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BFar 01-16-2011 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3394481)
Show dogs do not "prance" in the ring. Working the ring is a demonstration of temperament and extensive training, and physical structure and movement. Conformation is just as challenging as agility and obedience, in my humble pet owner opinion.
In my humble exhibitor opinion, I agree with you 100%.

I guess to a casual observer, looking at the Yorkies prancing in the ring looks like a cakewalk. To anyone who would say that, try it yourself and see if you can win. Then tell me it's a small feat to finish a dog.

JeanieK 01-16-2011 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3395625)
:thumbup:

Although, lock57, as a wanna be yorkie breeder might have that perception. They often do not like the advice or answer given, and take it as insensitive, attacking and/or rude, when told they shouldn't breed either a specific dog or at all.
Keep fanning that flame :D

jencar98 01-16-2011 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3395655)
What is it with some of you? Do you think this site is some sort of vending machine where you can just press a few keys and get exactly what you think you want? Put your quarters back in your pocket....there's no coin slot in your monitor.

Paisley got people's opinions...that's why they call this a public forum. She's welcome to come back and ask questions and she'll get...surprise!!...more opinions.

I have no earthly idea why you feel the need to throw your carcass on the pile. :rolleyes:

SOS/DD
You mean for $5 I don't get the answers I want to hear...how much does that cost?!?:p

Brooklynn 01-16-2011 08:14 AM
Differences of opinion were given, that's the beauty of human nature we all have one :) Take the opinion that suits you and ignore the rest. Easy as that!
If it's not what you want to hear as seen in this thread there will be one that will suit your needs perfectly :)

Donna

Woogie Man 01-16-2011 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3395680)
You mean for $5 I don't get the answers I want to hear...how much does that cost?!?:p
That would be $20....but for that you get it with a nice sugar glaze....really a great deal!! :D

kjcmsw 01-16-2011 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BFar (Post 3395663)
In my humble exhibitor opinion, I agree with you 100%.

I guess to a casual observer, looking at the Yorkies prancing in the ring looks like a cakewalk. To anyone who would say that, try it yourself and see if you can win. Then tell me it's a small feat to finish a dog.

I never said it was easy to win, I do understand the dedication to takes to finish a dog; however, that doesn't make the dog that doesn't finish (or is not even shown to begin with) automatically substandard or not breed worthy. And I consider the word 'prance' complimentary. A beautiful dog 'prancing' around the ring, that's how I envision it - whether they walk, prance, strut, waltz, trot, run, whatever descriptive word one wants to use - go ahead pick one - that would probably be harder to do here and please everyone than actually showing a dog ---

Brooklynn 01-16-2011 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3395695)
I never said it was easy to win, I do understand the dedication to takes to finish a dog; however, that doesn't make the dog that doesn't finish (or is not even shown to begin with) automatically substandard or not breed worthy. And I consider the word 'prance' complimentary. A beautiful dog 'prancing' around the ring, that's how I envision it - whether they walk, prance, strut, waltz, trot, run, whatever descriptive word one wants to use - go ahead pick one - that would probably be harder to do here and please everyone than actually showing a dog ---
the word that would describe the perfect gait in the ring is "glide" "flow" "fluid" movement not strut, prance, run, or waltz :) I hope those words make more sense :)

Donna

Ringo1 01-16-2011 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3395655)
What is it with some of you? Do you think this site is some sort of vending machine where you can just press a few keys and get exactly what you think you want? Put your quarters back in your pocket....there's no coin slot in your monitor.

Paisley got people's opinions...that's why they call this a public forum. She's welcome to come back and ask questions and she'll get...surprise!!...more opinions.

I have no earthly idea why you feel the need to throw your carcass on the pile. :rolleyes:

SOS/DD
Just reading through the thread; I have to agree with this statement. I didn't see any bashing or 'torching' . . but none of the answers seemed to please the OP. They were too long; or caused her confusion; or condescending; or or . . . . . . whatever.

Guess I just threw my carcass on the pile :)

BFar 01-16-2011 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Paisley10 (Post 3395013)
I just find it a bit offensive coming from a select group such as a pure breed dog message board to tell me that I'm the one that needs to worry about the pet population. I don't see why something like that would even be thrown in my face on a site like this (as an insult mind you). How many here take in strays and throw aways? What does me rescuing and saving the lives of throw away dogs have to do with me considering to breed my little female yorkie??

I believe I should rethink my participation here. I've even recommended this site to 2 other people. My daughter and a friend. :(

If anything, I am leaving here more confused than when I started.

Belittling and hand slapping is no way to treat new inquiring members. I am the type that would have stuck around and given back to the community in any way that I could have. However, I understand that sometimes the internet, being anonymous, is an outlet for superiority complex.

I'll buy some books.

Take care!
It does take a thick skin to hang around here. It is my opinion that here you have your backyard breeders piping in, your show breeders and your anti-show breeders, your anti-backyard breeders and those that seem to against almost any kind of breeding. So with your one simple question you got a sampling of everybody's opinions and the usual arguing among them. Before you go away and don't come back, however, keep in mind that if you can figure out where members are coming from you can realize that their opinion might not pertain to your goals and if they do not, you can just ignore them and get some really good advice. I will say that if you really want to breed your Yorkie, the question is for what goal? It is very exciting to be involved in Yorkie breeding/exhibiting. If that is something you might be interested in then you could get some good advice on here rather than meandering around on your own.

Can you breed a bitch over 7 pounds and get good standard sized puppies? Yes but I need to qualify that answer with much research would need to be done first to see if it is probable.

Good luck!

kjcmsw 01-16-2011 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3395703)
the word that would describe the perfect gait in the ring is "glide" "flow" "fluid" movement not strut, prance, run, or waltz :) I hope those words make more sense :)

Donna
Okay, just because someone's dog hasn't 'glided' across the show ring doesn't make it not breed worthy. I'm sure that word has now got my point across. Improve the breed - the criteria should be to breed to breed worthy dogs, not limit oneself (thus the breed) to breeding only to dogs that have been shown. Especially those breeders that claim to have been breeding and showing for years, they know whether or dog is breed worthy just as much as any show judge and if they don't then maybe they shouldn't be breeding as they are in no position to "improve the breed".

Personally, still like the word prance...watch them in shows, those little heads so proud and happy (well, some at least, some look like abused circus dogs forced to perform) but from now I on I will refrain from using prance and use glide.

BFar 01-16-2011 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3395695)
I never said it was easy to win, I do understand the dedication to takes to finish a dog; however, that doesn't make the dog that doesn't finish (or is not even shown to begin with) automatically substandard or not breed worthy. And I consider the word 'prance' complimentary. A beautiful dog 'prancing' around the ring, that's how I envision it - whether they walk, prance, strut, waltz, trot, run, whatever descriptive word one wants to use - go ahead pick one - that would probably be harder to do here and please everyone than actually showing a dog ---
Hi Kendra. I know what you are trying to say. Of course a ch. title does not change the genes of a dog but it does do is show that dog to other exhibitors. Finishing him gives him the stamp of approval from AKC judges that he is breed worthy. These judges are experts. If a breeder wants to go forward and have the possibility of tapping into the genes they might lust after, they have a lot better chance of that happening if prove their dogs in the ring. Just my observations.

horsnaround 01-16-2011 08:48 AM
Nicely put BFar I have found so much good information on this site it out ways everything negative. Every one that post believes that their way is the best. One thing is for sure lots of dogs lovers belong to this site

BFar 01-16-2011 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by horsnaround (Post 3395740)
Nicely put BFar I have found so much good information on this site it out ways everything negative. Every one that post believes that their way is the best. One thing is for sure lots of dogs lovers belong to this site
:thumbup::thumbup:

And very passionate about them too. I have definitely found that Yorkies and passion go together.

Sugar's Mom 01-16-2011 08:55 AM
I agree with Donna. GOOD, well trained show dogs do not prance, they appear to glide around the ring with heads held high and that beautiful long coat just flowing. if they look to be prancing to you, they have a bouncy gait and most judges do not like that.

Mardelin 01-16-2011 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by horsnaround (Post 3395639)
I am new to the site as well and I think some of the comments have been rude when she is just asking a question give her your idea's. At least she loves her dog enough to ask questions. Others just breed and never ask anyone. She is trying to educate herself on it. I am a dog lover have three yorkies breed for pets. And yes also have a big dog i adopted from the pound. So don't be casting stones unless you are all so perfect that you can. I think you are going about it the right way Paisly and I hope you stay because there is lots of good information on this site. Use your best judgement and you will do fine. ok i am done sorry i just felt like she was being attacked way to much.
There were no rude comments toward the OP. Comments were made that her questions were unabled to be answered simplictically.

This is a public forum and discussions do get heated, lots of opinions, feelings, and personalities. What you will find is the information that is of value is not sugar coated. Breeding is a serious endevor, seriousness is required, dog's lives are at stake....

Many have taken time to answer the OP. In my opinion, YT is a place you can get basic information, but not the end all that meets all. The rest is up to the individual to either take the information and go forth, or look for excuses, because the information is not what one wants to hear. If that's the case then continue to ask questions else where. You can always get the answers you want if you ask the right people????


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