley “from a friend that raises them” and then in this thread she says, “I bought this puppy from a local person because the owner suddenly died of a heart attack. They needed homes for their dogs, and they needed money fast. So I jumped on it, decided it was a win win situation. I get a new puppy and they get help with their need to find homes quickly, and get money quickly for their funeral expenses.*“ Whichever one it was, I have to say that it would be a freaking miracle if a breeding quality pup was obtained under the circumstances described. Just saying…..

Breeding dogs don't usually just land in your lap like that. Normally, you go look at scores and scores of puppies after researching the breeders. You love every puppy you see, and think they all would make adorable pets, but you keep looking for the one that has the "look." You look not just at the pups, but you are carefully evaluating the parents, and littermates, asking about grown pups from same matings. You are looking at their bite, their head shape, their coat (silky & straight). You check their structure, checking joints, topline, etc... I could go on. (BTW -- MOST of what I learned to check for when I bought mine, I learned from the exhibitor/breeders right here on YT. Not a one of them ever turned me away or refused to share their extensive knowledge and experience with me. They helped me every time I asked and sometimes when I didn't know enough to ask. They didn’t always give me the answer I wanted, but I realized I could count on them to give me the RIGHT answer. Anyone can tell you what you want to hear -- it takes someone who cares & is willing to risk the wrath to tell it like you need to hear it. They knew full-well I was not showing and had no intentions of showing at that time. Still, they did not hold back their help. They were generous with their mentoring!! They saved my last litter of pups. So, I am not sure why anyone would think they are not up for helping everyone.)

Even after using as much selective process as you feel possible, you are still buying a puppy and so many things can change between 13 weeks and adulthood when you could be seriously considering them for breeding. No one has to learn it all in one day but I don’t think anyone has tried to overwhelm in this thread. Neither has anyone tried to talk down or belittle the OP. They have tried to get her to realize it is much too early to be considering this puppy for breeding. I used to teach stress management and we quoted Hans Selye a lot. He thought there were positive & negative stressors but most were actually NEUTRAL until by our own THINKING, we turned then into a positive or negative stressors. Seems like that concept is working in this thread where people are taking NEUTRAL comments and by THEIR OWN THINKING, turning them into NEGATIVES. In this case I would say your PERCEPTIONS are NOT always your reality, no matter how hard you try.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It is not about chosing a word we like to describe a dog's movement. Whether or not you like the word Prance, it is incorrect in how a yorkie should move. Hence the importance of attending shows and learning the structure of a dog. Otherwise you'll continue breeding incorrect movement yorkies that prance; you don't want to see them bounce. If you do the structure of the dog is incorrect.

I think they strut.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Maximo

None of those words are interchangeable. They each have a distinct definition and connotation. This is not only a matter of correct terminology relative to dog showing and breeding, it is a matter of language and communication. We wouldn't have things like literature or advertising or political speechwriters if language were so imprecise.

I've even seen a few of them run in the ring.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by kristalmaja07

My Yorkie girl is 11.2 lbs. My boy is 12.4 lbs. When I purchased my boy from the Breeder I asked a million and one questions and did my research and still got scammed. I wanted a black n brown yorkie to be about 5lbs. My girl just gave birth to a litter on Dec 7 n Dec 8. She had to have a c-section as one was in the wrong position n died blocking the other 2 from coming down. I call my vet for every small thing and I have learned the vet I use doesn't care. I can say I found a great and caring vet and the compassion they have for all animals is amazing. So right now we have 4 puppies which will be 6 weeks on Tuesday n Wednesday. So when speaking to my vet about the breeding she said to have x-rays n ultra sounds done to check position and sizes and then she could give an estimate of birth. I will NOT be breeding again, I didn't make any money it cost me money due to all the issues with her calcium and the baby dying. So I would find a good vet and talk it over and make sure you have buyer before hand as sometimes they can be hard to get rid of since you are not a breeder. I had family and friends that loved mine and that is the only reason we breed them at all. Good Luck to you.

Originally Posted by kristalmaja07

I just read your post and was wondering. My boy is AKC n is 12.4 lbs and was suppose to be only 5-8lbs and remain black n brown. He is now blue (silver) n tan. My girl is 11.2 lbs n we rescued her and she is CKC purebred and awaiting her AKC status. My question is when I got my boy at 8 weeks he weight 3lbs, and my puppies now will be 6 weeks in 2 days and are half his size. According to my AKC papers his parents are black and brown. So was wondering how I can tell what size my pups are going to be at adults and if their color will change. I am new to all this and hopefully not attacked like some on here, just wanted to see. Thank you. I NEVER had a dog before my Kalix and was upset that I got scammed, but would not trade him for anything, n the girl is so perfect she is my lover. If I could keep one of their babies n they would stay 5-8lbs I would have my perfect family. If not it's okay I only mated them for family and friends, and really don't want to be scammed again, and who knows as a baby I couldn't tell, but I guess my 1st clue was if he was 3lbs at 8 weeks he was going to be big. My girls were 5-6oz at birth n my only boy was 4oz. Thank you.

First of all I want to commend you for being brave enough to tell your tragic story so that others will not make such a mistake themselves. Sometimes it is hard to stand up and say you made a mistake. I know it was difficult having to do a C-section and losing a pup but it could have been MUCH worse. You could have lost your momma dog and that is very difficult to deal with.

If you have been doing research, you should understand that the yorkie standard is for their coat to be BLUE and Tan as adults. They can also be black and gold, or any combination of those 4 colors, but a dark steel blue is what you want the initial black hair on the yorkie to turn to as the dog matures. That is what we avidly await, with great excitement! You don't want it to fade completely to silver or light grey, instead it should be a gun metal steely blue color. The tan (maybe what you are calling brown -- should be a rich color but not red). Your AKC papers should not say black & brown. The choices listed are black & tan; black & gold; blue & tan; blue & gold and then there is another code for sending in pictures of off color dogs. You said one of the dogs is CKC, awaiting AKC papers? How is that? Is the CKC Canadian or Continental Kennel Club?

You didn't ask, but unlike the OP your situation does warrant a direct answer -- these two dogs SHOULD NOT have been bred. As you found out the hard way, it was dangerous for the dam and the puppies. Another problem when someone breeds for family & friends, is that they often give them FULL registration. Then some of those puppies turn out in standard. But those LARGE sized genetics come back and bite you -- suddenly a little 5 pound yorkie girl is trying to whelp a litter of monster pups that are WAY too BIG for her. She may be ripped, torn, and she may die. Suddenly family & friends are asking how their precious LITTLE dog could have had these big pups that tragically took her life.

I am glad that you made the wise decision to not breed them again. You decided to put their welfare first! Wish all did that. It is difficult to say how large your puppies will be as adults. A guesstimate chart is on this page: Yorkshire Terrier - Yorkie Puppy Growth/Weight Chart - watch us grow But it is just an educated guess. They can fool you. Some have late growth surges and others stop growing earlier than usual. Just like the changing of hair color, size is another great yorkie mystery that you have to sort of wait & see. Good luck with your pups!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I think they strut.

Now you know the answer to your question why experienced breeders do not teach just anyone. Some are not willing to learn .

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It is not about chosing a word we like to describe a dog's movement. Whether or not you like the word Prance, it is incorrect in how a yorkie should move. Hence the importance of attending shows and learning the structure of a dog. Otherwise you'll continue breeding incorrect movement yorkies that prance; you don't want to see them bounce. If you do the structure of the dog is incorrect.

I will work harder on choosing the correct terminology. Like I've always said, I do not show but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate all that goes into it and I certainly admire the beautiful dogs in the ring. To me, the word prance just seemed so apt to describe their beautiful way around the ring. Because I am trying to learn more to better my dogs I will study more on the show aspect despite the fact I will never be able to show (most likely). My response regarding breeding "non-show" dogs still stands though.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I thought the point of having a Breeders section and many others is to educate.

Before you can educate, you have to communicate and if the people are being scared off, you're not communicating.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I will work harder on choosing the correct terminology. Like I've always said, I do not show but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate all that goes into it and I certainly admire the beautiful dogs in the ring. To me, the word prance just seemed so apt to describe their beautiful way around the ring. Because I am trying to learn more to better my dogs I will study more on the show aspect despite the fact I will never be able to show (most likely). My response regarding breeding "non-show" dogs still stands though.

Understanding that not all are destined for the show ring. However, if one is willing to study and learn to breed to improve the breed that is the most important thing.

And I do understand your use of the word prance is just your preception of how you visualize a yorkie gaits around the ring.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

...JMHO put if you don't have the answer to the questions stay off the thread....

Originally Posted by JeanieK

LOL
What a thing to strart an argument over. people must really be bored today.
Prance
Parade
walk
Trot
Skip
Glide.

I like the word prance too.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I think they strut.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I've even seen a few of them run in the ring.

Jeanie -- I think even YOU can see that this is very immature and not adding to the thread or anything constructive for the forum at all. You try to tell people to do things you are unwilling or unable to do yourself. Speak of fanning the fire or pouring gasoline! Come on, this forum deserves better.