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01-14-2011, 05:43 PM | #31 |
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| A champion stud has the potential to sire 100's to even 1000 of pups in his lifetime because of his popularity. Where as the stud of a hobby breeder would be much less. |
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01-14-2011, 05:49 PM | #32 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Why should the number matter? Even one sick pup is too many. Nor am I convinced that a hobby breeder would produce less.
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01-14-2011, 06:20 PM | #33 | |
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I know some very famous exhibitor breeders that place their pet pups for $1,000.00. No differenciating from male or female and these are from Champion Sired and Champion Dam. Champions they Championed. But, then again their purpose to find the right homes for pups and I do know they've at placed not sold them, But, that's neither here nor there. This person wants to know about breeding. No one told her she had show but, mentioned the Roving was going to be in her area and invited her to attend.
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01-14-2011, 06:28 PM | #34 | |
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Now, there are a few dogs out there that have put their stamp on many a wonderful line; Pastoral Johnnie handsome for one sired 60 Champions in the US alone.....however, he was only allowed to stud quality bitches owned by famous reputable breeders. Durrer's Tin Whistle is another......you find him in quite a few famous lines. Both of these boys did nothing to hurt the breed, but enhance it.
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01-14-2011, 06:36 PM | #35 | |
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Great post Mary, I think many inexperienced breeders think that breeding their bitch to a winning stud will automatically improve their lines. Breeders who pass around their studs to anyone willing to pay the stud fee are no better than breeders whose primary purpose of breeding is making money. I know some breeders get angry when someone won't allow their stud to mate with their dogs, but this is a serious thing to the responsible breeder, and the results will affect the reputation of the stud's owner, as it should.
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01-14-2011, 06:40 PM | #36 | |
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01-14-2011, 08:11 PM | #37 | |
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I did not say "all" show breeders or "most" show breeders, or even "many" show breeders. But the popularity of a champion stud can produce 1000 or more pups in his lifetime, and if that dog happens to carry a bad gene, it will spread like wildfire. TLC indicated that this would be done by people trying to make a fast buck where realistically it is more likely that a champion dog would spread a bad gene much more widely than a pet owner that just wants a litter of pups. | ||
01-14-2011, 08:39 PM | #39 | ||
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Again my comment was made to this post. Which indicated that only hobby breeders or onetime pet breeders would spread a bad gene. Quote:
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01-14-2011, 08:41 PM | #40 | |
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No one is trying to make an issue out of anything, I thought it would be helpful for you to know that this type of breeder who studs her dog out like this is not admired or looked upon favorably by reputable breeders. You are quite fast to pick out everything that bad show breeders do, but that's the point, they are bad breeders who show. Whether you show or not studding your dog out like this is a sign of a bad breeder.
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01-14-2011, 08:48 PM | #41 | |
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I do know that there are show breeders who will breed a female that is over 7 pounds if she has other show qualities, in hopes of getting a puppy that has her other qualities but is smaller. There is a lot more to breeding than there appears to be. The best thing to do is to find a good breeder to mentor you. And if you want to get into showing, go to shows and meet people and ask questions. | |
01-14-2011, 09:04 PM | #42 | |
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Don't be so quick to look for negative. I made a valid point. the potential is much greater for a champion stud dog to spread his genes, both good and bad, far and wide, before anyone even knows there is a bad gene. | |
01-14-2011, 09:09 PM | #43 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | [QUOTE=JeanieK;3394323]Well 1000 pups carrying that gene can produce many thousand more pups. With small hobby breeders, and one time pet breeders, most of those offspring are sold as pets. So although there might be a few dogs produced that carry the gene it will not spread as ffar and wide as a champion dog would. Again my comment was made to this post. Which indicated that only hobby breeders or onetime pet breeders would spread a bad gene. QUOTE] But it's an invalid assumption to make that all 1000 (and I still think that number is greatly exaggerated) pups would be breed worthy and then go on to breed even more sick pups. Those that were not considered breed or show worthy would be placed in pet homes on spay/neuter contracts. And to be very honest, I see a lot more hobby/backyard breeders who breed and sell without spay neuter contracts on their pups, so the potential for bad genes being spread is exponential. Either no breeding dog needs to be tested or they all do.
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01-14-2011, 09:15 PM | #44 | |
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The YTCA is a joke to all of us non members, they hide in their itty bitty forum and talk about us common folks It seems the YTCA has no um rules as long as you can prove your innocent. How freaking sad | |
01-14-2011, 09:30 PM | #45 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Here comes the YTCA bashing again... This is getting predictable. What thread number will this make this week?
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