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I would think people purporting to improve the breed would want to stud their dogs out to those just starting out (breeding). Keeping the dog within a tight circle doesn't improve the breed overall, it just keeps a small circle of dogs within standard. People are going to breed their dogs whether people like it or not. There are many exceptional Yorkies (exceptional in health, looks, standard) that aren't owned by "famous" breeders. These dogs are also the ones that should be bred (keeping with the 'improve the breed' talk). Not everyone wants to show, has the time, etc., etc...the fact that their dog hasn't pranced around a show ring does not make that dog substandard but apparently it leaves those bitch owners left only to breed to a like male, which may or may not be substandard (by a lot or a little). It seems to me I hear (read) over and over again here that show breeders won't stud their dogs out to the non-show breeder. Are these breeders - again, purporting their desire to "improve the breed" - actually taking the time to evaluate these dogs before saying no or is no the pat response when the hear the dog has never been shown? If the latter is correct it seems mighty contradictory to me.
Not everyone wants to adopt a dog either. I do realize often times a quality dog is given up for people's personal reasons, but the average dog is given up because it is anti-social, sickly, vicious, etc (and no, it's not always the fault of the owner, like people, there are sometimes just bad dogs out there). People shouldn't be made to feel bad because they don't want to take on a dog that has problems (regardless of fault), telling someone who is thinking about breeding and trying to educate themselves should not be told to go adopt a dog, as clearly that's not what they want. Just seems silly to me, if someone isn't asking "where can I adopt a dog?" then why suggest something completely off the mark of the question.
The response that yes, one could breed a dog over 7 pounds if it's genetics/history/etc is taken into consider is an appropriate response.
I don't get it that's all. If someone asked, "do you like the color blue" and someone responds "Bananas are good to eat" --- people are left scratching their head...huh?

[quote=Rhetts_mama;3394356]I don't think too many people are lining up to breed their girls to a non champion stud.

The potential is much greater with a champion dog. And no assumption was made that all of those pups would be breedworthy, but certainly some of them would. Even if it was only 2% that would then put 20 more dogs out there and so on. The numbers with a non show dog would be much less.

But non if this is answering the OPs question.

Show dogs do not "prance" in the ring. Working the ring is a demonstration of temperament and extensive training, and physical structure and movement. Conformation is just as challenging as agility and obedience, in my humble pet owner opinion.

I really hope you get your question answered instead of being bashed for asking it. I personally believe the females should be big. I believe standard is up to 7 lbs, but I am not sure. I do know people thave have bred a 8 or 9 lb female with a 4 lb stud and they had puppies that grew to standard size. Then you have some that do that and end up with dogs way off standard, for instance I have a boy 14 lbs. I cant imagine someone breeding a female that size as it is far from standard. Guess it depends on just how big the female is and if you are following, breeding to standard. I would rather see someone breed an 8 lb female over a 4 lb female....that is just scary!

My boys, full brothers, different litters, are the product of a bitch who weighs 8 pounds and the sire weighs 6 pounds, 2 ounces.

While my two boys are on the larger end of the scale, 7 and 8 pounds, all of their littermates are much smaller.

As I have read here many times, it is all about knowing your lines backwards and forwards.

I don't see where the OP was bashed at all. It just seems that they wanted a straight "yes or no" answer and was told that it isn't that simple. But then, nothing about breeding is. I absolutely agree with you on the last part.

Then you evidently haven't checked out the various websites or newspaper adds for BYB's lately. The number of badly bred, sick dogs out there far out number the Championed dogs being studded out. And therefore, the overall number of sick dogs from the non-show breeders far exceeds the ones coming from the show breeders. But it goes back to the statement I made earlier: if you are truly concerned with the health of the Yorkie breed, either ALL breeding dogs need to be tested or none of them do. Which is it?

True, bashed wasnt the right word. I apologize. Just seems its hard to get a question answered around here sometimes. LOL :p

I need to read and catch up on these posts. I went to bed early last night.

I am researching my baby girl's background. I know of her lineage, but I need to get to the root of it. Such as her father. The owner wouldn't sell him for anything less than $5000.00. I need to study it and find out why he's worth so much. I plan to start digging into the histories. Then would come the testing, and I'd have a very knowledgeable person take a look at her composition, etc. Like I said i have a lot studying to do before I even consider breeding her. I am not interested in showing. I am only interested in getting a few puppies from her if she is a worthy breeder.

Thank you for answering my 1st question about her weight. The reason I asked this is because if she goes over 7 pounds, which she probably will, if that would completely disqualify her from the breed standard, then I wouldn't give it another thought and would get her spayed at 16 weeks.

I appreciate the straight forward answers. I need simple facts at this point. i am ONLY a beginner with Yorkies.

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I have written almost this same thing several times.

Those who claim to want to "better the breed" should be helping the new breeders get quality dogs to start out. they should be willing to mentor any new breeder not just the next generation of show breeders. they should want to get as many quality dogs out there as possible.

If they are unwilling to do that, their interest is "bettering their own dogsf" not the entire breed.

Those who want to breed are going to breed regardless of what they are told. So why not mentor them and help them to evaluate dogs teach them what makes an ethical breeder, just like you would a potential show person.

IMO that would be showing that your interest is in the entire population of yorkies and not just those in the show ring.

I didn't feel bashed. I only felt overwhelmed and small. I just wanted a simple yes or no. Not a lecture. No hard feelings. No worries!

I agree that all should be.

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That isw all you got out of her entire post? :rolleyes:

I believe you took the word too literally, she could have used to word "paraded" or "waltzed" it's just a figure of speach.

But I think all yorkies "prance"